so i asked in some long forgotten, unrelated post: what is the reason that the vicks inhaler methamphetamine synth method would not work? technical info would be nice
i personally have thought that it could be related to some moron confusing the vicks' active ingredient levmetamfetamine with methamphetamine, but this could be really fucking wrong. i dont know; so i ask.
and i would prefer that this string not be filled with stupidass posts, so if more *intelligent* people could assist me (i.e.-acid, mad, tryp, etc.) in the chemical matters of it, everything would be just peachy!

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Having never tried the actual synth (which i'm proud of), i can't speak in too much detail...but..

Basically, i think the synth works. By "works", i mean you're able to extract the l-isomer of meth. However, this is relatively shitty in comparison to the d isomer, hence, people don't do it.

That's just my understanding of it. I might be wrong, probably am. Corrections nad more detail would be great guys...thanks.

Back in the forties and stuff there used to be benzadrine (amphetamine) inhalers. You could crack them open and eat the paper strip inside. Then they switched them because of rescheduling of substances, abuse, whatever. I believe(I've just heard, no hard records) they went to l-meth, which has bronchodialation properties but is not centrally active. For reasons unknown(some time ago) this was then changed to simple mentholated inhalers we get nowadays that contain no other actives.

So unless you lived in the forties and were looking for speed you could never get actives from vicks inhalers.

hmm the hcl salts in adderall are 1/2 l-amph, 1/2 d-amph. levoamphetamine is just less fun i was brought up believing

what got my attention more was the similarity in the spelling of methamphetamine and metamfetamine. drop an h, change a ph to an f and there you go. is that in any way significant chemically? or does it just confuse people and encourage semi-stupid people to be really stupid people and thats it. or what?

but the historical info still rocks. i wish i were me in the forties! wow!

no i dont. what the hell am i talking about?

Vicks inhalers dont' work anymore because in 1999 the company changed the active ingredient from benzedrene(amphetamine) to camphor, a chemical useless in the production of methamphetamine

Is that so? You won't even be able to extract levoamphetamine from Vicks anymore?

It seemed like a lot of fucking hassle anyway when i read the synth.

In Canada, the only stuff in the vicks inhalers is the plastic and cotton it's made of, along with that camphor. At least that's all it said it had in it. Possibly in the states it might still contain levoamphetamine.

Why don't you just go and buy some fuckin meth on the streets? They don't call it poor man's coke for nothing.

most good crystal ive seen is more expensive than coke, by a long shot. around here a gram of coke runs $50-65 depending on quality. meth is always $100 a gram. i dont fuck with either, but its not hard to find out what ppl are paying.

Jibtec no they changed it long before 1999, and levorotary meth is barely useful in meth synthesis, only if you want to change it back to the ketone then re aminate it to get dl meth is it useful. So ie way to much work than other routes.

Adderal is stated as dl amphetamine because it is racemic, produced from P2P, it's cheap and easy, and only half as strong as dexadrine(dextrorotary amphetamine)

Vick's inhalers DO contain levmetamfetamine, I noticed this one day while clearing my nose to do another line of coke, I have no idea what it is, but its spelling is so similiar to methamphetamine it intrigued me... any ideas?

you are kidding? well I guess it could be different in the states, but I always thought with the huge hatred of all things meth, these would have been the first things to go.

its not l-methamphetamine... its spelled slightly different... I have no idea what it is.

K now I'm curious, this levmetamfetamine is not on the list I have of all currently used bronchodialators. Is that it's exact spelling. Argh!! What is the brand name and manufacturer of the product? I can't find it in my CPS or Merck.

levamfetamine is a trade name for levo amphetamine, which would only posess bronchodialation properties.

THat's true junglist but a gram of fuckin meth lasts ten times longer that a gram of coke. Here they are both around the same price 40 for a half 80 for one gram

Damn, it's expensive everywhere else, it seems. Around here you can get a teener for $90. While it might not [always] be crystaly stuff, it does seem to keep the locals up for days at a time [I know it did when I went on my post-divorce-self-destructive phase several years ago].

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Originally posted by tryptamine:
levamfetamine is a trade name for levo amphetamine, which would only posess bronchodialation properties.

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hmm...my vicks says levmetamfetamine...but the other ingredients are dumb shit like camphor and menthol. i know those dont do shit. thats obvious. but i was curious as to the spelling and maybe chemical relationship of the chems. thanks tryp.

My god people! YES Vicks Inhalers in the United States contain l-methamphetamine. The name is changed on the box so stupid people don't think they are actually buying methamphetamine.
It is not worth extracting because it is inactive. Now when it is coupled with a d isomer, like d,l meth made from P2P, it's a little different. Some people prefer the d,l buzz over the pure d buzz. It is beleived but not proven that the l isomer takes the same liver enzyme to decompose it as the d isomer, so the d isomer stays in the system a little longer, giving a longer lasting buzz (which d,l DOES last longer). Also, it is smoother, and has less of a bad come down. Pure d shit is rough, and can have a potentially nasty comedown. It's all what a person perfers. Some people say d,l is only half potent, which in some respects it is, but mostly it's the same.

Also they aren't worth it because each inhaler contains small amounts of l-meth left.

Now I suppose if you had been dumb and tried the synth, went through an ass and actually got a pile of l-meth, I suppose you could reflux with phosphorous acid (or was it phosphoric? aah just look up hydramine splitting) to get P2P again.

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Originally posted by tryptamine:
Back in the forties and stuff there used to be benzadrine (amphetamine) inhalers. You could crack them open and eat the paper strip inside. Then they switched them because of rescheduling of substances, abuse, whatever. I believe(I've just heard, no hard records) they went to l-meth, which has bronchodialation properties but is not centrally active. For reasons unknown(some time ago) this was then changed to simple mentholated inhalers we get nowadays that contain no other actives.

So unless you lived in the forties and were looking for speed you could never get actives from vicks inhalers.

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According to this, wouldn't inhalers for Bronchital Asthma have that shit you're talkin about?

Vick's inhalers DO contain levo-methamphetamine. I'm looking at one right now that has the active ingredient l-desoxyephedrine.