Well, first off this isn't Spurious, it's been brewing in our national consciousness for a while.

The 2000 census has got me thinking about our national future. I will use the California example. 34 million people. 47% White. Down from 57% from the 1990 census. Down 10 percent. Latinos. Up from 25% to 30%. 3/4 of all growth in the ninties were from the latinos. and not from immigration, but higher birth rates. Blacks are down. From seven percent to six. They are moving back to the south and some to Las Vegas.Asians up 2% to 11%. My favorites, "Other" which was 2%. I am guessing they were Art Bell rejects or something. And 7% "Multi-racial"

The Giant Wall, a moat with alligators, etc. is too old. It's like closing that gate when everyone's gone. Nothing has been done to close our borders. I do not disrespect Hispanics, if you are illegal you are illegal. You do not deserve the same rights that legals do. Illegals come from al countries, Arabs, etc...

Latinos are eventually going to surpass or equal whites in the next census, guys. Whites are dwindling. We are dwindling.

A good idea would have been to not have the large immigration of the seventies and eighties, and let inter-marriage relieve the tension. But with the large numbers, the trend is to marry your own race. I see a yellow/white upper class and a black/brown underclass on the horizon.

Our country is going to destroy itself on being too free and too open. That is going to be our fall. Everyone knows the phrase "i have my rights!" Every think of what you owe your country? JFK, are you around?

Teddy Roosevelt once told us that there is more than just a collection of people. There is something to this country. There is more than working and making money. Diversity can get pretty ugly when we turn onto hard economic times.

Chinese and Japanese. Closed societies. They have their problems, but no where close to ours. The world has it's collection of multi-cultural diasters. Lebanon, Yugoslavia, and Russia.

The immigration that we had, my grandfather, from Austria, brought something to this country. He spoke German, and didn't teach it to my father. German was never spoken again while in America. How is non-communication going to helpour civilaztion survive? Korea town, koreans get very hostile and aloof when you try and talk to them. Hispanics, Spanish is America's psudeo language.

I see the Third Worldization of America. The Decaying of once was and the beginning of a new era. We're letting the third world take over. And the sad thing is, they're already in, and we can't stop it. Illegals are a terrible problem for my state. But if you talk about it when you're running for public office, you'll lose the latinos, and you'll never win.

I went to disneyland the other day, in the city of Anaheim. That city according to the census grew 37%. That city was filled out 30 years ago. North Orange county is old suburbia. But it grew 37% in the ninties? Whose having the babies? Oh, back to Disneyland...I saw 60-70 kids at a bus stop, nearly all Latinos

America is so absurd. baseball is/was the national pastime. You can't buy a bat made in America. Usually Japan or Canada made. Players are Dominican. We are becoming so far gone from what were once were.

Political Correctness is bs. It's sweeping the truth under the carpet.

If other people are coming here for opportunity. It's not our fault, the United States is not the country of salvation. A country should do it's own work. If we were on a sinking ship with 1,000 people
and they were two ships that could only hold 50 people. Would you add the 51st person if it would cause the whole boat to sink? When do we say no? And has the new ethnic order/bias in California already denied that possibility.

Excuses causes problems. The problems we have today.

The only reason the United States is in the position it's in is because of it's location. I can see Canada having the same problems.

If anyone is reading this from a humanitarian point of view, I say, go to Mexico, central America, spefically, and change their governments to make their people want to stay in their country to begin with.

But I realize that it's coming from all over the world, illegal immigration is.

But what is going to happen to white people? It's evident. Our numbers are dissapearing. What is going to happen?

I'm looking at the faceless issue. I would hate to take people by the bus load and drop them at the border. The faceless issue. Why can't they become LEGAL?! If you're going to spend your whole life here why don't they make an effort to learn the language.

If they don't learn the language they are not adding to out civilization or their self worth. Contribute to our society, contribute dammit.

I feel awkward when I say "American" It used to mean something. Newer immgrants from around the world are unpatriotic and could care less. They don't know the diffence between a right and a priveldge. There is a criminal element to our youth because that is what our society is breeding.

Our country is going to hell. It's going to get ugly. We can't come to the real. But is there a right?




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what up lokil,i read your post and most of it is true.now help me figure something out.i was born here in san jose, california.what does that make me?an american?according to you it does.now what would i call myself if my parents were not born of the USA but they were from MECXICO.what does that make me?do i still count as an american?when people ask me what my nationality is i get offended.but i tell them mexican,because it is my heritage.but if i was born here in the UNITED STATES,then i should say i'm american not mexican.right?therefor i am white.just as your doing .your of austrailian decent,correct?why do you call yourself white?is it because your skin color?well my skin is real pale.if you see me you'd probably think i'm not mexican.anywaysi dont pay any attention to the census n other bullshit.and thats all i got to say about that.


