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 #1 
Old 2001-05-15, 05:40
othium othium is offline
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o.k. I was just looking through the old medicine cabinet to see if anything that we have lieing around could be sold or used as a drug.

and when looking I found wellbutin 100mg it is a fairly common anti deppresant so I was wondering if anybody who knows more about this than i do could tell me what kind of a dosage is safe and what kind of high could I get from it?

Is it anything like paxil?

o.k. before I ask anymore quistions I'll add that at the website i looked at it said not to take uner 18 I'm just wondering is it safe for me to take?

I'm 14, 150 pounds, 5'7", if any of that matters.

so all I want to know is it safe in general? does it even get you high? how many to take, and what should I expect?

thanks will be awarded to all those that help and maybe even those who critisize constructively.



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Old 2001-05-15, 05:49
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My experiences with wellbutrin weren't very good regarding recreational purposes. I had the shakes, headache, nausea, and cold sweat. Plus, I couldn't sleep. But that's me. I heard someone tell me they've hallucinated from it before.

It's basically the same as zyban.
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Old 2001-05-15, 05:59
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i used small amounts vaporized along with hashoil soaked handformed buds as an MAO(not MAOI) to make the high shorter but more intense at one time. It proved well, but i didnt know much at the time about chemistry. I probably wouldn do it now.
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Old 2001-05-15, 06:58
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Dunno man, dunno.

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Old 2001-05-15, 17:53
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so um, how many 100mg pills should I take?


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Old 2001-05-15, 18:51
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I've tried Serzone, also an anti-depressant, and the affects were much like what was described above. That shit sucked. If its anything like Wellbutrin, your gonna have one shitty time, let me tell you.
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Old 2001-05-15, 20:18
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RC- Did you read what we fuckin said?? It pretty much has no recreational value but go ahead if you want to... It doesn't seem like you're taking what we said into consideration anyway.
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Old 2001-05-17, 00:17
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serzone(nefazadone)- ah yes i was on that- never tried it recreationally, but it works wonders for depression until severe tolerance sets in after about a year.
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Old 2001-05-17, 07:19
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I doubt it would be worth your time.
Anti depresants are not like painkillers. I don't know if wellbutrin is MAOI or SSRI (Paxil is SSRI) but stuff like that has no street value. Like they said anti-depressiants have 'no recreational value'. Just because something is a drug doesen't mean it'll get you high. If your real hard up you can always drink a bottle of Niquil. But I did that once and i don't really reccomend it.
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Old 2001-05-17, 08:35
slpwlkr333 slpwlkr333 is offline
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yea dude, nyquil, for those "hard-up" wait i think he means retarded.
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Old 2001-05-17, 13:48
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"wait i think he means retarded"
Yea, that's what I ment to say.
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Old 2001-05-18, 00:08
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I have a perscription for Welbutrin and I don't really like it. I like it better than the Paxil I used to take.

The only way I could describe the effects of Paxil is to say that it makes everything a little greyer. What I mean, is that is sort of lowers the pedulum swing. Again, what I mean is that you know how you can only get as happy as you can get mad? Well, Paxil makes it so you can never get really mad or really happy. Just kind of numb. So, I didn't like it. If I want to get numb I'll get drunk.

Welbutrin didn't have so much of a sexual side effect, but it still - like I said - sort of just decreases the quality of everything. Anti-depressants aren't exactly my idea of a good time. However, that's just my opinion.

You'd have to take an extremely large dose of Welbutrin to O.D. It's almost as harmless as Paxil, which is totally non toxic. You could eat a whole jar of Paxil and feel nothing but a tummy ache, probably. You'd probably have to take that much Welbutrin to O.D. But, I wouldn't bother trying.

Since I've worked for the San Francisco Department of Mental Health I've learned a lot about different anti-deppresants.

