Allright Dankgirl420 You've mentioned I know 2x about this keef what exactly is it;how do you make it; affects

If you know that I mentioned it twice, you would have already noticed the answer to your question.

It is marijuana crystals.

How do you make it? By using a silkscreen.

Effects: Gets you stoned.

Marijuana Crystals???? Theres no such thing as marijuana crystals, you can't have a crystaline plant, at least ive never heard of it. i think densegirl means THC crystals

For someone who thought candy flippin was exctasy dipped in acid, you seem like one real smart guy. I meant the crystals on marijuana. Ok? And I've never heard of "THC crystals" anyway so no, that's not what I meant. But thanks for tryin to help.

You're both wrong. THC doesn't make crystals. It's a liquad at room temperature.

Never said that TCH made crystals. I said the crystals on marijuana is called keef! WTF!!!

Bongman, you never heard of keef?

IMHO "Kif" is in arabic culture a mixture of cannabis sommities(buds) and tobacco, but it's a very mild and not so potent "drug", culturally it's consumed by the elderlies, the plant is grown in the mountains pretty roughly, they just throw some seeds on melting snow at spring, step on them, come back later...
it's smoked in long pipes at evenings, now youngsters in the Maghreb rather smoke Hash, some growers in Morocco do Hash Oil, which is extremly potent, like 60%, drop a drop in coffee, sweeten it(don't forget the sugar when you eat H)and fly high for a minimum of 12 hours. bye
Eau

**Sighs**

Kif is not a mixture of cannabis and tobacco. You CAN smoke kif on tobacco if you like, however, that is not kif.

More specifically, kif is the name given to finely powdered resin glands from female cannabis flowers. A Morrocon name, IIRC. It is not inaccurate to say that kif is the crystals on marijuana because the resin glands look like tiny sugar crystals on the buds. These resin glands or crystals can be scraped off with a silkscreen. The resulting powder is kif.

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Originally posted by Eau:
it's a very mild and not so potent "drug

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Then what exactly is your definition of potent??

Keef used to get me faded.

Keef still does get me faded.

i like this Eau guy

and just when I was about to sodomize him...

Hey thanks for your affection, sodomy wise, well, thanks but no thanks.
Concerning Kif, i gave you what I knew from Morrocan culture, now you guys might use it as a slang term for something new.
But as far as I'm concerned crystallised thc glands , i call it "shake", because it's often at the end of the bag...
concerning kif potency, well, think about the atlas mountains, it freezes at night, it rains twice a year, the only manure they have must be donkey shit, and trust me they have a very "mediterranean" way of taking care of it-read my previous post- so you can imagine that the unique bud of a plant will be heavily seeded, and not that potent, but has such a flavor, hum mmmm, and culturally the elderly mix it with tobacco for better combustion, interesting plant indeed, must be pretty close to those indca fast growing in the northern hemishere.
cannabis CAN grow wild und unattended, take as example the field of Hemp that are next to the Aral Sea in the ex-USSR, the Soviets used that land to grow hemp for rope for their ships, now you have there the largest "hemp" field of the world (about as big as pennsylvania) the local mob, after harvest usually hijacks a train en route to Moscow in order to sell it there...

eau is right dank your wrong.

here is an artical from cannabis culture that will explain it better than I can.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/cgi/article.cgi?num=1830
if you want to see the pics the go to the link but the artical I will paste below.

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-> Pure pot powder perfection
by Micronug, story and photos (01 Mar, 1999) Top quality resin powder is the ultimate stoner treat.


Micrograph shows the nearly pure clear glandular trichome heads.
There is a new cannabis treat you may have seen lately. It's a powder, and usually comes in a little vial. No, it's not some crazy way of snorting herb. It's commonly called kif (pronounced "keef") in North America, and it's getting more popular every day. A more accurate name for this product would be resin powder, as the word kif is actually used to describe a tobacco and marijuana blend smoked in Morocco. Resin powder is a more appropriate name, but it hasn't really caught on yet.

