If you were so inclined you could do it all over again, you can almost feel the gap waiting to be filled. If you study how Hitler led Germany and how he drove his country to such evil extremes of mankind, its clear to see you could reproduce this so easily. Not much has changed in fifty years gone by especially people. The nuclear bomb when introduced meant so much now so wide spread means so little.
People think that Hitler got his power over the world from being evil or racist, both he was but what brought him to power were much more simple human needs. I am just glad that most racists don�t read books.

It could happen again, within the last ten years it nearly has several times and it may yet happen. The only way we can ever try to stop it from happening again is knowing that evil is always around the corner waiting for an opportunity to creep in, people need to think when they vote, and when they speak.

I LIKE WAFFLES WITH JAM TOO!!!!

History classes...?

yea ive done a bit on hilters rise but wouldn't the political situation have to be choas?... world in a bad state? and dumb people everywhere? *looks around* ah i see your point, good thing racists don't read book indeed!!

Hurricane

Oh puhleeze! Do you really think that Hitler would have had a chance if Germany hadn't been screwed so badly by the Treaty of Versailles?

Yes he would have. Hitler was a pretty disgrunteled man. The Treaty of Versailes was just another way to fuel the hatred towards England and France.

I doubt it. Sympathy toward Germany was present in other countries due to the implementation of the Treaty of Versailles, and Hitler wouldn't have gotten the concessions and leniency he needed to rebuild Germany and begin his initial expansion.

If the Treaty of Versailles hadn't been implemented, the German people would have been much less "angry" with their European neighbors, and the Germans would have lived a sustainable post-war lifestyle.

And unless the country starting a Hitleresque war had nukes, they would get the shit kicked out of them. The countries *with* nukes are so closely monitored by the international community in every way that there wouldn't be a chance for any such thing to occur.


peace out.
sph3ric pyramid.




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Oh puhleeze! Do you really think that Hitler would have had a chance if Germany hadn't been screwed so badly by the Treaty of Versailles?

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No I don�t think he would, I know he would. As you seem to have observed troublesome times do help you along if you offer the promise of better days for your people. But it was far from only the fall out from ww1 that allowed Hitler to do what he did, look at Serbia and you will see that hate is by far the most powerful emotion. You just have to inspire it in the hearts of your men, how to do this is all the more simple. Just as the Germans embraced Hitler for his ways of inspiring national pride back into the hearts of citizens of a post war broken nation, every man on this planet could be just so easily persuaded to commit such horrors of mankind if they hated enough. Unfortunately for us all, hate just seems to be the easiest emotion to bring out in people. For instance in Europe the asylum question, if played correctly by a clever man who was so inclined could easily be used for quick rise to power, and then anything is possible. Look at France less than a year ago they nearly elected a far right government, this feeling is reflected around the world. Even I would find it hard to resist many things to stop these people taking advantage of my nations sympathetic asylum system, I would vote in any party willing to really sort out the problem with illegal immigrants. Push me far enough and I would even vote in a prominently racist party, even though I don�t doubt they would do more harm than good as I have already said hate is by far the more powerful emotion.

hibbert...hi...hi...hibbert?

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I doubt it. Sympathy toward Germany was present in other countries due to the implementation of the Treaty of Versailles, and Hitler wouldn't have gotten the concessions and leniency he needed to rebuild Germany and begin his initial expansion.

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And so, what can the world do if a member of the EU decides it wants to triple its forces in size. If anything the pressure is there to expand military force today if anything. And what if a nation decided it wanted to elect a far right government, it has very nearly happened in places over the last few years and why shouldn�t it. In a democracy the people should be able to elect any party they wish to represent them, and then face any consequences of that decision in whole.

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If the Treaty of Versailles hadn't been implemented, the German people would have been much less "angry" with their European neighbors, and the Germans would have lived a sustainable post-war lifestyle.

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People always have something they can be angry about, do you think there are not countries out there now in similar predicaments to post ww1 Germany. How do you think anti US hate has blossomed so well in the middle east, How do you think the far right is enjoying growing support in Europe today.

