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Politics: Left, Right, and Center National, state, regional, and local politics. Who's doing what to whom, and what you can do about it. How-to-get-action messages are encouraged. "How the government fucked up my life" stories are encouraged. Sharing new methods for cheating on taxes is encouraged. Sample "letters to congresscritters" are encouraged. Apathy and "I can't do anything" posts are discouraged. Left, right, centrist, or any other form of political-economic systems are all up for discussion. Be prepared to defend yourself, or at least have a good line of bullshit ready. Extensive quoting of economists and philosophers is frowned upon. We want to hear what YOU have to say, not what some constipated, impotent, dead guy dreamt up while suffering from the DT's over a hundred years ago thought.

 
 
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Old 2009-01-13, 15:43
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Default Don't you guys think this is a little messed up?

We have military presence in over 130 Countries with our foreign spending amounting in the trillions. What's fucked up about all of this is that people aren't going to D.C to protest this but rather they are going to D.C to protest against the Israeli occupation in Gaza. They want our Military to get involved in that calamity? First off we're going through a pretty big economic crisis in our own country with tensions heating up with India and Pakistan we just can't afford to get involved. Furthermore, by getting ourselves involved in this widely contraversial conflict, its essentially a lose lose situation for us. I see people on this forum debate day after day about what America needs to do in this situation yet no one even considered the possibility of taking a non-interventionalist stance to this. Why are we so foolish?
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Old 2009-01-13, 15:55
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The problem is we have a broken two party system of government that no longer serves the American people.
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Old 2009-01-13, 17:50
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Default Re: Don't you guys think this is a little messed up?

Same shit, different election. Democracy failed the greeks, democracy has failed us, and democracy will keep failing us. Anarchy, Atheism, Capitalism, and voluntary Charity are the only moral solutions to our problems.
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Old 2009-01-13, 18:17
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Why are we so foolish?

The media invented the economic crisis in order for Barack Obama to become elected president, and the Israeli-Palestinian issue is a fabrication for Evanglical preachers to recruit future meat shields for the US Army.
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Old 2009-01-13, 19:57
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The media invented the economic crisis in order for Barack Obama to become elected president, and the Israeli-Palestinian issue is a fabrication for Evanglical preachers to recruit future meat shields for the US Army.
You simply HAVE to be joking.
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Old 2009-01-13, 21:10
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You simply HAVE to be joking.
Do you have something you would like to add?
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Old 2009-01-14, 01:02
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Do you have something you would like to add?
Your post only serves as a testament to how uninformed you truly are. Regardless of political persuasion, if you know anything about the world economy you'd know that what is happening now is the gravest situation we have ever been in. Ever. I'm not going to parrot what is already floating around on several threads in the site, but please do look them up.
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Old 2009-01-14, 01:16
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It is a little messed up, but I think when you consider american's viewpoint, it explains a lot. All Isee (or at least hear about) is shit going wrong in a lot of fucking places, and a lot of it involving an anti-american sentiment. So, it seems a little less presumptuous to just assume that we need to do something about it. Bush Doctrine, or just 9/11 seems to justify this mentality.

There's not a lot of media coverage given to a non-interventionist stance, and there's certainly not a lot of news that supports it either.
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Old 2009-01-14, 05:23
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Your post only serves as a testament to how uninformed you truly are. Regardless of political persuasion, if you know anything about the world economy you'd know that what is happening now is the gravest situation we have ever been in. Ever. I'm not going to parrot what is already floating around on several threads in the site, but please do look them up.
Unless you are 65 years of age or older or rapidly approaching retirement I should say you are crazy. Obama was put in power by unions who, especially the autounions, are experiencing massive pension fund failures, and as is everyone else, ie 401ks, etc. His first act as president will be to restructure the agreement of the so called bail out. The bail out is nothing more than a remedy for a downturn in equity markets which has resulted in reduced pension fund asset values.

http:../../atimes.com/atimes/global_economy/jj31dj02.html

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California's Calpers, the biggest public pension fund in the US, in the week ending October 24, reported a loss of 20% of its asset value, or more than $40 billion, in the quarter between July 1 and October 20, 2008. State and local pension funds comprise a patchwork of 2,700 funds that manage $1.4 trillion on behalf of 21 million public employees, including teachers, firefighters, policemen and other municipal workers. About 40% of these funds are under-funded, meaning that they would not be able to pay the future pensions promised to public employees.
The military bases in those 130 countries in most cases amounts to nothing more than a few Marines and a tent. What is truly mind boggling and messed up is the ignorance western media has shown toward the Chinese in eastern Africa.
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