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| Spurious Generalities This is the general discussion and chat forum. People can discuss just about anything they want to in this area, providing it doesn't fit in one of the other forums and provided that it will bring conversation to the thread. |
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#1
 2001-04-23, 17:07
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The Real 
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Nessie
http://thescotsman.co.uk/scotland.cfm?id=66496
When the hell will people learn the damn thing doesn't exist. Discovery even launched an expedition to find it. What they found was that there is not enough food in the loch to support such an animal.
And wouldn't yeah think by now that someone could take a decent picture, still or motion? It can't be coincidence that everyone armed with a camera that happens upon something is too stupid to take a decent picture.
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#2
 2001-04-23, 17:24
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Re: Nessie
Fair enough. But. First, the loch has access via deep water to the sea. Second, there are those who say that 'trolls' don't exist, but here I am! I am not saying that there IS something there, merely that to rule it out on the strength of expiditions to date is to show a deep ignorance, not only of what is possible, but also of what is probable. The loch could not provide enough food for any creature of that size so far discovered, living there on a permanant basis. It is probable that a creature of that size would be detected by the regular sonar sweeps of deep water access chanels if it were not a permanent resident, but probablity does not mean fact. It is probable that no creature of that size could get sustenance from what food stuff IS present, but again, probablity does not mean fact. It remains a possibility that there is, or was, a creature of some size living in the loch. the probability is that there is not. The probability, however, is also that the caelocanth remains extinct, and that the yeti and bigfoot are imaginary.
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#3
 2001-04-24, 02:53
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The Real 
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Re: Nessie
How does probability show in any way that the caelocanth is extinct. We just thought it was because no reports of them had been made for the longest of times. And yet there they are on the South Coast of Africa and in South America. Not a good example, looking for one type of fish in all the worlds waters.
A creature the size that people describe Nessie would be easily seen. Passive and Sweeping Sonar have been used to search the loch. And then to have thousands of reported sighting and not one person could get a good picture? Not one good picture.
If was to make a bet, I'd bet on the yeti 1st and Bigfoot 2nd, none on Nessi. But no expedition has found beyond a doubt evidence for either, and the famous video tape can be argued both ways for the Sasquatch. I would think however that some hunter would've crossed one by now and would've killed one if such a thing did exist. People can track Puma's in area's where Bigfoot sightings have occured. Puma's are about the most elusive animal that lives on this Continent. Compare that to a 7ft ape, it's very hard to believe that Bigfoot has never been captured.
Other things are a giant bear in South America. The natives seem to see them all the time, but when an expedition comes around, not a single sign is ever to be found. Cryptozoology is neat, but is rarely productive, though there are some odd cases I will agree. A new found species of lizard in Australia, it grows to be 3ft long, the musk deer of Vietnam was once thought to be a myth. But all the creatures have been relatively small.
Why don't we find feces, hair, or bones from bigfoot. Why doesn't nessie's monsters wash up? No one has ever seen a giant squid in it's habitat but we know they exist, specimens have washed up and their large beaks have been found.
Nessi isn't the only sea Monster, Canada has one has well. In which hundreds of reports had been made, but never a good picture. It's revelation came about a few years later after Loch Ness became famous.
Furthermore people see what they want to see. I saw an experiment where a person floated a log across the loch, every person who saw it, said they saw the monster. And everyone drew a totally different picture, none of which resembled a log.
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#4
 2001-04-25, 22:57
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Re: Nessie
Its the biggest and deepest lake in Britain. I don't personally believe it exists. Many believe on the news that it is am over grown normal animal. At any rate it brings in 1000's of tourists every year and collects a nice little sum for the region.
------------------ Do as I say, Not as I do.
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#5
 2001-04-25, 23:31
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Re: Nessie
Yeah, I'm glad you have the foot and mouth disease to counter that.
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#6
 2001-04-26, 06:49
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White Witch 
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Shit.. it's like the Bigfoot mystical creature.
I say if there is one there is another and another and so on. It has to breed in order keep it's species alive. I doubt it is one creature that has lived for hundreds of years (Although we know a turtle can live several hundred years) but still if it is a mutated sea animal that can live for hundreds of years it will have to die sooner or later. so whats the point. If its just some weird mutation then its really not of great interests as an "Unknown Species" and should be left the fuck alone. it probuble is lonely that it gets no sex and that all the other creatures in the lock poke fun at it or run away from it. If it is in fact an unknown species then there are more and someone will fucking catch one of these things sooner or later.
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#7
 2001-04-26, 06:53
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White Witch 
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Re: Nessie
and one more thing..
The "Mystical Giant Squid" was always thought to be just another fishermans tale like "The Mermaid" untill some Japanese fisherman caught one some 4 or 5 years ago. it was like 130 feet long. so maybe it does exists and just comes up into the channel for fresh air every few months. Im sure it means no one any harm.
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#8
 2001-04-26, 12:54
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Redrover 
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Well the whole nessie thing is probably still kept alive because of all the touris dollars it brings in.
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#9
 2001-04-26, 14:36
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The Real 
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Uhm the smithsonian has had a specimen of a giant squid for over 15yrs.
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#10
 2001-04-30, 09:11
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Re: Nessie
And it's been known for about 75-100 years, give or take.
There would have to be lots of sea monsters for the species to stay alive. 50 for the short term, 500 for the long term. That lake has to have been landlocked for thousands of years, that is definatly long term.
Bigfoot could just be elusive. It depends on how inteligent it is and how much it desires to be left alone.
------------------ I would rather be a smartass than a dumbass
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#11
 2001-04-30, 09:36
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White Witch 
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Re: Nessie
i know what it is. Because the lock is a channel the salt contents rises and drops over certain times of the year. it also has to do with the tide. i bet if you took all the serious sightings (Or at least the most reputable sightings) you would see a co-relation between things floating up from the bottom of the lock (Due to high mineral contents of salt) and the known minaral increases into the lock from the atlantic ocean. or it could also be the fact that scottish people drink a hell of a lot 
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#12
 2001-04-30, 09:38
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White Witch 
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quote: Originally posted by The Real: Uhm the smithsonian has had a specimen of a giant squid for over 15yrs.
well i saw it on a made for TV movie.. and you know NBC would never lie. hehehe kidding. I believe it may have been in the 1980s. its that whole time compression that confuses people after 30.
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#13
 2001-04-30, 09:42
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White Witch 
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Re: Nessie
one more thing i have to ask. are there eels in the lock>? maybe its a huge fucking eel that eats well. or maybe their is some chemicals dumped from the industrial age from the late 1800s that may cause eels to grow larger then normal. and people just think its bigger then it really is.
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