I was quite suprised when I found out a female firend of mine had a rather large porn collection. When I commented on this (at a party to the person who told me) a group of people told that most girls do have porn collections and there's nothing odd about this.

I'm confused... when did this happen ? I was sure porn was mostly a guy thing.

ps. I started a new topic but this is really an extention a topic below/above http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum4/HTML/000700.html

allthe girls i know as friens have admited to liking porn. the thing that bothers me is that when they look at porn its "cute" but when we do its just perverted. i hate when they talk about guys being pigs for that.

magician- wow..who wouldve know

syphon- good point...maybe cuase guys are "guys" and girls are "cute"
.....i dunno.....

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magician- wow..who wouldve know

syphon- good point...maybe cuase guys are "guys" and girls are "cute"
.....i dunno.....

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JoNKorn, was that supposed to be sarcasm ? Just wondering...

I was quite surprised as well when my wife and I were first just going out when she suggested getting a smoker flick as opposed to a regular release. She said that her and girlfriends (straight and bi) rented them all the time. We have purchased a dish type system and subscribe to the �TEN� network & the "ECSTASY" channel and she has this collection compulsion going on. I believe at last count we have over 100 videotapes consisting of five movies on each.

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Thats a sign (collecting things) of warped territorial impulses. She must have had privacy issues growing up. That its connected to her sexuality is even more disturbing...
Do any of you people have wives who like just being turned on by their husbands? Any husbands who reserve their sexuality for their wives? ANY households capable of raising a stable and strong creator?
The only girl I know who liked porn, she said cause its funny, its a psycho pig who has sex with her brother. Hey messer, shes also an existentialist...LoL

i detest the idea of people watching porno.

Tough shit. Why do you detest it? Some things are too beautiful and sexy to not have to look back on again, like with porn. Not all porn though.

i dont see anythign wrong with it and this is teh 21st century i mean gosh everyone is becoming more open with their sexuality i mean grown women are discussing fake orgasms at luncheunettes, we got to face teh fact the fact that not only guys are being open with how they handle their sexual impulses women are now shedding the skin of oppression and proving that literally they can be as "perverted" as any man and even more so in some cases so i dont quite understand the shock or the stereotypes but then agaon everyone can think what they want and i am not saying i think its stupid or what anyone else thinks is in oblivion im just saying i dont quite understand (just so no one takes what i said the wrong way, i hate upsetting people over something as trivial as wording)

Hey Defiant I checked with my facilities on-site Psych and he concurred with your findings, so what should I do with her man? Should I have her committed? Contact a divorce attorney? Or should I just get freaking out before it�s too late and I have to watch another painful porno while I slap the goods to my wife�s ars while she�s munching her friend�s muff???? THE TORMENT!!!!!!! Thanks Defiant! I don�t know what I would have done with out your diagnosis! You know though I should help her out a little you know��..What should I do about her Faberge Egg collecting and antiques along with those horrible Precious Moments figurines she collects?
By the way I let her do as she pleases but was compelled to ask her why she collects the smut tapes and she said she wants to cancel the channel subscription so we don�t have to pay for porn��..Christ! I feel a copyright infringement lecture coming on���

Porn = good.. for everyone.

Janny

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I guess theres no one who gets married to a man or women with the intent of acting married, huh?

That depends on your opinion of what acting married is composed of

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Tis funny if it has a story line, especially if it is set in the 80s and they walk around in leather strips.

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bollocks

i think its great that they look at it because it makes them more open and free. people make a big deal about it but its just human nature. cultures have been doing it for hundreds of years. the act has just been repressed by modern religions.

Anyone who thinks porn is a new idea is welcome to peruse my collection of Victorian-era porn.

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It goes way farther back than that! I saw a book that shows pictures of statues from pompeii (before it was destroyed by volcano)that display sex and erotic themes, like group sex, lez, bi, ect.(even bestiality). back then they had lots of porn.

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depends on what it is..

