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Old 2002-09-26, 11:51
louieklouie louieklouie is offline
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2002-09-25-opcom_x.htm


09/25/2002 - Updated 11:06 PM ET

White House 'Bonesman' leads nation into the dark

By Alexandra Robbins

"My senior year (at Yale University) I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society," President Bush wrote in his autobiography, "so secret, I can't say anything more."

He doesn't have to. He's practically turning the government into a secret society - an old-boy, throwback establishment that even holds its secret spy-court proceedings in an elaborately locked, windowless room that sounds similar to the Bones' elaborately locked, practically windowless "tomb," or campus clubhouse.

Bush, a loyal and particularly active member of Skull and Bones, a mysterious, historically misogynist Yale-based secret society, seems to have done almost all he can to promote a level of secrecy in government not seen since the Nixon administration:

* Last month, Bush-appointed Assistant Attorney General Robert McCallum, a member of Bush's 1968 Skull and Bones class, filed pleadings in U.S. District Court seeking to extend executive privilege to any government official in pardon cases; the move makes information on presidential pardons more secret than it has ever been.
* After 9/11, without initially telling Congress, Bush assembled a shadow government assigned to secret bunkers somewhere on the East Coast. He also tried to cut off some members of Congress from classified information about the anti-terrorist campaign.
* The USA Patriot Act Bush eagerly signed lets the FBI - with permission from a secret Washington "spy court" - view some customer records; store owners cannot reveal the review
* In October 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft released a memo encouraging federal agencies to withhold as much information as possible from the public.
* A month later, just before documents from the Reagan-Bush administration were to be released, Bush signed an executive order severely hindering public access to former presidents' records.
* Bush also signed legislation that jails or fines journalists who publish sensitive leaks, essentially reviving the Official Secrecy Act that President Clinton vetoed.

Bush has a "fetish for secrecy," Vanderbilt University professor emeritus Hugh Davis Graham, now deceased, told the National Journal earlier this year.

Granted, pressing issues of national security merit a level of secrecy. But security and secrecy are not always necessary companions, and some of these examples suggest secrecy for secrecy's sake, such as the pardons and the Reagan documents. Also, a government that operates in secret prevents its constituents from holding it accountable and so may be more prone to arbitrariness and ill-considered conduct. This administration may even be doing itself a disservice with its excess secrecy, which can cause people to conjure up much more malicious and elitist scenarios than may actually exist.

That is what has happened with Skull and Bones, which operates a powerful alumni network but, despite the lore, does not run a secret world government, collaborate with Nazis or require initiates to lie naked in a coffin.

Bonesmen have long helped Bush; he received a fair chunk of his early business financing from them and turned to them for help when he needed a job, investors and campaign assistance. Even his baseball-team purchase involved at least one Bonesman. As president, Bush has appointed fellow Bonesmen to high-level positions, such as Edward McNally, the general counsel of the Office on Homeland Security and senior associate counsel on national security. Yet, although one of his first social gatherings at the White House was a Skull and Bones reunion, Bush feigned ignorance when asked recently about Bones: "The thing is so secret that I'm not even sure it still exists," he replied.

Is it a coincidence that the federal government suddenly prioritizes secrecy when a Skull and Bones president is in power? Maybe. But there's no question that the Bush administration increasingly resembles the Bones' dark, locked tomb.

Alexandra Robbins is the author of Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power.
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Old 2002-09-26, 15:42
muddin97 muddin97 is offline
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i could tell you what this is all about but then i'd have to kill you
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Old 2002-09-26, 16:14
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http://www.totse.com/en/politics/the_world_beyond_the_usa/166661.html
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Old 2002-09-27, 02:58
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its all symbolic in a way that gives them a power trip and divine inspiration. but like most trips, if it goes on too long it turns bad, and then bad things happen, and keep on happening.
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Old 2002-09-27, 03:08
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I work for **** and now I'm sorry to say that this will all have to be shut down "bring in the team no. 12" "right mr.****, it's all been taken care of"
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Old 2002-09-27, 06:40
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If you think this is new or remotely unique to our current president, you should die. Cut it out with the cheap shots at Bush, its so miserable.
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Old 2002-09-27, 15:21
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What do you like about King George? He is after all the pro-Big Business "can't think on his own two feet" "mouth the arguments" idiot mouthpiece bar none for the today's "profits before people" All American Business Gestapo. And he was the worst of two evils in the last election. Did is say election... i meant installation. After all he was installed as President, not elected. What kind of elitist moron are you? There aren't only Conservatives in heaven in case you were wondering.

[This message has been edited by neon (edited 09-27-2002).]
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Old 2002-09-27, 18:45
Who's Your Daddy? Who's Your Daddy? is offline
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Hey, at least he bends to the will of *American* businesses, instead of foreign interests.

You must follow the Kyoto Accords:
Bush - It' not good for my nations economy.

You cant make a Missle Defense System:
Bush - Try and stop me.

You cant attack Iraq:
Bush - (diplomatically) Fuck off.


It's kind of nice to have a president with a backbone in the international forum.


Cheers,
Who's Your Daddy?
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Old 2002-09-27, 21:40
SATURNROCKETX SATURNROCKETX is offline
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quote:
Originally posted by Spirit of '22:
If you think this is new or remotely unique to our current president, you should die. Cut it out with the cheap shots at Bush, its so miserable.


Spirit there is only one single little thing "wrong with you", you don't read http://www.FAEM.com or you haven't been paying attention to what they have written. Your supporting Bush and yet you have made pro-White statements, there is a definite conflict as you'll see if visit FAEM.

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Old 2002-09-27, 21:48
majikchemist majikchemist is offline
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I'm itching to ask, how many of you voted in the past election? no really... how many, and who'd you vote for.... if you voted be my guest and complain...go ahead....if you didn't shut up and wait your turn... I'm 14 I couldn't vote... but if your so hell bent on gettin' your views recignized don't bitch about them, go and do them....start a fuckin' totse political party.....(sarcasm in the last prase)
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Old 2002-09-27, 21:52
ScrewThirdHeartbeat ScrewThirdHeartbeat is offline
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PLENTY of past presidents have been esteemed members of secret societies, nothing new here, just gives them a reason to circle jerk long into the night...
 
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