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And unless the country starting a Hitleresque war had nukes, they would get the shit kicked out of them. The countries *with* nukes are so closely monitored by the international community in every way that there wouldn't be a chance for any such thing to occur.

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I doubt that, my point was that if ww3 was to ever occur it would be likely to an extent all sides would want to keep nukes out of the war. The USA dropped the atomic bomb on Japan in ww2 because Japan had no nuclear capability to return. If however today war broke out between North Korea and the USA I am quite sure both sides would want to avoid provoking Nuclear attack from the other. I am sure that with a sizable air force any nuclear state in the world could easily deploy a nuclear bomb to any enemy. But of course that would never happen, the USA will probably just illegally wage economic terrorism on North Korea until any military capability they possibly had is long gone. I for one hope the South Korea kick the US out for good, like it has shit to do with them, as long as they understand they wont be coming back.


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viper2002, ever with a salient point, but i wonder why you're so cynical? i would much rather see "the USA...just illegally wage economic terrorism on North Korea until any military capability they possibly had is long gone," than to see millions slaughtered in bloody war. i mean, what is legality, anyway, when you're dealing with an empire?

it's relative.

Viper2002, I don't think you've properly examined the correlation between NSDAP support and the economic state of the nation. People voted for Hitler because they want someone to sort out their problems, not because they wanted to send Jews to their death in Poland.

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Viper2002, I don't think you've properly examined the correlation between NSDAP support and the economic state of the nation. People voted for Hitler because they want someone to sort out their problems, not because they wanted to send Jews to their death in Poland.

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That was the point I was trying to make, I guess this means I didn�t make it very well.

Hitler used appeasement to lure the country aswell, it was easier for him because the country needed a shitload of help. If you think about it, all you need is to know what your country wants (even if it's really bizzare) and promise it to them, but make sure it's stuff that no other parties can promise, then when u get more power, burn down the houses of parliament framing your rival party and keep feeding the country bullshit promises, then scare the shit out of the other parties by starting an english Gestapo and scare them out of parliament.
if you can manage to forge a dictatorship then bob's ur father's brother. (just remember to get a helicopter and two aston martins to impress the country)

boy, where to start. first of all, i think nukes should be thrown into the sun. second, hitler was offering germany a way out of the shithole. i wont say anything more cause its already been said before. george bush is quickly becoming hitler, and instead of jews its muslims. do we have a solid, undeniable reason to invade Iraq? no. no. no. nuff said.

At first, Hitler did not want to execute the race of jews, cripples, blacks, and homosexuals. He simply wanted to conquer different countries. The majority of the population at the time, agreed with Hitler, and his future doings. That is why he had so many loyal people to serve him and his Nazi party. They felt the same way as Hitler did about the jews, cripples, blacks, and homosexuals. In the long run, Stalin was much worse than Hitler.

I was wondering when some hitler/bush comparisons would start happening. Yes bush is trying to imitate hitler and gain braod expansionist power over the middle east, no it will not work.

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At first, Hitler did not want to execute the race of jews, cripples, blacks, and homosexuals. He simply wanted to conquer different countries. The majority of the population at the time, agreed with Hitler, and his future doings. That is why he had so many loyal people to serve him and his Nazi party. They felt the same way as Hitler did about the jews, cripples, blacks, and homosexuals. In the long run, Stalin was much worse than Hitler.

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if he didn't want to exterminate these ppl from the start, then when did he make the leap to genocide? in kaffe klatsch?

i agree about stalin.

i think you guys are giving dubya way too much credit, tho. try as he might, he's just not smart enough to enact such megalomaniacal expansionism. he's gonna rattle his sabre, bomb some sand, and hopefully fall short of precipitating a nuke/chem/bio war.


