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| Weapons and Combat This is the forum dedicated to weapons, martial arts, and their related technical, political and social issues. Weapons and Combat is for the safe and responsible use of firearms, knives, fists and other weapons. |
# 1
2009-01-13, 16:00
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can you be in the US army forever?
If someone wanted to could they enlist in the army and just do that for the rest of there lives ( after they get too old they become a general or upgrade)
I was thinking does everyone in the army do shit for school on teh side or can someone make a living in the army?
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# 2
2009-01-13, 16:17
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Yeah but it's about the worst decision you could ever make in life.
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# 3
2009-01-13, 16:57
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Wrong. There is a mandatory retirement age.
http:../../usmilitary.about.com/b/2006/0...ration-age.htm
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# 4
2009-01-13, 17:32
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
62 is eleven years below the average male life expectancy in this country, or, 89% of one's life, or, forever. I'm pretty sure when OP meant "for the rest of their lives" he meant it in the same sense as within the average timeframe one typically works until retirement.
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# 5
2009-01-13, 17:44
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
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Originally Posted by Martian Luger King
62 is eleven years below the average male life expectancy in this country, or, 89% of one's life, or, forever. I'm pretty sure when OP meant "for the rest of their lives" he meant it in the same sense as within the average timeframe one typically works until retirement.
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Wrong again.
http:../../www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#027
See page 192.
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2009-01-13, 23:06 |
AprenticeChemistBITCHS 
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Wrong again.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#027
See page 192.
Well my computers fucking up and couldn't read the ages, but if someone stays in the military their WHOLE life they probably are not going to be living as long as someone who had a civilian career, ESPECIALLY depending on MOS. Hell I know guys in my unit that did active duty infantry for 8 years and they are still in their twentys but have such bad knees and backs and shit its like they are in their fucking 40's or older. The military can be really fucking hard on a body especialy some jobs. So id say 62 would be pretty good cut off for a job that qualifies as doing it your whole life, granted you probably got another 10-15 years if you lucky.
Also Antonio you don't get rank because of age. Hell ive met shit bags that were a year away from retirement as fucking SPECIALISTS!!!!!!!!!!! They tried acting cool because they been in so long but all of us just looked at them like fucking tards. The military is all you make it if your a shit bag you could spend a million years in the army and still be piss on private or you could be super high speed and squared away and make General of the Army by your 30th birthday(NOTE exagerating before someone flames)
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2009-01-14, 00:19 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
If you meet the age and physical requirement to make it in yes you can complete your 20 years and get 75% retirement and 30 years and get 100%. Anything inbetween 20-30+ if the army/unit feels your unable to keep up physically or mentally they can A) put you on staff or B) force retire you. After you spend 10 years or 3 enlistments in the military you are an automaic "lifer". Which means you go where the army tells you and stay until the army retires you.
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# 8
2009-01-14, 01:14
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Isnt there a military forum on &t? this is not reall relavent to weapons and combat.
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2009-01-14, 04:32 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Wrong again.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#027
See page 192.
Not wrong, the average life expectancy is 73 for males. Even if a source indicates that it's 76 or fuck it, even eighty, it's still going to be eighty percent of one's life or like I said, forever. Life after age 38 is middle age (downhill) so I expect someone living with a yellow liver and busted up knees at age 62 to have lived for most of their conscious, pleasurable life.
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2009-01-14, 04:49 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Not wrong, the average life expectancy is 73 for males. Even if a source indicates that it's 76 or fuck it, even eighty, it's still going to be eighty percent of one's life or like I said, forever. Life after age 38 is middle age (downhill) so I expect someone living with a yellow liver and busted up knees at age 62 to have lived for most of their conscious, pleasurable life.
No- it was in fact wrong. You said the average life expectancy was below the retirement age, and implied that this means one would never live past their mandatory retirement.
This is wrong because the average life expectancy is above the mandatory life expectancy age.
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2009-01-14, 04:53 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Well my computers fucking up and couldn't read the ages, but if someone stays in the military their WHOLE life they probably are not going to be living as long as someone who had a civilian career, ESPECIALLY depending on MOS. Hell I know guys in my unit that did active duty infantry for 8 years and they are still in their twentys but have such bad knees and backs and shit its like they are in their fucking 40's or older. The military can be really fucking hard on a body especialy some jobs. So id say 62 would be pretty good cut off for a job that qualifies as doing it your whole life, granted you probably got another 10-15 years if you lucky.
You're assuming enlisted or otherwise out of the wire folks. Put a soft skills commissioned officer up against a coal miner. You're also not using any statistics.
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#12
2009-01-14, 05:00 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
No no what I meant by that was that upon the mandatory retirement age, one would have lived for eighty-nine percent of one's life expectancy. Upon being discharged one would have eleven years left in the tank, probably in misery as well. I should have made myself more clear I admit. I agree a coal miner has a better chance of dying younger than someone working a desk job, I'm just talking average expectancy for all males in the US - the mandatory retirement age.
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#13
2009-01-14, 05:56 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
R_L he likes to try and make himself look loiok like he is correct, just let him do it.
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#14
2009-01-14, 21:06 |
AprenticeChemistBITCHS
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
You're assuming enlisted or otherwise out of the wire folks. Put a soft skills commissioned officer up against a coal miner. You're also not using any statistics.
