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 #1 
Old 2002-08-20, 12:49
J.C. Stanton J.C. Stanton is offline
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Default Arguing for Net Oppression

It's hard to believe that someone who can put two sentences together and who doesn't work for the government of China is arguing that all this freedom online sucks.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26612.html

He basically wants to be able to have each government install it's own controls on the Net, so that whiny European fucks won't be offended by speech they shouldn't have to see.

He could just move to China, because I think they have a system like this in place already. But most of the human rights organizations in the world are arguing that it's a BAD thing, and this dumb fuck wants to replicate it all over the world.

Don't forget to write him here: bill@andfinally.com and tell him what you think of his idea.

J.C.
jcstanton at totse dot com
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Old 2002-08-20, 13:17
MR.SMITH MR.SMITH is offline
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No worries J.C, that will never happen.
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Old 2002-08-20, 13:22
XeNobiTe XeNobiTe is offline
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He has some good point concerning the US governement, but the rest is crap. Not that I really give a damn. My main reason for using the Internet is stealin software, music and movies. So I don't care who controls what, just as long I get what I want.

[This message has been edited by XeNobiTe (edited 08-20-2002).]
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Old 2002-08-20, 13:32
josoboo3 josoboo3 is offline
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I don't really care what his Site was all about, i read enough of it before i almost died of boredom to write him a nice short letter of exactly how i felt about the whole thing lol.

Not my problem what goes on about control on NET, but the words control isn't a good thing, so i had to send him a little message VIA Email on what i think what Control.

Hey, if the Europeans can't hold their own, don't go crying about it, get a brain!
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Old 2002-08-20, 14:23
Pikey_jay Pikey_jay is offline
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Jesus, what an arsehole. Not all us Europeans think that way.
*looking for hardcore dutch porn links hidden in inbox*
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Old 2002-08-20, 14:35
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. But if we are to escape a world where corporations build systems which are only capable of supporting US-style online government, or where trusted software is a trojan horse carrying the US constitution into our online life when we neither want nor need it, then we need to act now.


but that is so fucking true J.C. That�s one of the reasons, why as a student in Germany, I can have legally every Microsoft product for free. Nobody�s interested in them anymore. After stuff like big socket XP, big spy Palladium, big trojan WMP and, although none of the security flaws of Scripts and ActiveX etc. have been solved, HTML 4.0 is declared to be dead and XHTML 2.0 will be the next standard.

It�s just like with the international court, the US don�t want to be a part of. But guess who takes german corporations to court because of the things that happened during World War II and because of supporting Apartheid in South Africa.

Welcome to free enterprise and democracy.

Either you walk with others together, or your we hate everyone because we are the best will isolate you. And we�re already fed up, we�re your closest friends ...
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Old 2002-08-20, 14:44
josoboo3 josoboo3 is offline
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I think the World should all Vote on a ''World Government'', as many countries can align with eachother that share the same interests, goals, etc. and pick their own Government.
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Old 2002-08-20, 16:24
J.C. Stanton J.C. Stanton is offline
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Getting away from the Microsoft/Intel standard is a great thing. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck their stupid security problems. Switch, by all means.

But he is arguing that each country should be able to regulate the Internet for POLITICAL purposes. That each country should be able to wall itself off from anything that it finds inconvienant.

Which means TOTSE wouldnt be allowed anywhere. Certainly not in most of Europe, which has many laws on speech, especially racist speech.

So whichever country you currently reside in(in Europe) would be deciding for you what you can see.

I don't even think that the idiot who wrote that article understands the real end result of his own system.

J.C.
jcstanton at totse dot com
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Old 2002-08-20, 21:31
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yes, but with the new Standard� XHTML 2.0, this is going to happen in a technically way ...
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Old 2002-08-21, 02:16
Alan Smithee Alan Smithee is offline
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I took to calling the register minitrue some months ago.
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Old 2002-08-21, 02:17
Alan Smithee Alan Smithee is offline
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Sides that how can Europe "take back" what was always american.
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Old 2002-08-21, 04:05
TOWCHBob TOWCHBob is offline
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Originally posted by BSK:
yes, but with the new Standard� XHTML 2.0, this is going to happen in a technically way ...



How so? I'm unfamilar with XHTML.
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Old 2002-08-21, 05:10
Knyfe Knyfe is offline
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International Net Nanny! w00t!
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Old 2002-08-21, 05:25
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Sides that how can Europe "take back" what was always american.


That's Oceania, comrade.
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Old 2002-08-21, 06:31
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this XHTML, the name implies it, is a mixture of XML and HTML. New browser generations will soon be able to read this. But they won�t be able to read plain HTML. �Cause this is said to be dead.

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5 August 2002: The first public Working Draft of XHTML 2.0 has been published. XHTML 2.0 is a next generation markup language, intended for rich, portable web-based applications. Note that while the ancestry of XHTML 2 comes from HTML 4, XHTML 1.0, and XHTML 1.1, it is not intended to be backward compatible with its earlier versions. Also, this first draft does not include the implementations of XHTML 2.0 in either DTD or XML Schema form yet. Those will be included in subsequent versions, once the contents of this language stabilizes. Please send comments to www-html-editor@w3.org (archive).




[This message has been edited by BSK (edited 08-21-2002).]
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Old 2002-08-21, 15:14
Renegade Renegade is offline
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I have been downloading music for 3 years.

Napster
Audio Galaxy
Kazza Lite

These have helped me get into bands i never new existed. It has gave me the appreciation of genres of music i first thought were a load of crap.

It wont happen i assure you.

Peace Renegade,
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Old 2002-08-21, 15:45
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this XHTML, the name implies it, is a mixture of XML and HTML. New browser generations will soon be able to read this. But they won�t be able to read plain HTML. �Cause this is said to be dead.


Wha?! Why the hell would one not make browsers backward-compatible with HTML? That would cut off 99% of the web, and that's unacceptable. If Microsoft releases a new version of IE and every dumbass out there finds that his Geocities page is now unreadable, we're going to see the streets run red with blood.

Ah! Conspiracy time!! XHTML is merely the vessel for the website's Palladium certification, thus bringing the entire web under Microsoft's evil influence. Time for me to go brush off Lynx...
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Old 2002-08-21, 15:52
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guess what W3C stands for ...
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Old 2002-08-21, 16:01
Z3m Z3m is offline
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World Wide Web Consordium? Just a guess.

Anyway, I think I should be able to tell people what they should and shouldn't see. I know what's best.
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Old 2002-08-21, 20:23
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so you�ve read the quote ,,,
 
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