various thoughts about Christianity...

I'd like for you to consider what I have to say, and tell me if you agree.

1.Atheists say, "I am absolutely certain that there is no such thing as an omniscient being." It is as though they are saying, "I have infinite knowledge that a being with infinite knowledge does not exist!" Is it not more intellectually honest to say, "I don't know"?

2.Isn't anyone who denies that Jesus existed just being willfully ignorant? The early Christians certainly would have known if he existed or not, and they were willing to die for their beliefs, under Nero and others. How could they have been willing to die for someone whom they KNEW never existed? Do you really think anyone is so foolish/stupid? Also, Jesus was written about by Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, and others.

3.Christians say that their god is omniscient, omnipotent, and just. He will judge everyone according to their deeds, sending them either to an everlasting heaven or hell. Now, if there is no such thing as everlasting judgment, could I not make the point that ultimately, nothing we do matters? It matters not whether I do good or evil, since I'm just going to be annihilated anyway. We are nothing more than highly evolved animals. Indeed, how can there even BE any such thing as good or evil, if there is no omniscient/omnipotent judge? So it certainly matters whether or not you believe the tenets of Christianity, for your beliefs determine your actions.

Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing my thoughts with everyone. Hopefully, we can discuss these things and learn from each other.

[PastorSehmish]

Hi troll,

God Bless,
Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

[PastorSehmish]

Hi troll,

With that said, you are absolutely right.

God Bless,
Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

[krd]

Originally Posted by wa739

I'd like for you to consider what I have to say, and tell me if you agree.

1.Atheists say, "I am absolutely certain that there is no such thing as an omniscient being." It is as though they are saying, "I have infinite knowledge that a being with infinite knowledge does not exist!" Is it not more intellectually honest to say, "I don't know"?

I agree with you on this.
I'm not sure if there is a god, but if there is I really really really hope it's not the one describe in the bible

2.Isn't anyone who denies that Jesus existed just being willfully ignorant? The early Christians certainly would have known if he existed or not, and they were willing to die for their beliefs, under Nero and others. How could they have been willing to die for someone whom they KNEW never existed? Do you really think anyone is so foolish/stupid? Also, Jesus was written about by Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, and others.

Jesus could've been a very persuasive cult leader. People die for random infatuations all the time.

3.Christians say that their god is omniscient, omnipotent, and just. He will judge everyone according to their deeds, sending them either to an everlasting heaven or hell. Now, if there is no such thing as everlasting judgment, could I not make the point that ultimately, nothing we do matters? It matters not whether I do good or evil, since I'm just going to be annihilated anyway. We are nothing more than highly evolved animals. Indeed, how can there even BE any such thing as good or evil, if there is no omniscient/omnipotent judge? So it certainly matters whether or not you believe the tenets of Christianity, for your beliefs determine your actions.

Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing my thoughts with everyone. Hopefully, we can discuss these things and learn from each other.

Just because you're not going to be judged by a god doesn't mean you can knowingly be a dick. There are still laws, philosophy, and good ol' common sense that tell you to be good to other people.

[GoRdo]

Originally Posted by wa739

I'd like for you to consider what I have to say, and tell me if you agree.

1.Atheists say, "I am absolutely certain that there is no such thing as an omniscient being." It is as though they are saying, "I have infinite knowledge that a being with infinite knowledge does not exist!" Is it not more intellectually honest to say, "I don't know"?

2.Isn't anyone who denies that Jesus existed just being willfully ignorant? The early Christians certainly would have known if he existed or not, and they were willing to die for their beliefs, under Nero and others. How could they have been willing to die for someone whom they KNEW never existed? Do you really think anyone is so foolish/stupid? Also, Jesus was written about by Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, and others.

3.Christians say that their god is omniscient, omnipotent, and just. He will judge everyone according to their deeds, sending them either to an everlasting heaven or hell. Now, if there is no such thing as everlasting judgment, could I not make the point that ultimately, nothing we do matters? It matters not whether I do good or evil, since I'm just going to be annihilated anyway. We are nothing more than highly evolved animals. Indeed, how can there even BE any such thing as good or evil, if there is no omniscient/omnipotent judge? So it certainly matters whether or not you believe the tenets of Christianity, for your beliefs determine your actions.

Anyway, I've enjoyed sharing my thoughts with everyone. Hopefully, we can discuss these things and learn from each other.

1. There is a difference between Strong Atheism and what ill just refer to as weak atheism. One is the beleif that a god does not exist and the other is just the absence of beleif in a god. so your a little off there but what ever

2.umm your almost right, Jesus most likely did exist and it is now accepted by scholars as such, but the truth about his beliefs and true teachings is debated

3.Look you follow Jesus he taught natural religion, in which we already know right and wrong and the answers are inside us aswell as the kingdom of God so there really is no need for "Christian tenets". Your other point about the everlasting judge and all that, umm no... God is a forgiving one so there may be punishment but not eternal, i like to think of it in a Muslim kind of way that you first pay for your sins in hell then you are allowed back into heaven. But it is all just theoretical and unimportant to worry about cause we cant reasonably figure such a thing out in our universe.

4.You seem to be trying to use reason to find answers to the world, you'll never find the reasonable answers you want until you open your mind and look for different ways to find the truth than the bible and illogical Christian rhetoric! I suggest you look at Deism and then Christian Deism, and perhaps books such as "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine and "Christianity as Old as the Creation" by Mathew Tindal

List of Deists so you dont think i'm crazy

Albert Einstein
Alexander Pope
Mark Twain
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
George Washington
(yes the founding fathers wernt athiest or Christian contrary to popular beleif!)