Ok i normally like you but this post you pissing me off maybe its also cuz im a little drunk cuz just turned 21 today but whatever. If you would have read my fucking post it says DEPENDING ON MOS, meaning obviously if someone has a cushy paper faggot job the "army life" is just like civilian life not that hard on the body, but if someone has an mos like INFANTRY then their life is probably going to be shorter then most because the infantry wears your body out like a mother fucker.
Also statistics? Who needs statistics when you have living proof, I can look at the guys in my unit that were active duty before and you can just see how fucked up their shit is compared to a civilian at the same age. Guys in their mid twenties with horrible backs, knees, PTSD, among many other things. Granted all those don't amount to early death but they sure as fuck wouldn't help someone kick the bucket a little bit earlier then your average pog fucker.
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2009-01-15, 02:39 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Ok i normally like you but this post you pissing me off maybe its also cuz im a little drunk cuz just turned 21 today but whatever. If you would have read my fucking post it says DEPENDING ON MOS, meaning obviously if someone has a cushy paper faggot job the "army life" is just like civilian life not that hard on the body, but if someone has an mos like INFANTRY then their life is probably going to be shorter then most because the infantry wears your body out like a mother fucker.
Also statistics? Who needs statistics when you have living proof, I can look at the guys in my unit that were active duty before and you can just see how fucked up their shit is compared to a civilian at the same age. Guys in their mid twenties with horrible backs, knees, PTSD, among many other things. Granted all those don't amount to early death but they sure as fuck wouldn't help someone kick the bucket a little bit earlier then your average pog fucker.
You said "ESPECIALLY" due to MOS, not solely due to MOS.
Living proof doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things unless it is representative of a larger trend. Just because one NG unit is HSLD obviously doesn't mean they are all, right? If I were in a real tight, professional NG SF unit, my real world experience would be that NG kicks serious ass. The same thing goes for a PD. Just because a SWAT team knows their ass from a hole in the ground doesn't mean Joe Beat Cop working traffic or ghetto duty has a clue.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but unless you have stats, I'm skeptical (regardless of my own personal experience). I can cite conservative estimates that 42.2% of the population doesn't pay income taxes, which puts them at most likely a lower standard of living than most military personnel regardless of MOS. Who's to say they don't have worse health than someone in the Armed Forces, who has their food, room and board, and medical more or less taken care of?
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# 16
2009-01-15, 10:41
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
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Originally Posted by ilovechronic
Isnt there a military forum on &t? this is not reall relavent to weapons and combat.
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This.
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#17
2009-01-15, 20:46 |
AprenticeChemistBITCHS
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
You said "ESPECIALLY" due to MOS, not solely due to MOS.
Living proof doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things unless it is representative of a larger trend. Just because one NG unit is HSLD obviously doesn't mean they are all, right? If I were in a real tight, professional NG SF unit, my real world experience would be that NG kicks serious ass. The same thing goes for a PD. Just because a SWAT team knows their ass from a hole in the ground doesn't mean Joe Beat Cop working traffic or ghetto duty has a clue.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but unless you have stats, I'm skeptical (regardless of my own personal experience). I can cite conservative estimates that 42.2% of the population doesn't pay income taxes, which puts them at most likely a lower standard of living than most military personnel regardless of MOS. Who's to say they don't have worse health than someone in the Armed Forces, who has their food, room and board, and medical more or less taken care of?
I shouldn't have said specifically just the guys in my unit, because I know a lot of other guys with military experience as well so it kind of made it out like I was just going off of my unit. My bad, although yes statistics would be nice, from my personal experince the majority of people that are prior military services generally have way more health problems and things wrong then those who were not.
Ill just agree to disagree since I can't back my side up with statistics, im sure if I wasn't lazy I could find someone statistics for Lifespan of full time military members that probably would favor my argument but not worth my time haha.
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#18
2009-01-15, 21:33 |
JustAnotherJoe
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
u cnat even live 4eva dumass wat makes u tihnk u cna b in tha armE 4eva?!
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#19
2009-01-15, 21:35 |
Nagasaki911
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
Not in the military but if i remember correctly they have an up or out policy, meaning that if you dont advance beyond x rank in a certain number of years they automatically retire you. so you gotta have your shit screwed down tight to be able to stay in it until mandatory retirement. but hey, after retirement comes consulting.
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2009-01-16, 04:03 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
u cnat even live 4eva dumass wat makes u tihnk u cna b in tha arme 4eva?!
....learn2english
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#21
2009-01-16, 05:01 |
JustAnotherJoe
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
....learn2english
...learn2notbetrollednigger
*gallops back to hb*
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2009-01-16, 07:22 |
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Re: can you be in the US army forever?
I shouldn't have said specifically just the guys in my unit, because I know a lot of other guys with military experience as well so it kind of made it out like I was just going off of my unit. My bad, although yes statistics would be nice, from my personal experince the majority of people that are prior military services generally have way more health problems and things wrong then those who were not.
Ill just agree to disagree since I can't back my side up with statistics, im sure if I wasn't lazy I could find someone statistics for Lifespan of full time military members that probably would favor my argument but not worth my time haha.
I'm not trying to be disagreeable, or even to disagree. I just want to make sure we're all in the habit of backing up arguments with evidence in the event we have to convince each other. I tend to hold a healthy amount of academic skepticism because it helps me learn : -).
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