So what is this mysterious powder? Essentially, it is hashish before it has been pressed. Kif can be made from buds, but this is rarely cost efficient, so it is usually made from leaf and trim, and can range in quality from schwag to totally awesome.

There are several different ways of making resin powder, but the general idea is usually the same. Plant material is somehow threshed or vibrated over a screen with the proper mesh size, and the delicate resin glands that fall through are then collected and smoked.

Mila's marvellous machines

Mila Jansen, owner of After the Harvest and Pollinator Co in Amsterdam, is an innovator in this field. She has invented two ingenious machines that collect resin powder.


A nice large chunk of pure resin powder ready to roll.
The first is called The Pollinator and in many ways it resembles a front-loading washing machine. Dried plant material is placed in the machine, which then spins. There is a 150 micron screen around the perimeter of the inside and the resin simply passes through, to be collected with ease from a resin trap below.

There are different sized machines, and the smallest will fit in a refrigerator. The cooler temperatures allow the resin to be collected more efficiently.

The less time spent in the machine, the higher quality the powder � this is the golden rule. The first sample taken at 2 minutes is very pure, as only the heaviest glands have fallen through; very little vegetative matter has made it through the screen. The longer the machine spins, the more vegetative matter falls through, thus lowering the quality of the resin powder.

The other machine is called "Ice-O-Lator" and uses a water-based system. It works on the principle that resin glands are insoluble in water, and are also heavier than water.

Fresh plant material can be used in this machine, a huge benefit because you don't lose any precious resin in the drying process. There is ice water in the machine, and the buds or leaf are placed directly into the water. The water is then agitated, knocking the resin off the plant.

The resin slowly sinks to the bottom, where it passes through a series of screens that clean up the product, which at this point is a milky liquid containing mostly pure resin. This liquid is then poured over a coffee filter and dried, producing resin powder.


With pressure, heat, hands and quality powder a ball of hashish is formed.
Homemade powder

For the more patient, resin powder can be made by hand. I recommend using the two screen system. The first screen (135-150 micron pore size) catches any plant material larger than resin glands. The second screen (50-60 micron pore size) is slightly separated from the first, and holds the large resin glands while letting small glands and debris fall through. If done properly, the resin left on top of the bottom screen can be of very high quality.

The screens are loaded with plant material and either shaken, vibrated, or threshed. Also, plants are manicured over the screen to collect falling glands. Smaller "head-stash" versions of this device can also be built.

I believe that a lot of the "kif" being sold today is made from buds that are then sold. This is highly lame, as they are essentially "cutting" marijuana, something previously believed to be impossible. Have you ever gotten a beautiful bag of nuggets that for some strange reason had little or no effects? A look under the microscope might very well reveal that most of the resin glands have been "kiffed" away. This practice must be stopped!


A film canister cap filled with the purest A-plus powder.
30 meter hash

The inherent problem with collecting high quality resin powder is that the extraction ratio (the amount of plant material needed to produce X amount of resin powder) is so high in making top quality powder that you will pretty much never see it for sale. Quite simply, the market would not bear what it would have to cost.

In Amsterdam, they call this 30 meter hash. This is because it never makes it more than 30 meters from where it was made! So instead there is only low quality greenish "kif" for sale, green because of the high amount of vegetative matter in it. By leaving the system running for a long time, much more resin powder is made, but of lesser quality. Powder of lesser purity can take up to a half hour to press, if it will even stick at all. It is usually crumbly, and will practically never bubble when lit. Nevertheless, it can still make a nice smoke.

Squish your own stone

Alas, the only way to get the super dank powder is to make it yourself or be really good friends with someone who does. The pure stuff will be amber to red coloured, with little or no visible green specks. When smoked, this pure powder is a very special treat, but there is still one step to perfection. This final step is pressing the powder into hashish, and the reasons are numerous for doing this.