Cheers,
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Old 2001-05-18, 17:43
Neo Nemesis Neo Nemesis is offline
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ive tried paxil once, i was at a party drinking smokin up and on e at the time so i couldnt get its effects but damn it burned, i crushed it then snorted it with the plastic coating type thing(whatever the orange stuff on the outside was) and damn i went to get another beer and as i stood up i felt the nostril i used start to burn then like every step i took the burning moved to like the hole half of my face, but after the burning went away a sat next to the stereo and i couldnt only see the musics vibrations in the air but i could feel it too and i just sat there really content till everybody went to bed an i only remember getting up and everybody thinking that i was almost dead.... lesson paxil hurts
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Old 2001-05-18, 18:36
slpwlkr333 slpwlkr333 is offline
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yea id use paxil with extasy too. NO! you fuckin retard. what are you stupid, have you not heard like every SSRI-MDMA interaction post that has been up?
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Old 2001-05-19, 20:26
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i'm starting to wonder about wellbutrin, since its very similar to the phenethylamine group. maybe it does have potential recreational value- maybe not, im at odds now, since it is in not specific anti-depressant group and it also increases dopamine production quite efficiently(mg/lb)(woa dood, cool,dopamine= dope?- bro, yea uhh stuff ). So anyway, i wouldnt rule it out, it isnt acetaminophen after all.
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Old 2001-05-19, 23:25
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Potential Uses For Bupropion Hcl Recreationally- There is a Phenethylamine Analogue in my House(Shall i Throw Up for a Trip?)- by slpwlkr333

#1
LDlo= lowest published lethal dose: Male human- 329mg/kg
TDlo= lowest published toxic dose(dosage at which you trip at and/or lose consciousness because of seizure/convulsions but don't die):

#2
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest published toxic dose(severe mental reaction as opposed to the physical toxic reaction in the next TDlo- i THINK)
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 2 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - hallucinations, distorted perceptions
Behavioral - food intake (animal)
Gastrointestinal - nausea or vomiting
***sounds just like "psychedelic"/shulgin phenethylamines like t-7(hallucinations with vomiting/nausea)
ok this is too high for a TDlo:
#3
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest(severe toxic physical reaction i think) published toxic dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 180 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threashold
Cardiac - pulse rate increase, without fall in BP
#4
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest published toxic dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 20 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threshold http://hazard.com/msds/tox/f/q108/q549.html


so what do we have? ok lowest published male dose 329 mg/kg= so lets say its me; i weigh 148(67.27 Kilograms) exactly.
slpwlkr333
Dosage: Oral
Potential LDlo- about 22,132 mg(!?!?[wtf?well even if this isn't completely correct, i won't od on wellbutrin])
>>>>>assuming a woman is less tolerant to bupropion hcl- i'll base this next estimate on TDlo (mental toxicity) as 5mg/kg instead of 2 mg/kg
Potential "psychedelic"/mental TDlo- about 336 mg(that seems about right as the LOWEST possible, cause i woulda guessed about 500 for a really weak phenethylamine analogue).
>>>>>assuming a woman is less tolerant to bupropion hcl - i'll base the estimate for the main physical toxicity on 200 mg/kg instead of 180 mg/kg(goddamnit, why can't the government[U.S.] do toxicity tests for bupropion hcl on males, for fucks sake)
Potential physical toxic TDlo- 13,454 mg(well at least it coincides with the LDlo, since you figure you'd go into a seizure and then a coma around 13.5 k mg and if you keep eating them, somehow[yea i know you'd be unconscious, but these are oral administration estimates]and eventually die near the 22.5 k mg mark [a little less but whos counting thousands upon thousands of mgs]).The potential physical TDlo could be much lower since there was a report in there(and up there; i posted it here) of a woman having a threashold physical reaction at 20 mg/kg.
>>>>> SOOOO trying to be careful and avoid seizures and shit, but being reasonable, we'll once again assume female's have a lower tolerance to bupropion. So ill make this estimate for a THRESHOLD physical TDlo (who knows, there will always be someone in the world with a lower TDlo; we just dont go testing psychoactive drugs on everyone until they convulse) on the basis of the information was 30 mg/kg instead of 20 mg/kg.
Potential THRESHOLD physical TDlo- 2,018 mg (ok that's plenty for me dood, i'd take about 1500 mg max probably [wow that 15 of my fuckin pills, jesus! its like a fuckin diphenhydramine trip, so many pills, you'd swear to get the full blown effect- with the amount of pills you need, you'd think they were OTC if you were from the third world] and take vital signs as well as qualitative results and post it on erowid since they have NO[thats ZERO] plain{well maybe not so "plain" as im finding out} Bupropion trip reports, as well as Leda- NOTHING!]