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And so, what can the world do if a member of the EU decides it wants to triple its forces in size. If anything the pressure is there to expand military force today if anything. And what if a nation decided it wanted to elect a far right government, it has very nearly happened in places over the last few years and why shouldn�t it. In a democracy the people should be able to elect any party they wish to represent them, and then face any consequences of that decision in whole.

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By saying this, your Hitler analogy kinda goes out the window. The EU isn't exactly recovering from a war in which it's members were beating the shit out of each other, with the aid of international intervention.

The Treaty of Versailles was implemented specifically for the purposes of limiting Germany's post-war capabilities for territorial and economical expansion.

And you realize the Nazis were elected under the weak Weimar democracy which the majority of Germans hated anyway. And to even say "elected" is a stretch; Hitler secured power by first appearing on the political scene, winning a few positions, then utilizing his rather large private army for the rest. I doubt that there are any such "weak" democracies in the EU that would allow the establishment of a large private army. Should one nation attempt to expand, the EU (and NATO (+ Russia)) + UN would be in their face.

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People always have something they can be angry about, do you think there are not countries out there now in similar predicaments to post ww1 Germany. How do you think anti US hate has blossomed so well in the middle east, How do you think the far right is enjoying growing support in Europe today.

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Not that I know of, with a similar infrastructure, similar positioning, and similar status in the international arena. Countries in the Middle East do not compare well at all to post-war Germany. Again, even if "tensions" did erupt, the U.S. has more than enough military and political, and economic clout to put down any country in the world. Using the U.S.A. as a scapegoat won't exactly get far enough to pose a threat to neighboring countries. Not to mention the location of the U.S as opposed to the European Jews in Hitler's day.

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I doubt that, my point was that if ww3 was to ever occur it would be likely to an extent all sides would want to keep nukes out of the war. The USA dropped the atomic bomb on Japan in ww2 because Japan had no nuclear capability to return. If however today war broke out between North Korea and the USA I am quite sure both sides would want to avoid provoking Nuclear attack from the other. I am sure that with a sizable air force any nuclear state in the world could easily deploy a nuclear bomb to any enemy. But of course that would never happen, the USA will probably just illegally wage economic terrorism on North Korea until any military capability they possibly had is long gone. I for one hope the South Korea kick the US out for good, like it has shit to do with them, as long as they understand they wont be coming back.

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The Mutually Assured Destruction principle only applies to countries which actually care enough about their people to prevent them being killed, and have a lot to lose economically if they get nuked (i.e. "first-world" countries)(this is a serious simplification, but...). That's why countries like Iraq and North Korea are seen as "rogue states" and "dangerous".

I fail to see the relevance of nukes to the overthrow of a democratic government by a to-be Hitleresque dictator. First of all, most nuclear powers are highly developed nations, which are highly productive and therefore quite stable. Then you have countries like Pakistan and North Korea. These countries leave no room for unrest, and no room for a man like Hitler to come into power. The conditions are too unsuitable, especially if you see the differences between the Weimar Republic and the governments of those countries.

Nukes *do* mean quite a bit even now, and the MAD principle lives on, even with globalization taking place.

Although I don't exactly see your point here, if you take North Korea vs. U.S.A., yes, the U.S.A. will hesitate to deploy nukes, fearing nuclear retaliation, and will use conventional arms.

North Korea, on the other hand, will be much more likely to use nukes (if they have them), as they have no chance against the U.S. when faced even with only conventional arms. They'll use them to "level the playing field".

Which is one of the reasons why the U.S. and other developed countries want to stop nuclear proliferation, as third-world countries with nukes will in theory be much more trigger-happy.

This puts the developed countries at a severe disadvantage in dealing with them. In the long run, third-world countries eventually become first-world countries, and stopping nuclear proliferation puts those developing countries at a disadvantage, as they have to rely on the "original" nuclear states for protection under their umbrella.

And, of course, any developing country with WMDs is seen as a rogue state. All of which points to a conspiracy by the U.S. and U.S. allies to dominate the world!!!! (no, not really, I'm only kidding. But it's a remote possibility).

Anyway. I shouldn't try to think at 3 in the morning.