Rape was common back then too. Are you people trying to imply because people did it a long time ago its good? I love how when traditions that are associated with being weak and disgusting (porn, drug use, adultery, etc) they are valued and legitimized, but when tradition demands restraint its always "Ah what the hell is tradition anyway?"

my point was that since it was around in very uncival and early cultures we can deduce that it is simply human nature. the egyptian culture was totaly based on sex and pornographic images were a large part of it.
you can argue that not all human nature is good but i feel that something as axiomatic as our very nature should not be considered wrong. unless you feel we are at core basicly evil.

Pornography is not in our nature.

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Originally posted by Fred Madison:
Tough shit. Why do you detest it? Some things are too beautiful and sexy to not have to look back on again, like with porn. Not all porn though.

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Fred Madison-

"some things are too beautiful and sexy to not have to look back on again, like with porn"? you are one sick, degenerate jerk. how can porn be used in the same breath as the word beautiful? you couldnt have sounded more confused and naive if you tried. porn isnt beautiful..it isnt nice. and sluts just as confused and sad as you shoving dirty cock in their mouth, isnt sexy.

"tough shit"? try talking to me when you grow up and face the fact that you are defending something that will ultimately make you an even weaker human being than you are now - and damn you.

not that i want to single you out from the rest of you that think porn is cool..or porn is beautiful or sexy. you people are retarded.

Damn, mi piace baby.

So... I'm guessing you two have never, don't, and will never, ever, under any circumstances ever watch porn?

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personally I dont watch porn

I woudl prefer to have a girlfriend of mine come over, or go there...etc

...but...I dont find anything against it
whoopdy do, pictures...your a dumbass defiant
are you afraid of sexuality that y ou supress it under clauses of weakness?

and note that you are posting in the forum labeled 'sex and affection'

....lol....

pornography is not wrong, and it isnt 'right'...it is just another thing
like basketball or romeo and juliet
(on the subject of movies...I just watched 'The game'...I mean...HOLY FUCKING SHIT lol)

Porn can be beautiful. Pictures of something sexual or of sexual activity can be beautiful and sexually exciting. Human bodies participating in sex can be a beautiful image. And I don't mean all of it either. I don't think sex is taboo. But really, why do you detest it?

There's porn, then there's erotic art.. porn is a tool used as a masturbation aid mostly, sometimes by couples who like to watch first, and occasionally for a laugh.. but it's about the physical sexuality, not the beauty inherent. That's where erotic art starts.. there can be a gray area between the two, depending on who's looking at it, but there's a difference.

That said.. makes you weaker? Taking Excedrin for a headache will make you weaker too, since you're using something else to help you. As others have said about many other things, everything can be bad *in excess*, and porn is no exception. Not everyone here is watching streaming videos or VHS tapes five times a day.

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As others have said about many other things, everything can be bad *in excess*, and porn is no exception. Not everyone here is watching streaming videos or VHS tapes five times a day.

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Excess of porn? that's quite a concept! VHS tapes (say 3hrs long) 5 times a day sounds about right to me, after all, I have to sleep and eat....


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yes, sex in itself is a beautiful thing. BUT-dont you think being an outsider looking in on a situation like that is just demented and wrong? you CANNOT say that pornography is beautiful. it wasnt even created to be beautiful. it was created to tap into something completely unnatural about people and exploit it like it was nothing. it is part of a great demoralization of mankind that puts the weak in power of the potentially strong. you cant take something that we, as human beings hold sacred (love, sex..etc) and make it as easy to experience as clicking onto a website or renting a videotape. that DOES make you a weaker person. and it DOES put money in the pockets of people that are just dying to see that happen to everyone. that gives them power over you and i think that alone should be enough reason to not mix up your priorities so childishly and continue to fill their pockets with your taste for nonsense.

