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Old 2002-01-30, 12:04
mcfryed mcfryed is offline
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i recently read that when your brain is tuned to a frequency of 20.215 Hz(this is achieved by playing a frequency {lets say 400Hz}in one ear and a frequency of 420.215, so your brain tunes into the difference of 20.215) is supposed to be similar to the effects of lsd-25

there are also other frequencies
20.027Hz - seratonin
30Hz? - marajuana
2.5Hz - endgenous opiates
38Hz - endorphins
633Hz - bio-energetic frequency for anthracinum(i.e. anthrax vaccine)
832Hz - Bio-energetic frequency for variolinum(i.e. smallpox vaccine)
388Mhz - causes damage/disruption in humans

i would greatly appreciate any feedback on the subject of brainwave frequencys and related topics.

i have a brainwave generator and will try the lsd-25 freq, i will post my reaction to it if anyone is interested.
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Old 2002-01-30, 12:43
milEh milEh is offline
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in my opinion that sounds like bullshit, but it might work, try it and tell everyone whether it works or not.
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Old 2002-01-30, 17:15
riot_kid riot_kid is offline
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Sounds like it might work. A buddy of mine got interesting affects generating alpha and beta brain waves and burning them to a CD. If it does work though why is this the first we've heard of it. And why aren't people wandering the streets wearing headphones flipping out? Why aren't bands who make trippy music truly tripping us out? Why do I ask so many questions?

Headphones are a controlled substance! Just say no to jam sessions!
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Old 2002-01-30, 22:46
maddcow007 maddcow007 is offline
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Ever Get those chills while ur listening to music, and u dont know why u get them??? i love that.
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Old 2002-01-31, 00:41
SomeEverydayNobody SomeEverydayNobody is offline
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well, if ur gonna try, goto download.com and serahc for tone generator, and download NCH Tone Generator! its really small and u just put in the value (hz) and it plays, and u can save it and everything.
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Old 2002-01-31, 01:22
maddcow007 maddcow007 is offline
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It doesn't work, i tried it, however i do hear a slight ringing in my ears. I put it up to 445.55 and Freckles (my dog) started howling and doing wierd things on the floor, then i put it to 555.55 and she freaked out and started running in circles and ran off out of the house, ha ha ha. This shit doesn't work unless your trying to torture some poor animal. *runs to go retrieve freckles*

MOJO why dont u like dogs?
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Old 2002-01-31, 01:26
insane_blaine insane_blaine is offline
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Don't mess up dogs, FUCK UP CATS. I hate those fuckin furry little peice's of shit.
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Old 2002-01-31, 02:23
mcfryed mcfryed is offline
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20.215 - no luck with it, but i was distracted and not very relaxed.
ive tried other frequencies, the frequencies similar to those during sleep have been promising. very relaxing and a little euphoric. i havent blazed in a few days and it took my mind right off of it(the freq started at 14hz and slowly lowered to zero)i seemed to fall asleep.i dont remember anything after 10 minutes but after 25 minutes i just got up from what seemed like a blackout and shut everything off without any debate wheter or not i should keep listening or not.

in my belief 20.215 is the freq of your brain while on lsd, is that right? that would be a good reason to believe the freq mimics lsd, but what do i know.

the only freq i know that works is 388Mhz because it is used to control crowds and during a standoff.

here is the link to the list of frequencies: http://geocities.com/rhinofoob/brain.html
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Old 2002-01-31, 08:04
kronikus kronikus is offline
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Yeah man, i tuned my brainwave generator to 666.666 Hz and the devil took over my brain and shit. Don't wanna mess around with electronic drugs, that's for sure.
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Old 2002-01-31, 17:43
junglist junglist is offline
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try to find the "brown noise" a la south park. see if you can shit yourself...
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Old 2002-02-01, 04:42
Mojo Pin Mojo Pin is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by maddcow007:
MOJO why dont u like dogs?


hmm..i just think they smell too damn much. I used to hate my girlfriend's dogs. One is really agressive and protective towards strangers..even though he's a golden retriever. Anyway, he likes me now, so that's cool. the other one is a fat, smelly, gimp. He is the epitomy of pathetic. But he's alright now cos he's not *too* scared of me anymore.