But I'm not saying that you're entirely wrong. My point is that it's 99.9% impossible for someone to seize power by the same paths that Hitler did, and bend the nation to his power.

I think it's possible for a man to seize power, but not in the way Hitler did, and not in the same type of highly industrialized country. And so, there's no real reason to worry/think about it. If such a government came into power, they would highly isolated and wouldn't be able to do *anything* on the scale Hitler did before being "removed".

And so on. All of this is sort of hard to put concisely.


peace out.
sph3ric pyramid.

hitler and the nazis were able to come into power because the country was a wreck and the econemy was so bad after the first world war. then when he was elected he changed things so that no one else could ever be elected untill he died. that would not be able to happen today

It's hip boot time again kids,

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Which President/World leader do you want to start with? I would suggest starting with Hitler's contempories ... Frankie, Benito, Uncle Joe, and Winston and the go whatever direction you like from there.

Nox

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people need to think when they vote, and when they speak.

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Seriously, what country do you live in? People do not have enough time to inform themselves. Well, maybe except seniors, and you can make them vote in one's favor if you can scare them enough. We have two parties that are so similiar, people often feel no need to vote, it's practically an autocracy.

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If you were so inclined you could do it all over again, you can almost feel the gap waiting to be filled. If you study how Hitler led Germany and how he drove his country to such evil extremes of mankind, its clear to see you could reproduce this so easily. Not much has changed in fifty years gone by especially people. The nuclear bomb when introduced meant so much now so wide spread means so little.
People think that Hitler got his power over the world from being evil or racist, both he was but what brought him to power were much more simple human needs. I am just glad that most racists don�t read books.

It could happen again, within the last ten years it nearly has several times and it may yet happen. The only way we can ever try to stop it from happening again is knowing that evil is always around the corner waiting for an opportunity to creep in, people need to think when they vote, and when they speak.

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1. Germany was GUIDED by Hitler, not led. He made the necessary decisions to get Germany out of Jewish Purgatory clear and the Germany people implemented the ideas they came up with using their own abilities and manpower.

2. The evil extremes involved the decision by American, Russian and British Whites to destroy their own bloodkin because Bob Hope told them to do it. Germany was a reborn Heaven in a global sea of jewish misery.

3. There was nothing easy about it. Hitler struggled against incredible odds, his National Socialist party struggled against incredible odds, Germany struggled against incredible odds and did not have any respite from their fruitful toil.

4. Almost everything has changed in the last 50 years, including the emergence of one island around Iceland, not to mention the annihilation of Europe by America and Britian and the annihilation of America by Negros and Mexicans. Not to mention the advanced brainwashing and total perversion of the minds of boring, airheaded idiots like yourself by the jewish media monster.

5. Nuclear bombs cannot allow one to control anything. They destroy infrastructure which a ruler would need and once you use them up you are at the mercy of those who have some left and/or have a superior Army.

6. Hitler was brilliant and had tremendous heart. He was there when Germany and the entire world most needed him to save them from jewish domination. He was refused by the ignorant and/or pigheaded Whites of America and Britain.

7. You are a slab of filth. Most racists are very well read and have souls, unlike yourselves. I am reading a Science Encyclopedia supplemented by Popular Science textbooks at the moment, as an example. I have read at least 80 books in the past 10 years, most of which are nice sized novels such as Les Miserables and technical manuals.
I do not have the extensive collection of Star Trek novels as yourself but consider myself at the very least your vast superior in the arena of Reality and Common Sense.

8. Keep voting and praying asshole.

First of all, I would like to say that Hitler wasn't really the "leader," it was all of the people behind the chair. Yes I agree that Hitler was a strong hearted man, and he was a genius (although evil). And there are many much sicker men than Hitler. Take Joseph Georbols for instance, he tried to steralize men and women, change eye colors by inserting chemicals into eyes, and the sickest of all, he tried to sew twins together to see if they would stay. To understand most evil people, you have to understand the people that follow him, there are many people that are just as evil or even more evil as I said before.