======Note: Remember the adjusted TDlos(mental/physical threshold/severe physical) are for a MALE of 148 lbs and are PURELY theoretical as of this moment. If you chose to try this, females will need to potentially lower their dosage significantly even if the same weight as the male(148 lbs). Inquire if any questions at all. MALES over 148 lbs should be RELATIVELY safer as opposed to one of 148 lbs and one of LESS weight should definitely NOT TRY THIS and inquire about an adjusted dosage.Thank you and be safe; please ===================

Once again, my theoretical "trip" would be of such:
***(Note: this is NOT a LOWEST TOXIC MENTAL DOSE, IT IS ABOVE THE TDlo- the estimated mental TDlo[bare minimum]- 336.35 total mg(oral)(148 lb male[me])- that's my mental TDlo


My FIRST test that I would do if i were to find out the psychedelic properties of Bupropion HCL.
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TYPE OF TEST : TD(goal: mental without hitting physical threshold[seizure symptoms])
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - male(weight- 148 lbs[67.72 kg]
POTENTIAL DOSE/DURATION : 14 mg/kg(***seems to be the correct ratio almost failsafe, though it still remains THEORETICAL)(total dose= 941.78 mg)
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - hallucinations, distorted perceptions, potential irritability, mild to moderate somnolence(most likely at least mild since tripping out on phenethylamines makes it hard to remain attached to reality)
Behavioral - (possible)food intake (animal)
Gastrointestinal - nausea and/or vomiting(short-lived @about T+0:30 mins[i predict/hope])
Cardiac- Moderate pulse increase, slight blood pressure rise
POTENTIAL EXPERIMENTAL AIDS- delta-9-Tetrahydrocannibinol for severe nausea(HIGHLY ADVISED AGAINST due to its tendency to taint Qualitative Results)


[This message has been edited by slpwlkr333 (edited 05-19-2001).]
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Old 2001-05-20, 16:30
Neo Nemesis Neo Nemesis is offline
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slpwlkr- ya i was stupid back then that was in october i was still new to drugs then and that was before i joined this board or researched drugs all the time i do know better now but not then

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Old 2001-05-20, 21:17
slpwlkr333 slpwlkr333 is offline
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No one trying this or interested in a targeted TDlo mental dose for their weight?
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Old 2001-06-19, 14:01
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Hello, got you talk alot of complicating stuff, its only cos I don't know.
Anyway, this is my feeble contribution without having tried bupropion, I have tried dietylpropion (Tenute Dospan) which apparently is quite near in structure etc. to bupropion (Wellbutrin). Tenuate is good when you have nothing else, if you take 3 or 4, you feel abit more livelier and probably more talkative too.
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Originally posted by slpwlkr333:
Potential Uses For Bupropion Hcl Recreationally- There is a Phenethylamine Analogue in my House(Shall i Throw Up for a Trip?)- by slpwlkr333

#1
LDlo= lowest published lethal dose: Male human- 329mg/kg
TDlo= lowest published toxic dose(dosage at which you trip at and/or lose consciousness because of seizure/convulsions but don't die):

#2
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest published toxic dose(severe mental reaction as opposed to the physical toxic reaction in the next TDlo- i THINK)
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 2 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - hallucinations, distorted perceptions
Behavioral - food intake (animal)
Gastrointestinal - nausea or vomiting
***sounds just like "psychedelic"/shulgin phenethylamines like t-7(hallucinations with vomiting/nausea)
ok this is too high for a TDlo:
#3
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest(severe toxic physical reaction i think) published toxic dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 180 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threashold
Cardiac - pulse rate increase, without fall in BP
#4
TYPE OF TEST : TDLo - Lowest published toxic dose
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - woman
DOSE/DURATION : 20 mg/kg
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - convulsions or effect on seizure threshold http://hazard.com/msds/tox/f/q108/q549.html


