Zok has created a new S&A here on his bbs.

http://bbs.zoklet.net/forumdisplay.php?f=36

but we are still hoping to rescue totse. The mods are united in trying to get Jeff to reconsider.

Cmon now Jack....you are suggesting to your faithful S & A members, that they go from one badly mismanaged website to an even WORSE run website? (or would that be better stated "worsely run"?)

I'm all for doing whatever it would to "save" the real Totse, but instructing people to try out Zok's site when Zok hasn't done much for this place in a very long time is kinda silly. An example of that is how I still haven't see one word from Zok himself publicly about "come over to my place". Instead he has you and a whole mess of other people DOING HIS JOB for him.

Zok sits back like a bumbling oaf, and lets everyone else get their hands dirty doing all the work. Yup, sounds like a great place to frequent...don't it?

DaGuru, your points are usually valid, but now is not the time. Get over there to Zoklet and try and help in restructuring. Please.