I also have to point out that the only reason that Hitler went after the Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, cripples, etc., was because he needed more support, so he used propaganda to lead the German people into believing that the above were all evil. And then after giving the German people something to think about, he and his chairman made a plan to institute the killing of the above, thus giving the people what they want.

And about the hurling of the nuclear weapons into the sun, I think that you have been watching a little bit to much Superman, but it is a good idea.

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1. Germany was GUIDED by Hitler, not led.

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So you think it was the German people and not the far right leadership who made the decision to exterminate millions of innocent Jewish and other such innocent families, I didn�t know they held a referendum retard. Although the end responsibility does have to lie with them, I would be shocked if the majority of German civilians could have even began to comprehend the pain and suffering Hitler�s regime was inflicting on innocents all over the world. If Hitler had only an ounce of intelligence, which is no doubt debatable he would have done everything he could to hide these injustices from the German people. Empire can only succeed in battle with the majority of ones people united in the idea they are fighting a just battle. I think quite a lot of Germans may have began to lose support for Hitler�s regime if they new he was burning children and their mothers to death to save bullets for other people.

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He made the necessary decisions to get Germany out of Jewish Purgatory clear and the Germany people implemented the ideas they came up with using their own abilities and manpower.

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Your vermin, The Jewish purgatory, you make me cry with laughter. I hate poorly educated white trash like yourself with a passion beyond anything the Nazis felt for Jews. But I have no wish to exterminate you on the contrary your lowlife types are of no remote threat to me so why should I.

The millions of people the Nazi regime murdered and tortured for years were innocent. You have no idea of the pain and suffering that was inflicted on these people that you are condoning, but racists don�t. You know nothing but what you think you can try to use to backup your corrupted ideas of superiority to anybody. Don�t you understand one innocent Jew is worth millions of lowlife inbred white trash losers like yourself?

Your all just the same blind fools who need somebody to blame for your own problems and lacking. Your types are inferior to every man on this planet and you�re the only ones who don�t know. If you were aiming to disprove that racists are not poorly educated fools you have only done achieved the opposite. Your not a Nazi, you have no leader, you are just some lowlife from the US with the typical upbringing and education one would expect for one of your class.

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2. The evil extremes involved the decision by American, Russian and British Whites to destroy their own bloodkin because Bob Hope told them to do it. Germany was a reborn Heaven in a global sea of jewish misery.

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What�s your brain disorder idiot?

I cant believe this trailer trash could stretch his stupidity to try and imply guilt on the allied side in WW2, if you don�t think destroying the lives of tens of millions of people is evil then you are not only stupid beyond belief but quite sad to. The Nazis were not only intent with wiping out all of Germanise Jews but also all those of Europe, not to mention wanting to seize control of many if not all of these countries and implement a German regime.

These people you are worshiping were no doubt far better in body and mind than you will ever be but they were still just miss led losers, who failed in their plot.

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3. There was nothing easy about it. Hitler struggled against incredible odds, his National Socialist party struggled against incredible odds, Germany struggled against incredible odds and did not have any respite from their fruitful toil.

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I believe they would have had a much more easy time in the last hundred years if they had not set out to kill tens of millions of innocent people twice, you fucking idiot. Hitler was carried to power by no more than racial hared for the same German Jews who had already suffered enough in WW1, there was no struggle apart from that to destroy the lives of as many people as possible.

Winston Churchill�s Great Britain fought the real and right struggle in WW2 and won, but of course you don�t base your racist drivel on facts do you retard. Look at a history book retard Germany was the only nation in Europe prepared for the war it inflicted on the world.

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4. Almost everything has changed in the last 50 years, including the emergence of one island around Iceland, not to mention the annihilation of Europe by America and Britian and the annihilation of America by Negros and Mexicans.

