ive been taking several herbal supplements lately an they seam to make me noticably more energetic and mentaly allert (ginko biloba, ginseng, St. Johns Wort). Ive been reading up on many more and have found numerous canidates for future trial. One in particular is Guarana, a herb first known for its consumption by South American indians. Ive read a couple facts on it and it appears it might have some recreational potential. Its a painkiller, that instead of depressing the central nervous center, actualy somehow makes it more energetic. some quotes, "It has the same chemical composition as caffeine, theine and cocaine, and the same physiological action.,Medicinal Action and Uses---Nervine, tonic, slightly narcotic stimulant, aphrodisiac febrifuge., Although primarily used in South America, guarana--called "Zoom" by some due to its familiar stimulating effects--has infiltrated the American health food market in the last few years. , Today, Brazil's soft drink industries use the same preparation, with the addition of carbonation. Guarana is also sometimes mixed with alcohol to make a more intoxicating beverage."
http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article&ID=887
www.botanical.com

I also read soemplace that thier are GHB precursors still available (u eat the, ur brain converts the chemicals to GHB in your brain, u get high) - is this true?

Herbal shit like that are hard to high from.
the only go way to get a buz is to put it in a tea bag and make some up some tea, having 20+ of those pill is nasty once i had 20+ gurana pill and 3 cups of coffee, not good i OD and got so sick from all the caffine in
thats in guarana. so i tryied it in tea
and i go very energetic and mellow, its not
as good as weed but if you mix them around it could work. i think st johns wort
and kava kava and guarana would be
a good cup of tea..

How long have you been taking those herbal supplements for? I think that all that stuff only produces placebo effects,personally. My dad's girlfriend always eats these ginseng pills and drinks chamomile and says it works but the stuff never worked for me. I've tried kava kava (kaveclones) and st. john's capsules and tea and that never seemed to worked for me either. But I'm glad it works for you.

[This message has been edited by dankgirl420 (edited 04-23-2001).]

mal- i emailed you about it. should about cover it. if you got any short questions about it just ask on here or email doesnt really matter.