???? the one thing i miss of these forums, mainly the hive, is the THOUGHT PROMOTION,

some do meth- drugs for this, not DESIRE.
alot of insight seems to be exercised from there,and here some times.

mr clean, you can retire from what ever, but you should continue your thought promotion, hmm?

if any one knows to the fate of the above.
please take it out of its intangible existance and tell. and express it.

junkies are controlled we are not.

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totally nihilistic

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incidently a thread i was working on before the disaperence of the hive was a methyl benzine(toluene) synth of meth.

i have from rodium an excellent zip file To describe the manufacture and application of platinum dioxide, commonly known as Adams catalyst or platinum black, with the goal of opening alternative synthesis procedures for the manufacture of illicit recreational drugs

an 80 pound meth receipe.

has any one ever red about a meth synth from toluene?

the only ones i've seen that use toluene are methcathinone synths...

i think that I have a few of them around here too.

hmm, well this cook book zip says �The best route for manufacturing methamphetamine is the direct reduction of the hydroxyl on the L-ephedrine sulfate sidechain in glacial acetic acid using 70% perchloric acid as a promoter and 5% palladium-on-carbon as the catalyst,

and states Platinum dioxide has many advantages in it�s application to reductive aminations:

please ask if any of you are interested in reading this ill send it.

so toluene would be to p2p i guess?
has any one had any experience in this area, could meth be done by toluene?

acid melt?

damn, platinum? how much platium dioxide would you need to make 80 fuckin lbs of meth?

shit this is reminding me of the CHEMGUY site.

well i can tell you that i've seen shit like this mentioning toluene reductions but i dont recall platinum in it anywhere. ive seen a lot of alternate synthesises around. i really am interested in some newbies, which reminds me ive gotta work on that. i dont see this platinum one happening....just too expensive. you can go ahead and explain but i cant even see the means of which you would need an element like platinum in the first place. i know you have the 02 on it but the whole fact of its expense and obtaining it seems fuckin difficult man.