I'll get right to the point. There has been discussion and I belive production plans to introduce a new and seemingly impervius anti abuse feature to time release pills like OC and Concerta and the likes.

The method is to involve putting a dose of caspicin (sp) in the pill to that if you snort it or break it up you will regret it. I am not 100 % sure if this would eliminate shooting. The only way to to send you to hell would be to take the medication as is intended (orally and not broken up) this would prevent breaking the time release. Does anyone else know about this? It's on wikipedia and I read about it in sevral other articles. It seems that they finally beat us ... for the time being.

You could still parachute it I'd think ..

Generic OC's had this along time ago, the ENDO brand ones I believe

They would be not too high of levels, as after all, it is still to be ingested.

Have you ever tried eating pepper-spray/mace?... no, me neither.

Also note, 2c-e, Ambien, and DMAA all sting like motherfuckers, when you snort them....

Doesn't mean people don't abuse them via insulation.



Also

Caspicin in chili peppers, and spicy foods, is what fools your body into feeling pain...
There are people who are "addicted", per-say, to very very spicy foods.....Yup!

There are quite a few people addicted to their body's reaction to said "pain stimulation".... because guess what....Endorphins get released!

It might make for a funner night, when hanging out with people who shoot this shit.... to watch them grimace in pain, shortly, before the body begins reacting to the oc, and in addition, pumping endorphins.... hell this stimulation might actually potentate the "high"

The new OC forumula for purdue in the future is a capsule version of the pills that has balls inside. The balls look the same and some contain OC and some have Narcan. The ones with narcan are coated in a way so they dont dissolve in your body and you shit them out. If you crush them they get mixed and you can not use it.

Any way round these things. And yah, capasin (sp) may release endorphines but snorting the shit may be a little intense donn't u think ?

There's gotta be a solvent that oxy is soluble in and that capsaicin is not. That would make it as simple as a cwe.

That's dumb as shit. It's just gonna get people addicted to oxy to resort to heroin.

Really? This is the best the government can come up with? Hey, lets put hot spices in pills so people will absolutely not even consider abusing them. Then again I couldn't expect anything rational/better coming from government.

I feel sorry for the people who actually need their meds.

I don't really use addictive drugs like oxy, but if I did, I would use capsazepine to block the capsaicin-induced pain. Capsazepine is a TRPV1-antagonist, meaning it blocks the pain of that spicy crap.

Capsaicin is something you really do NOT want to ingest, trust me. A while ago, in a clonazepam haze, I ate some ultra-concentrated spicy sauce someone offered me and it was one of the most painful experiences of my life.

This is just a theory, but I once heard that capsaicin is lipid-soluble which is why drinking milk helps (not 100% sure of that). If it is lipid-soluble and not water-soluble, and oxy is the opposite, I suppose crushing them up in milk might remove the bad stuff.

Again, I don't know if any of that is true, so any help?

gel cap that shit or parachute...

and to the poster on the other side...

if it is lipid soluble it could very well be extracted.... lipids are non polar, so im going to assume the anti abuse spicy shit is probably soluble in most other non polar solvents like ether or 100% alcohol...

lol looks like people might have to smoke them....................................

It bet it still wouldn't be as bad as snorting BZP...

You really think a little burn would stop me from snorting some pills?

Fuck you know how much powder you have to snort when your trying to get to a good high on adderall? Shit kills but I do that and I know plenty of people who'll get over it just to get high.

hahaha, adderall is nowhere near as bad as capsicum powder!! adderall is chemically sweet-tasting goodness

This is a concept that nobody seems to understand on BLTC.

Mmmm...... Nothing like taking a fat hit of Oxycodone.


And on the lipid subject, could you imagine straining your half and half to get your oxy. Man if that didn't stop people from abusing I dont know what would.

That is like really old news.

it will cause heartburn in alot of patients so it is a stupid idea.

Has anyone ever snorted 5mg of 2c-i?
Imagine snorting an entire pill's worth of something.

And as for the spicy pills, I think the dudes from Jackass actually influenced the government... I now predict that no one in North America will successfully create a computer that automatically seeks out terrorist threats because it would simply be accurate.

I usually take Tabasco sauce with everything on days of drug abuse. I think the government's plan might save me some time AND money in this case. lol.

introduce a new and seemingly impervius anti abuse feature

Lemme guess - trisomy 21?

I don't ask that question because of your spelling - however much it might apply - but because of your assertion. To describe anything as "unbreakable" is about as phenomenally stupid as describing the titanic as "unsinkable." To apply it to an "anti-abuse" mechanism that can be 'broken' just by breaking out a few fucking tortilla chips is downright laughable.

I actually wrote in another forum, on another topic, about the underlying issue; the only antiabuse substance which cannot be removed from oxycodone is oxycodone. It has to do with the underlying questions of what it means to be a distinct substance and the question in scientific philosophy of "identity."

Just as a tangent, that's why I like science so much. Humans tend to hem and haw and rely on such witty arguments as "nuh-uh" and "no u" to support entirely wishful thinking. After they're fucking done, you can turn around and apply the same scientific principles they were trying to call you an idiot for while browbeating you into something - usually the "rightfulness" of their violence against you - to the hard physical sciences, and they'll continue to be a perfectly useful tool. Humans are some seriously shady motherfuckers. The laws of physics are not, and will never change their story or try to deny reality just because they're sad, pathetic little beings whose "logic" processes revolve around wishful thinking to justify their violent impulses. The laws of physics are concrete and impartial. They do not change to favor one person and disfavor another. They cannot hate you. They cannot like someone else more than you. They simply are, and are the only fair and just matter left on the planet.

Bringing it back to the current subject, it's one of the oldest axioms of chemistry. Either it is the same substance (oxycodone and oxycodone), or the properties are not the same. If the properties are not the same, it can be differentiated on the basis of its properties. Thus, thanks to the molecular meaning of "identity" or "substance," no abuse mechanism is uncrackable.

In this case, if you're familiar with drug chemistry at even the most basic BLTC level, it should strike you as pathetically simple. Hydrophobic plant oils - such as capscasin - and water... they do not mix. Polar alkaloidal salts and water, they do mix. Often quite well.

Now, go forth, and never again call anything "undefeatable" until you have studied the basic premises of science...

...and don't forget to change the oil a time or two when making your vinegar and oil salad dressing, m'kay?

...and don't forget to change the oil a time or two when making your vinegar and oil salad dressing, m'kay?

Explain this, please.

smoking it would be one of the most unpleasant ways of ingesting this picture smoking a fucking chili pepper. but while were on the topic god damn could I go for a couple beans.

Explain this, please.

Jesus christ joe careful what you say..

Don't you know government agents like aerogone are dissecting every post you make?

Could they realistically do this? What about people with digestive problems, they would have to prescribe them an alternative high dose opiate... we can still abuse that.

fuck you little foot you'll always be BLTC's bitch.. always.

as for speaking for "us" regarding anti abuse oxy.. wrong. even if that was the case they ain't never gonna make my china white heroin anti abusable.. throw that shit in the spoon, add cotton, suck up into rig.. bang bang bang.