There is a magical chemical reaction that happens when high quality powder is pressed by hand. (Especially the hand of the smoker!) The flavour and stone are considerably increased and improved. You must have fairly pure powder to do this, and the purer the powder, the less time it takes to press.


Anassortment of screenings and hash.
Top quality resin powder, when pressed, becomes a ball of black sticky hashish in seconds. When warm, it will bend easily. If left out to sit and cool, it will break like a chip of glass. If lit, it will bubble and ooze. The higher quality the hashish, the less time it will take to bubble. When smoked, it is the ultimate stoner treat. Shockingly strong, but not crippling. This is the real connoisseur deal here. Very complex, intellectual and often extremely conversational, this is the stuff that legends are made of.
Pure resin powder perfection

So the next time you are offered some "kif" for sale, test it first. Will it press into hashish, or is there just too much vegetative matter present? Try smoking some by itself. Many people test it by sprinkling some on a bowl of ganja. I don't recommend this, because the effects of the ganja could be confused with those of the resin powder.

A couple of tokes of pure resin powder will have almost immediate results. If you aren't immediately impressed with the high, don't waste your money. Remember, the greener the powder, the lower the quality.

Anyone wanting to learn more about kif and hash making should read Rob Clarke's new book, Hashish! This is the bible when it comes to hash.

Happy toking!

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once again I add eau is right and dank is wrong(remember we wouldn't have known he was right if it wasn't for me).

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cogito, ergo sum

i'm kind of confused on how the thc remains a liquid inside these glands. is that why its refrigerated? to keep the thc from leaking? what would these glands look like under a microscope since they arent very potent in comparison to hash- like a big crystal ball with a little oil in the middle? what? im a little fuzzy. *ponders making some for himself*

I think you ALL need to re-read my post. Kif is not mixed with tobacco! Re-read the shit!! Othium...chill...re read it and i personally know how to use a silk screen to make the shit. and i don't mix it with tobacco! Argue all you want! I know the truth and so do my "hippie" friends. And they're all laughin their asses of at you othium.

Funny how different cultures can ebd up in a misunderstanding: like if you smoke a joint in Europe people will take long drags and kinda"bogart your joint"(and mix pot & tobacco) in the states, grass is smoked pure, and people take one long drag then pass it around as fast as possible...
Not good nor bad , just different.
Thanks Othium for quoting(and finding) that great reference of that "keef" machine, i saw a doc on it, it really never goes farther than a 100 yards...
Another info then: In Ketamal, Morrocco, the king granted the right to grow the weed to THAT region in the 15th century or so. the first powder is for the village, the second for national consuming, we get the rest, and rejoyce when the stuff doe'snt crumble in our eager hands...
Eau in Gas ....

http://www.hipforums.com/viewthread.php3?TID=8638

OK???????????

RC- this is a convo between Eau and me... Keep your business outta it. Eau click the URL and you will see that we were both right. And Othium.... excuses are like assholes, eveyone has them and they ALL stink,

dank I don't need an excuse I'm right.

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cogito, ergo sum

RC - you've seldom been right. So if it floats your boat...keep on thinkin what your thinking. Now, drop it!!! I'm not gonna go on about how stupid you. I'll leave that up to you.

And obviously, RC, you never clicked the link so chill the fuck out!!

**shakes head at Othium/Raverz Choice**

[This message has been edited by dankgirl420 (edited 05-24-2001).]

lol

Well thanks for the link Dank , cool site, I agree we were both right, guess we both learnt something , isn'it the purpose of this forum?
But please let's not get into these "i'm higher(more baked) than you" kind of arguments
With you in the rocky mountains
Eau

When did I try to get into this "I'm higher than you" argument anyway??

I used to make keef all the time with leaves. If you get the right kind of screen you can get some greenish white powder that makes the leaves actually worth something. A few hits and your fucking gone. A silkscreen works good.

I'm higher than you Eau...

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It's 4:19, got a minute?

That's what i've said all along!!

who's going to jail now BIOTCH

Again, slp, specify you you're callin beeeyoch!