She showed you.
I think shes right. Can someone tell me where the beauty is? Beauty makes people stronger and freer. What is so strengthening about pornography? What is so free? Corrupting an impulse is not freedom. Man has urges to kill other men almost as frequently as he does to copulate, is there beauty in watching a disturbed serial killer mutilate people?
To advance a rebuttal before someone brings up the false logic, Id like to offer: Im not equating sexuality with murder, so drop the torches and tell the atrophied mob to go home. My motive for the comparison is this: Everyone is justifying porn as beneficial beause copulating is a natural impulse. So is cleaving the skulls of people who disagree with you.

voy�eur [voy y�r , vw y�r ] (plural voy�eurs) noun

1. somebody who watches for sexual pleasure: somebody who is sexually excited by looking, especially secretly, at other people's naked bodies or the sexual acts in which they participate

2. persistent observer of misery or scandal: somebody who is fascinated with, or persistently observes, distressing, sordid, or scandalous topics or events


[Early 20th century. From French, literally "one who sees," from voir "to see," from Latin videre .]

If it is not for you then all you can say is "It's not for me". And trying to tell someone that they are wrong for enjoying something that has nothing to do with you, Makes you the one who is wrong. What makes you or anyone else so Holy as to pass judgment on someone else. Even a friend spouse or relative. You can not say it is rite or wrong only that it is or isn't for you.

To say it is not natural is just Stupid. And to Bitch about it is Petty.

So you can go through life being a "Stupid, Petty, Bitch" if you want. After all it is your short miserable life. But I intend to enjoy every sec. of mine.

So if someone enjoys looking at porn hey its there life and the have the rite to enjoy it. It does not affect me in anyway so I could care less.

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No...I don't think being an outsider and looking at a situation like that is demented and wrong. Why would that make it demented and wrong? I'm not saying it IS beautiful. I'm saying it can be. I know it can be for me.

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you cant take something that we, as human beings hold sacred (love, sex..etc) and make it as easy to experience as clicking onto a website or renting a
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We, you assume we all do. What do you exactly mean by sacred? When I look at porn I'm not experiencing that great almighty sacred sex. But I would expect that you are against masturbation just as much? Because where's the sacred sex there? Fondling yourself to bring pleasure cheapens the act of sacred sex. Right?


Beauty doesn't necessarily make people stronger and freer. I don't know where you get that. Let's just say that porn is never beautiful, not for anyone. Now it's sexually pleasurable and exciting. Where is the problem?? Is pleasure bad? I get pleasure when I look at porn, is it just the wrong kind of pleasure? This is hilarious.

1st definition for beauty from Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary, "the quality that is present in a thing or person giving INTENSE PLEASURE or deep satisfaction to the mind. It arises from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), from a meaningful design or pattern, or from something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest)."

So that speaks for its fucking self.

It said of the mind...not the dick.

And sexuality is sacred. It is one of the things that seperate us from apes. People like you take it for granted. You make regression into apedom probable and sometimes openly wish for it. For those of us more evolved than apes in our conciousness, sexuality is sacred. It makes us human. Pornography cheapens sexuality. It cheapens what makes us human.

And I get intense pleasure of the mind from it. Also to my dick. It fits the definition. It certainly can be beautiful.
I'd say things are the other way around, since...other apes and animals haven't evolved to the point of creating pornography. They haven't made cameras or anything like that. I'd guess that we are the ones that enjoy sex the most and that's why we also have pornography. Totally the other way around.

Watching porn to help yourself masturbate, or to help you and a partner get in the mood, is a shortcut; the long road is using your imagination. So, if you want to make the case that overuse of porn can start to deaden the imagination, at least sexually, I'd say that's a fair statement in most cases.

The only way it could make you a weaker person overall is if you wind up addicted to it.. which can happen with anything, therefore, isn't solely a porn-related problem. Vague mentions of "demoralizing" us is far from showing everyone what's what.. and, last I checked, despite what porn I might view, not a dime of my money winds up in the hands of those who make it, and anyone so inclined to take advantage of the massive amounts of freebies around can do the same.

A lot of things have been claimed to be demoralizing over the centuries. The two of you talking about porn now is hardly different than the way that, for example, masturbation was seen for a very long time. I don't see you knocking anyone for whacking off. Truths come to light slowly..

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Pornography is not in our nature.

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You my boy are a fantasist, men and women having being looking at each other naked with and without permission since the beginning of time.