So...dogs are okay!

BTW, on a (further) totally unrelated dog topic, by 6 year old brother pissed in my grandparent's dog's water bowl, and we both packed up laughing when he started drinking it!!

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Old 2002-02-03, 18:33
Swartz45 Swartz45 is offline
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It would be intersting if someone would test out all the different frequencies and tell what they are like.

And with the frequency that is supposed to be like LSD, how long is it supposed to last? Just while you're listening to the frequency, a couple hours, or forever?
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Old 2002-02-05, 00:39
JCX JCX is offline
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Ive heard of all that before, tried it, and got jack shit. ive heard of people really getting high from it tho. they were probablyt j8ust lying.
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Old 2002-02-05, 03:52
Z3m Z3m is offline
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Immediate Relaxation and Stress Relief
Choose between 5hz and 10 hz for different levels of relaxation.
Meditation
Choose between 4hz and 7hz, either cycle between a few, or stay at a particular frequency for different results.
Improved Sleeping Patterns
Any of the Alpha and Theta frequencies (8Hz to 4Hz) for 30-45 minute sessions.
Treatment of Insomnia
Choose between 4hz and 6hz for starters (1/2 hour), then go into frequencies below 3.5hz (1/2 hour), settling on about 1.5hz to 2.5hz for sleep.
Improved and Lasting Sense of Well Being
Try Theta (4Hz to 7Hz) for 45 minutes, daily.
Creative Visualization

About 6hz for a while, then up to 10hz works well.
Alleviation of Migraines and Headaches
Experiment with Alpha and Theta combinations.
Reduction of Depression Symptoms
Again, Alpha and Theta combinations, mostly theta(?)
Self Hypnosis
Choose about 8hz to 10hz while playing any self-hypnosis tape, or guided meditation.
Super Learning
Choose about 7hz to 9hz while playing any learning tapes, like foreign language tapes, etc. to increase comprehension.
Subliminal Programming
Choose 5hz to 7hz while playing your favorite subliminal tapes, or make your own by recording some affirmations, and mix paste them from the clipboard at barely audible volumes.

Improve ESP / Intuition
Theta frequencies help in this area, 4hz to 7hz.
Reaching Higher States of Consciousness
Theta again, with daily half hour sessions.
Quick Refresher on long days
Low Alpha 8hz to 10hz for about 15 minutes works well.
Increased Immune System
Relaxing to Alpha and Theta combinations daily.

Using Alpha Synchronization (8Hz to 12Hz), expect similar increases in neuro-chemical levels:
11% increase in Norepinephrin levels
21% increase in Serotonin levels
25% increase in Beta-Endorphin levels
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Old 2002-02-05, 03:54
Z3m Z3m is offline
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That's from the Cool Edit 96 help file made by Syntrillium.
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Old 2002-02-06, 22:54
kronikus kronikus is offline
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So why does my doctor prescribe Sertraline (Zoloft) for my depression rather than just telling me to freq. out?
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Old 2002-02-08, 03:03
maddcow007 maddcow007 is offline
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The more i read, the more it sounds like bull shit. These r just my 2 cents.

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So why does my doctor prescribe Sertraline (Zoloft) for my depression rather than just telling me to freq. out?
I beleive (and i could be wrong, do flame away), but doesn't it take weeks for the seratonin to have an impact on your depression...where as w/ music you would have to be listening to it for 24/7 AND it wouldn't really regulate how much of it your getting?
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Old 2002-02-08, 03:33
kronikus kronikus is offline
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My point was that if brainwave drugs worked, it would probably be discussed a lot more.
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Old 2002-02-08, 05:27
Z3m Z3m is offline
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And a better point is that they do work but, as my post showed, they do not simulate drugs.

Only a complete moron would think it even possible to replicate a complex neuro-chemical reaction with tones.

As a matter of fact, using frequency generators with light and sound output has been used for decades to relax people. Mostly in research until now.

There are a few comercial devices that will do this. I saw one eye cover that had LEDs that flashed and ran on batteries. It was marketed to travelers to relax them on planes and so forth.
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Old 2002-02-09, 06:14
maddcow007 maddcow007 is offline
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ya know...this topic is kind-of interesting.
 
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