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You shouldn't be offended Suicide player. What did i say in my post? Immigrants into any country should not be let into their country in such numbers that they were. I said that inter-marriage could relieve racial tension, but when we let such a great deal of the same kind of people, that does not encourage inter-marriage.

Be offended all you like, remember what I said. I am not interested in you specifically, but the [i]faceless[/] issue. Do you know what that means? Very strong subcultures have formed. I am not particularly saying you belong to one/it. But you have ties to it whether you are in denial about it or not. Latinos are of any race. White/tan/Black.

The situation makes it difficult to know what an American is. We fucked with the system too much. Stretched the rules.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lokil:
[B]inter-marriage could relieve racial tension, but when we let such a great deal of the same kind of people, that does not encourage inter-marriage.

ok this i can say is true.but i myself wouldn't marry some one from zimbwabway.or some one that hunts for their food with an axe.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lokil:
[B]The situation makes it difficult to know what an American is.
an american is some one born in the United States.

Zimbabwe is ONE country. You could marry an asian or a white woman. I wasn't getting specific. It was a brush stoke thought.


Some people don't consider EVERYONE born in the United States a citizen. It's a fucked up law, and it will be changed soon. But that is only may biased opinion. That's what encouraged so much illegal immigration in the first place. Mexican women running over to our country to have thier kids so they can be legal someday b/c of thier children and the free services they would get.

I'd rather go down then know I turned away a hungry starving mass.

That is ridiculous. You aren't allowed to post anymore in this topic.

I had to come back cause what you said was damn stupid, Bongman.

I dunno if you know this, but freedoms and ways of life have to be protected. We have jails, and they have walls, don't they.

Earth to Bongman: We are not the Earth's salvation country. And you're from Massachusetts? When I went there last summer, they told me to be careful around the locals, something along the lines of, " Yankee watch yourself" And you're talking about feeding third worlders?

lol.

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Don't worry Lokil, the american culture will eventually assimilate all these incoming cultures. It might take a generation or two but eventually, they all start speaking, ating and thinking like you, althought I'm not sure is a good thing.

What do you think the ethic % is in Japan or even worst China? lol. sorry but i dont think mix breeding will ever be a popular concept in most asian cultures. Even Japanese dont want to marry into chinese or korean families.


seagway: America deploys 3 battleships over to china because China doesnt want to give us back 28 men and "De Plane"

Bad china bad!

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Originally posted by White Witch:
What do you think the ethic % is in Japan or even worst China? lol. sorry but i dont think mix breeding will ever be a popular concept in most asian cultures. Even Japanese dont want to marry into chinese or korean families.


seagway: America deploys 3 battleships over to china because China doesnt want to give us back 28 men and "De Plane"

Bad china bad!

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Whose post did you read? Of course youre right, I never said otherwise.

Redrover, u sad, sad, boy. Actually, lucky. Cause youre on of those peeps that'll think everything is gonna be all right. Wait for the next census, then talk to me. I'm not waitin tho...

We allow people to come here freely. That's the way it has always been. It has been part of the freedom and appeal of America. By removin the right for people to come as they please we'd be destroying part of what made America great.

What Im saying is that we must uphold our ideals even when they threaten to destroy us.

We never let in third worlders, you fuck.

BTW, The L.A. city council today voted to stop using the word "minority"

You see? The first damn thing they do. They waste no time.

Gevalt!?

They are still minorities in this country.

What's the saying they use now? It goes something like this;

Give us your weak, your opressed, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, so we can ship their asses back to Cuba.

everyone is a Minority in the great state of Kali.

I like it, Now people that are "non white" cant use the race card or say we need Af Act reinacted. I dont mind being a white minority. Nothing changed in this area. People are still fucking idiots and cruel. Fuck everyone.

Remember the old proverb. "If California goes so does the nation" meaning we set the standards in this state for all other states. That might sound conseeded but its true. We are like 10 years ahead of the rest of the nation (Except Arkansa.. they are like 25 years behind).

it's just a matter of time before the rest of the country starts having rolling blackouts, whites are no longer the majority. Shits its a great thing. Im tired of being "The Majority" now its time for me to start getting social aid for being a minority. oh and another thing. My Father is Irish. Irish were treated like shit in this country. Refused jobs, prejudiced against for being "lazy drunks" .. "Irish need not apply". This whole "white Pride" thing is a fairly new concept. before there was a large number of chinese and other asian and Hispanics in this nation to be prejudiced against whites were selective about what white races were good and what white races were evil trash heathens. Like Germans, Polish, Irish, Norweigans. all treated as bad as blacks and jews were.