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You amuse me nothing has changed its all cosmetic, its just the same as it has always has been. The Nuclear bomb has little more significance than that of firearms to war at the times of their relative arrival on the weapons scene. Last time I checked the US had not been annihilated, what makes you all the more stupid is that your racisms only basis is your own idiocy. Which you by all means have an abundance of.

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Not to mention the advanced brainwashing and total perversion of the minds of boring, airheaded idiots like yourself by the jewish media monster.

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Lol, you just keep on getting better. I think you shouldn�t drink alcoholic beverages, you obviously cant afford to lose any of those dysfunctional brain cells you inherited from your whore of a white trash mother.

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5. Nuclear bombs cannot allow one to control anything. They destroy infrastructure which a ruler would need and once you use them up you are at the mercy of those who have some left and/or have a superior Army.

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Does this have a point or are your babbling retardations totally lacking any point or structure?

This if anything backs up my stance on Nuclear weapons.

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I bet he would still think you are the piece of low life shit the rest of us do. Tremendous heart, you mean a tremendous lacking of heart. Only an n idiot like you could say that a man who killed tens of millions of innocent people in some of the worst ways known to man has tremendous heart. When did he use this heart of his, when his regime lined up children�s heads to save shooting squads rounds of ammunition as if their lives were worth less than the precious bullets needed to kill them. When he ordered France and its people would be burned to the ground rather than fall back into allied hands.

You really are fucking vermin, what a little man; do you feel big condoning the murder of innocent children and their poor families?

Fucking cockroach.

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He was there when Germany and the entire world most needed him to save them from jewish domination. He was refused by the ignorant and/or pigheaded Whites of America and Britain..

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Silly me I had been under the impression that much of Europe, Russia, Canada, Australia, and the middle east had assisted Great Britain and the late entering US in stopping Germany in its fit of miss led, pointless murderous rampage of evil against humanity.

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This is what makes your particular breed of vermin interesting, you seem to have some strange idea that anyone could except you being superior to anyone or anything. I am afraid we do nothing but pity you.

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Your so damaged its untrue, my soul is pure as is my blood you barely class as a member of the human race. I look at your type as I look at all social perverts, you are no better than a paeofile or other sickening creature that emerges from your inherited low life blood. In fact there may very well be a close corrolation between the two, as you both seem to condone the unconable act of harming innocent children.

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I am reading a Science Encyclopedia supplemented by Popular Science textbooks at the moment, as an example.

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Lol, stop it your cracking me up. Any intelligent human being reading your attempts to add any intelligence to your lowlife ill educated persona will be no more than presently surprised at your failings to do so.

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I have read at least 80 books in the past 10 years, most of which are nice sized novels such as Les Miserables and technical manuals.

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Lol, well although I know your figure will be at the least tripled even that seems to be beyond you. But then trailer park weekly and motor home monthly haven�t been known to inspire much sense into such brain dead fools as yourself.

It is not surprising you feel the need to try and add some proof of a pursuit of intellectual gain on you part but it is wasted on us, we can all see what you are. I would be shocked if you have any qualifications or even minimum education behind you but then you are only 12, well at least that�s your mental age.

I feel no need to prove anything about my education as obviously my posts speak for themselves.

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I don�t actually have any star trek novels, nor have I ever found science fiction interesting or entertaining in the slightest. I always aside from its other lackings found the idea that aliens would have arms legs and heads a little presumptuous.

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but consider myself at the very least your vast superior in the arena of Reality and Common Sense.

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Well its okay that you do because nobody else does.

Is this the same guy who said allies are to blame for WW2 because we resisted the idea that massacring millions of innocents was okay?

You�re a retard, common sense; lol I bet you haven�t even learnt that putting your hand into a fire is a bad idea yet.

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Lol, when I said people should be careful who they vote for, it wasn�t because I thought some ill educated, poverty stricken, white trash retard every stood a chance of doing anything in his life but drag down the level of society. You couldn�t tie your shoelaces without assistance never mind grasp an ounce of respect or power even from your own inferior kind, no matter how bad their situation.

Now go make some tomato ketchup sandwiches you idiotic lowlife.