Does anyone know of a ecstacy alternative, but not herbal ecstacy. I'm looking for something that gives the same kind of effect, ie. empathogen/entactogen. However, I'm not looking to try any more tryptamines. I've tried all of those. Any other suggestions?

have you tried MDA?

Yes, I've tried all of the MDxx. Any other suggestions?

4-methylaminorex

I thought about that, but my connections aren't that good. I have a hard time finding any MDxx substances, let alone Ice.

other than MD** drugs and tryptamines, there isnt much that fits the bill. the best MDMA alternative is more MDMA

What about piperazines? What about all the other phenethylamines? ibogamine?

And since when are tryptamines empathenogenic?

well, not in the strictest sense, no, but really other than MDA, MDMA, MDE etc.....nothing really is like ecstasy. i did forget the piperazines, and when i said tryptamines i should have clarified as i really only meant 5-Meo-DIPT (Foxy). high dose MDMA does have hallucinogenic effects, which led to my comparison. really though, no 2 drugs are the same, which is why i love drugs so.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal11.shtml

Tryed all the tryptamines have you?

Alright, it is true I haven't taken all of the tryptamines. However I have tried AMT, 5-MeO-AMT, 5-MeO-DIPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 4-Acetoxy-DET. Oh well....guess I'll just have to stick with MDxx. Although I've gotten some good ideas on what to try in the future. Thanx for all of the input.

ive heard mesculain was somewhat like an E feeling...

well some E has mesc in it =P

Yes mescaline does have amphetamine/hallucinogenic properties and you should look for the San Pedro cactus also latin species name Trichocereus Pachanoi.You can find them in some nurseries.