And im not saying this against Mexicans. Im not prejudice against mexicans. I wouldnt care if it was ireland or germany next door to me. I think we should still control mexican immagration. its going to fuck up our economy more then it is now. And if you guys have been listening to the news lately you would know they want to lift restrictions of Mexicans coming over the border. They think it might have a reverse effect and actually bring more jobs to america. I dont know how thats possible. To me its a flood of 1 million mexicans in just weeks (If not more) and we will have homeless mexican immagrants wondering the streets. Bad idea very very bad.

Dude, the Witch was agreeing with you.

And, though I feel somewhat bad about picking out such a small part of a long post.. this just stuck out at me.

"Chinese and Japanese. Closed societies. They have their problems, but no where close to ours."

I doubt Japan has problems the same as ours, but have you ever been there to know for sure? Do you know anyone who knows for sure?

Let's put them aside for a second, because on the whole, they just may have fewer problems than America. I don't know.

But where the fuck were you when Tienamen Square went down? You don't think it took some serious fucking issues to bring about a riot like that? Imagine half the people in America getting Rodney King'd, and maybe you have an idea of what the driving force behind that movement was.

You may have a point about the immigration, but christ, think before you post, would you?

Actually it is one race, The human race. Different cultures and ethnic
backgrounds. But we are all on this same fragile little cosmic marble
together. And no one deserves all of the sand-box. So slide your ass
over and hand me the bucket. You can shovel that shit in the corner.



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About a hundred years ago, a person like Lokil would say that his people were the ones that came from west of Germany, north of Swiszerland, not be jewish and of course, no Irish. But now that most immigrants are either Oriental or of Latin decent, everybody that looks white is suddenly "his people". Hell, we've been treated like shit by people like you for a hundred years so why should we side with you know, Lokil?

so what? if they overpopulate our country, we'll overpopulat their's. If the poop in our country then we will also in their's. If they burn the flag in our country then we will do the same in theirs. And lest be the odds grow low, if they have sex in our country, we can have sex in there country, except with everyone and rape is not accountable for because everyone wants a tap.

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About a hundred years ago, a person like Lokil would say that his people were the ones that came from west of Germany, north of Swiszerland, not be jewish and of course, no Irish. But now that most immigrants are either Oriental or of Latin decent, everybody that looks white is suddenly "his people". Hell, we've been treated like shit by people like you for a hundred years so why should we side with you know, Lokil?

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When thise immigrants came over west of Germany north of Switzerland, they actually wanted to speak the language and blend in as much as possible. They actually put down theri own culture to be apart of the one they immigrated to. Read my post. My Austrian grandfather never allowed German to be spoken in his household. Come to L.A. Those immigrants never said "Viva la Revolucion" When the densely occupied an area.

ain was absolutely right.

there are no minorities;

minorities should be defined by ideals and beliefs;

not by color or sex.

saying you're politically correct; by referring to them as mexican americans; african americans; caucasian; native americans; or whatever.

thats just the "politically correct" term for racial profiling.

politically correct=racial profiling.

just instead of black; it's african american.

wouldn't a rose by any other name smell just as sweet.

why is it when you fill out an application they ask for sex; race; and religious affiliation;

when in big words they say they don't discriminate by it?

if you don't discriminate don't ask.

but it's for affirmative action you have to this %of whites; this % of blacks; this % of women.

racial profiling pure and simple.

martin luther king would be ashamed at what the price of his life has brought us.

instead of inclusion; you have worse seperation than you did before.

we may use the same bathrooms now; but how long will it be before you have to fill out a questionnaire at the gas station to use the can.

you're not letting enough minorities use these facilities; unless you want to avoid a lawsuit you must get the proportions correct to the guidelines we've established.

then i can't take a piss because i'm white and no black man used the urinal for the last two weeks.

an extreme example but the exact same principal.

racial profiling.

Hi redrover. Not starting anything here but its "Asians" and not "Orientals". Oriental can apply to food, clothes, and furniture as well as a style of garden. Calling asians "Orientals" is like calling a black person the "N" word.

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No it isn't! That word sounds more exotic if anything.