so what do we have? ok lowest published male dose 329 mg/kg= so lets say its me; i weigh 148(67.27 Kilograms) exactly.
slpwlkr333
Dosage: Oral
Potential LDlo- about 22,132 mg(!?!?[wtf?well even if this isn't completely correct, i won't od on wellbutrin])
>>>>>assuming a woman is less tolerant to bupropion hcl- i'll base this next estimate on TDlo (mental toxicity) as 5mg/kg instead of 2 mg/kg
Potential "psychedelic"/mental TDlo- about 336 mg(that seems about right as the LOWEST possible, cause i woulda guessed about 500 for a really weak phenethylamine analogue).
>>>>>assuming a woman is less tolerant to bupropion hcl - i'll base the estimate for the main physical toxicity on 200 mg/kg instead of 180 mg/kg(goddamnit, why can't the government[U.S.] do toxicity tests for bupropion hcl on males, for fucks sake)
Potential physical toxic TDlo- 13,454 mg(well at least it coincides with the LDlo, since you figure you'd go into a seizure and then a coma around 13.5 k mg and if you keep eating them, somehow[yea i know you'd be unconscious, but these are oral administration estimates]and eventually die near the 22.5 k mg mark [a little less but whos counting thousands upon thousands of mgs]).The potential physical TDlo could be much lower since there was a report in there(and up there; i posted it here) of a woman having a threashold physical reaction at 20 mg/kg.
>>>>> SOOOO trying to be careful and avoid seizures and shit, but being reasonable, we'll once again assume female's have a lower tolerance to bupropion. So ill make this estimate for a THRESHOLD physical TDlo (who knows, there will always be someone in the world with a lower TDlo; we just dont go testing psychoactive drugs on everyone until they convulse) on the basis of the information was 30 mg/kg instead of 20 mg/kg.
Potential THRESHOLD physical TDlo- 2,018 mg (ok that's plenty for me dood, i'd take about 1500 mg max probably [wow that 15 of my fuckin pills, jesus! its like a fuckin diphenhydramine trip, so many pills, you'd swear to get the full blown effect- with the amount of pills you need, you'd think they were OTC if you were from the third world] and take vital signs as well as qualitative results and post it on erowid since they have NO[thats ZERO] plain{well maybe not so "plain" as im finding out} Bupropion trip reports, as well as Leda- NOTHING!]

======Note: Remember the adjusted TDlos(mental/physical threshold/severe physical) are for a MALE of 148 lbs and are PURELY theoretical as of this moment. If you chose to try this, females will need to potentially lower their dosage significantly even if the same weight as the male(148 lbs). Inquire if any questions at all. MALES over 148 lbs should be RELATIVELY safer as opposed to one of 148 lbs and one of LESS weight should definitely NOT TRY THIS and inquire about an adjusted dosage.Thank you and be safe; please ===================

Once again, my theoretical "trip" would be of such:
***(Note: this is NOT a LOWEST TOXIC MENTAL DOSE, IT IS ABOVE THE TDlo- the estimated mental TDlo[bare minimum]- 336.35 total mg(oral)(148 lb male[me])- that's my mental TDlo


My FIRST test that I would do if i were to find out the psychedelic properties of Bupropion HCL.
***************
TYPE OF TEST : TD(goal: mental without hitting physical threshold[seizure symptoms])
ROUTE OF EXPOSURE : Oral
SPECIES OBSERVED : Human - male(weight- 148 lbs[67.72 kg]
POTENTIAL DOSE/DURATION : 14 mg/kg(***seems to be the correct ratio almost failsafe, though it still remains THEORETICAL)(total dose= 941.78 mg)
TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral - hallucinations, distorted perceptions, potential irritability, mild to moderate somnolence(most likely at least mild since tripping out on phenethylamines makes it hard to remain attached to reality)
Behavioral - (possible)food intake (animal)
Gastrointestinal - nausea and/or vomiting(short-lived @about T+0:30 mins[i predict/hope])
Cardiac- Moderate pulse increase, slight blood pressure rise
POTENTIAL EXPERIMENTAL AIDS- delta-9-Tetrahydrocannibinol for severe nausea(HIGHLY ADVISED AGAINST due to its tendency to taint Qualitative Results)


[This message has been edited by slpwlkr333 (edited 05-19-2001).]



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Old 2001-06-19, 14:02
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quote:
Don't you think you are abit young for all that shit, anyway, what do you want from it, to get high or are you depressed. let me know. Don't fuck your life up so young.
Originally posted by othium:
o.k. I was just looking through the old medicine cabinet to see if anything that we have lieing around could be sold or used as a drug.

and when looking I found wellbutin 100mg it is a fairly common anti deppresant so I was wondering if anybody who knows more about this than i do could tell me what kind of a dosage is safe and what kind of high could I get from it?

Is it anything like paxil?

o.k. before I ask anymore quistions I'll add that at the website i looked at it said not to take uner 18 I'm just wondering is it safe for me to take?

I'm 14, 150 pounds, 5'7", if any of that matters.

so all I want to know is it safe in general? does it even get you high? how many to take, and what should I expect?

thanks will be awarded to all those that help and maybe even those who critisize constructively.




 
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