bombarding Gaza

Will this accomplish anything for Israel? Will it protect them from Hamas rocket attacks? Of course not. I feel that the humanitarian disaster in Gaza will only worsen; leading a plethora of health problems for Gazans and no doubt, even more militancy and motivation for martyrdom. A temporary ceasefire brokered by Egypt seems like the best option available. Your thoughts?

[vazilizaitsev89]

there's nothing that will solve this problem, too ancient. The US and the West needs to step back and allow the israelis to do what is necessary and the UN needs to STFU as well

[Yggdrasil]

The basic goal of Israel is to morph the Gaza Strip into a situation akin to that of the West Bank. The West Bank is Palestinian government, but they are effectively powerless. Israel strictly monitors any weapons that go in and out of there, sort of like the ultimate realization of the gun lobby's nightmares. And yet, Israel will occasionally demolish homes and other buildings if it suits their interests.

Originally Posted by shitty wok

Will this accomplish anything for Israel? Will it protect them from Hamas rocket attacks? Of course not. -

Actually I saw on the news that Hamas is down to firing about 70 crappy rockets a day. Before the most recent conflict Hamas would fire over 200 of the same missiles. Israel is kicking Palestinian ass.

Also, what is everyone's beef with Israel? It's Hamas who kept attacking Israeli citizens even though there was a ceasefire. Of course Israel was going to have enough of that sooner rather than later. Just because Palestinian missiles are so shit that they almost never hit their target doesn't mean that everyone can crap all over Israel's head now that Palestinian citizens are dying. Collateral damage, it's part of war, and Israel was fully justified in going to war on this one.

[ArgonPlasma2000]

Originally Posted by vazilizaitsev89

The US and the West needs to step back and allow the israelis to do what is necessary

Commit suicide?

Sickening. I read this on BBC earlier.


Thursday's Israeli bombardment was the heaviest so far
The Red Cross has accused Israel of failing to fulfil its obligation to help wounded civilians in Gaza.

One medical team found 12 bodies in a shelled house, and alongside them four very young children, too weak to stand, waiting by their dead mothers, the ICRC said.
Aid workers had been denied access to the site for days, it added.

"This is a shocking incident," Pierre Wettach, ICRC head for Israel and the Palestinian territories said in a statement.

"The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded."


Fuck Israel.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

When fighting a war against terrorists, the worst way to conduct it is to create many civilian casualties. More indiscriminate casualties leads to hatred directed at you and more support for those fighting against you. The Israeli tactic of using long range high explosives in the crowded residential areas of Gaza guarantees a high civilian casualty rate. The accidental bombing of schools, refugee camps and hospitals achieves one thing: Propaganda for Hamas. Why does a country with one of the best trained, best equipped special forces refuse to use them? If you're seeking to assassinate key figures without civilian casualties surely an elite unit guided by Mossad intelligence is an ideal weapon? Why are the Israelis positively trying to cause as many indiscriminate casualties in a short amount of time, just like they did in the most recent foray into Lebanon? Why are the people of the West Bank and Golan Heights still being punished despite the fact that they have for the most part renounced extremism? The fact is that when the Israelis stop this blitz on Gaza (which they inevitably will, even if it takes as long as the stepping down of George Bush for this to happen), the threat of violence they face from Palestinian terrorists will be greater than when they started this most recent campaign. Suicide bombers had disappeared from the Hamas arsenal for several years, but they will make a return once this is over.

Originally Posted by Dre Crabbe

Actually I saw on the news that Hamas is down to firing about 70 crappy rockets a day. Before the most recent conflict Hamas would fire over 200 of the same missiles. Israel is kicking Palestinian ass.

Also, what is everyone's beef with Israel? It's Hamas who kept attacking Israeli citizens even though there was a ceasefire. Of course Israel was going to have enough of that sooner rather than later. Just because Palestinian missiles are so shit that they almost never hit their target doesn't mean that everyone can crap all over Israel's head now that Palestinian citizens are dying. Collateral damage, it's part of war, and Israel was fully justified in going to war on this one.

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[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Dre Crabbe

Also, what is everyone's beef with Israel? It's Hamas who kept attacking Israeli citizens even though there was a ceasefire.

From what I understand, it's Israel that broke the ceasefire, causing the usual crap from Hamas. But why care when they can easily blame Hamas and people will blindly accept it? Honestly, it reeks of premeditation.

Originally Posted by Iehovah

From what I understand, it's Israel that broke the ceasefire, causing the usual crap from Hamas.

How so? Hamas kept firing rockets during the ceasefire, so Israel retaliates. Simple. How did Israel break the ceasefire?

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Dre Crabbe

How so? Hamas kept firing rockets during the ceasefire, so Israel retaliates. Simple. How did Israel break the ceasefire?

Has it occurred to you to ask -why- they were firing the rockets, or do you just buy into the "omg they're all mindless jew haters" garbage the Israel spills?

The reason they started firing those rockets was because Israel took part in a raid that killed six Palestinian gunmen. Israel's excuse was that they had some intel saying that the Palestinian gunmen were going to do something with some tunnel. That's breaking the truce.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...hepalestinians

[ArgonPlasma2000]

Originally Posted by devoiced

Sickening. I read this on BBC earlier.


Thursday's Israeli bombardment was the heaviest so far
The Red Cross has accused Israel of failing to fulfil its obligation to help wounded civilians in Gaza.

One medical team found 12 bodies in a shelled house, and alongside them four very young children, too weak to stand, waiting by their dead mothers, the ICRC said.
Aid workers had been denied access to the site for days, it added.

"This is a shocking incident," Pierre Wettach, ICRC head for Israel and the Palestinian territories said in a statement.

"The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded."


Fuck Israel.

They litter the land with leaflets telling the Paltestinians to GTFO because they are going to bomb their shit, even though the borders are closed. But you say that Israeli caring nothing about giving medical help to some Palestinian children surprises you?

About the only thing that the Jews could do that would surprise me is if they gassed the entire Strip with VX.

[Sex Panther]

^^ Yeah, i read about that one.

Hamas isn't really bombing indiscriminately per se. They said they're pretty much trying to kill all the jews and Israel is full of them amirite?

Seriously though, I think you have to be of jewish heritage to be an Israeli citizen.

Apparently Lebanon is getting into it as well.