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Carpe Aptenodytes!

Hi
Found you by accident whilst researching for an English Assignment!! Result!

Needless to say the essay has been f*cked off in favour of discussing porn with complete strangers...

Thought all you mis-guided men in the world ought to know what a complete bunch of wanking porn queens we ladies can be!

I am aware that there are women out there who wouldn't dream of wanking or watching porn. Tragic.

In the early hours, just before dawn, whilst still under the influence of the previous nights chemical intake , there is nothing better than watching an attractive couple fuck the living daylights out of each other!

Multiple orgasms guaranteed. God, I love to come and I often wonder if it's possible for a bloke to achieve the same degree of body-aching bliss....

Anyway, have said more than enough!
Still got that essay to do......

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Needless to say the essay has been f*cked off in favour of discussing porn with complete strangers...

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Gotta respect the pr0n-discussion-over-schoolwork choice..

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Originally posted by Sweet Victory:
yes, sex in itself is a beautiful thing. BUT-dont you think being an outsider looking in on a situation like that is just demented and wrong? you CANNOT say that pornography is beautiful. it wasnt even created to be beautiful. it was created to tap into something completely unnatural about people and exploit it like it was nothing. it is part of a great demoralization of mankind that puts the weak in power of the potentially strong. you cant take something that we, as human beings hold sacred (love, sex..etc) and make it as easy to experience as clicking onto a website or renting a videotape. that DOES make you a weaker person. and it DOES put money in the pockets of people that are just dying to see that happen to everyone. that gives them power over you and i think that alone should be enough reason to not mix up your priorities so childishly and continue to fill their pockets with your taste for nonsense.

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my fucking god woman what are you like some damn moralist/robot/child who likes to ignore her carnel desires or are u just between the ages of 5 to 13????? god i read your posts and thank u very much u made me laughs so hard i think i broke a rib LOLOLOLOLOL as far as retarded people look at porn i have never seen a retard even have much of a sexual desire beyond whanking off in his bedroom or sometimes in the case of movies ive seen one get relativly attatched to his vacuumcleaner...SNICKER...as for u i think u should go rent the movie passion and jack off to it for a few minutes ether that or cum talk to me sometime i will show u exactly what porn can do to a willing person u fucking sheltered baby u

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i think u should go rent the movie passion and jack off to it for a few minutes

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im pretty sure sweet victory is female so that would be impossible

girls jack off too...wel not jack off, but masturbate

WTF is all this? Everyone arguing over Porn? Porn is porn, who cares? I for one don't need/care for it, But thasbesidthepoint. The point is, is that porn can be for everybody. It's true, Porn of some sort has been human nature forever. We've been doing it ever since we came around in the grand scheme of things.
Sweet victory, You've just got to loosten up. Who cares??? Try getting KazaA, and downloading "Angel Viel", it's as tasteful as Porn can get. (It's merely a stripper.)
For me, It's long since Deleted, But You ought to take a look. I thought it was beautiful.

Fred- youre right i dont masturbate and i never have. i would feel like a complete dirtbag if i did. and no i have never felt any desire to either, so i am not ignoring any carnal urges, Code. there is something sacred anout sex but nothing about pornography or masturbation. its just people fornicating onscreen to homosexual dance club music and fake orgasms.

Lifesucks- nope. thanks for your opinion on tasteful pornography, but i am not a lesbian who would find pleasure in watching a paid stipper dance around a pole for me. nor am i deprived and single, so i find no need in watching something like that. by the way, im not uptight because i dont watch porn. porn doesnt make you all cool and loose and free, it makes you one of those greasy "losers" from high school who traded tapes all the time, and whose hand you never wanted to touch cause you knew it was on it genitals 95% of the day.

Code- are you 12?

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Fred- youre right i dont masturbate and i never have.

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This alone differentiates you from 95% of the people in the world. If you've never had the desire to masturbate, how can you possibly know what fascination or usefulness porn holds for those who have?

Going back a whole bunch of posts: Rome, Greece, Egypt, back in the early days did not produce pornography. They produced works of art to worship the human vessel. Until Christianity and vanity came along orgies, masturbation, sexual intercourse and the human body were good hearty worshipped things.

>>>>Going back a whole bunch of posts: Rome, Greece, Egypt, back in the early days did not produce pornography. They produced works of art to worship the human vessel.<<<<

Yeah. Naked people are beautiful. Pornography is by definition degrading. Degrading is be definition not beautiful.

>>>>>Until Christianity and vanity came along orgies, masturbation, sexual intercourse and the human body were good hearty worshipped things.<<<<

Sweet Victory is saying Sex is sacred. You worship sacred things. Pornography cheapens sexuality. It no longer makes it an object of worship. Are you arguing against us, cause if so that was real weak dude.
Haha, and, "until...vanity came along." LoL Yeah it popped up on a calendar. LoL

I'm not arguing against porn. I was just adding my one cent. I like porn. I was just saying years ago it was the worship of the human body. I suppose today it still is, but in a different way. Some of it is degrading, some of it is for just ones own pleasure. But it's all good.

porn is the best...seeing girls like jenna or jill just makes it 1000x better.

and to that girl that says she never masturbated...shes lying or she is a guy who is lying...there is noone who never , ever once masturbated...

Yes there is. Shes one of them.

i would fuck someone i dont know, so ha!
btw i am a w4nk3r and so are most people. so 95% of the human population is evil, and 5% is good.

I think higher than 95%.

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I think strong and weak are better markers than good and evil. But 95% is a good guess as to how many are weak and defeated, who squander their sexuality as yet another escapist vent. Ah-ha.

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I think strong and weak are better markers than good and evil. But 95% is a good guess as to how many are weak and defeated, who squander their sexuality as yet another escapist vent. Ah-ha.

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Defiant, we come back to a basic flaw. You are assuming absolute evil or as you put it "weakness" exists and is to be takes as fact.

Weakness only exists via a comparison on a scale we all agree on. We must agree that something is less worth while then something else in order for this to make sence.

You need to prove that it is a universal fact that societies around the world (or at the very least western society) views weakness in the way you do, and has the same value set you do. I somehow can't see you making this argument. All we are left with then is you trying to proof something based on an a priori assumpiton that is is true.

This is a circular argument unless you prove that your scale is absolute (hence that is can be argues a priori) OR that is a shared value as part of a shared value system and can be proved statistically.

Weak means not strong. Strong means not weak. Strong peoples enslave weak ones. Strong peoples all over the world have strong family units and strong pair bonds. Weak peoples usually dont. The ones that do, amazingly, advance rather easily.

go magician, lol

and defiant

casual sex does not make one weak
Would you call the Boxer ali weak?
ha
Tell that to him

Your main flaw is that you express your opinion as fact

a ha

It isnt my opinion that slaves are sexually chimp-like, and masters form strong pair bonds. That is history.


>>>casual sex does not make one weak<<<<

Yes it does. As a matter of fact, even thinking it is acceptable is a sign of deep-seated psychological weakness dealing with attachment and acceptance issues.

>>>>Would you call the Boxer ali weak?
ha
Tell that to him<<<<

You mean Muhammed Ali? If so thats pretty sad, hes a Muslim, I cant think of many creeds on Earth more opposed to casual sex than Islam. If not, I have no idea who youre talking about.

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let�s say of the pubescent people, I don�t think that you started your first experiences when you were 4.

BTW, a lot of girls don�t even know how to masturbate.

Oh wait. I read it too quickly. I thought he/she was saying that only like 95% of people masturbate and I said that it's probably higher.

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How quickly every argument crystalises into two diametrically opposed views. We may have started off talking about porn, but by the ned og page two it was all metaphysics and moral philosophy. Hopefully some sort of synthesis will emerge on page 5, following the thesis that porn is ok and the antithesis that porn is an evil strange thing for the spiritually maladjusted. Hopefully the aforemention synthesis will also find a way to incorporate the silencing of Defiant, as he/she is an irritating self-righteous pratt. Never has there been a person born who deserved to mention the name of Plato less

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