I was just wanting to get some opinions on what i should buy with all my xmas money :D ..should i get 200 mg of JWH-018 for $70 or 1 gram of methylone for $85 bucks? im kinda leaning toward the JWH because i think i can get more out of it for my money.

Why not just buy some actual weed?

Why not just buy some actual weed?

Cause i get piss tested every week..damn the person who invented home drug tests!

methylone is fun from experience

from what I've heard, JWH is not too great.

Methylone is expensive, you'll end up doing the whole gram in one or two nights, but its worth it. I would buy again.

hope that helps

The methylone is sort of expensive and will only last you 5 times.

The gram of JWH sounds like a good price, and 18 is not bad at all it is actually the compound that is laced in spice gold.

The JWH will last so fucking long.

Yea..i think im gonna go with the JWH cause only 5 doses for 85 bucks is way too much..especially when the JWH is active at like 5mg..thats like 40 doses for $70

as a former occasional spice gold consumer, i would love to know where to order some jwh for great prices like that ;)

MethylONE!!!!!
Trust me you wont regret it... takes a nice dose to feel the full potential.

But seriously... methylone is much nicer then some crappy synthetic CB1/CB2 agonist...

THC is a cb1/cb2 agonist.

Many people say 18 is very similar to weed.

You have never tried it, so don't judge.

Do you have a source for something like pure JWH-018 powder? Or are you just talking about the spice? If JWH-018 is legal, I'd love to know that source.

Why go for a synthetic pot alternative when you can get some real Methylone!?

Drug analog act. Botanical sources are the only ones that can be posted here, and in all likelihood, all you're going to get.

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I hope I don't get banned for posting this. I just want to spread the love.

Drug analog act. Botanical sources are the only ones that can be posted here, and in all likelihood, all you're going to get.

What is JWH analogous of?

your paying way too much for your methylone

wayyy 2 much

Black Pope, cannabinoids. I already knew about the analogue act, in hindsight, it was stupid to ask. I guess I was hoping it was ok because posting Spice sources is ok, but I understand my mistake.

Wow you are dumb as a rock. The analouge act says something that is chemically similar to and has a upper/downer/hallucenogen effect, not something that resmebles the feeling of another drug.

Unless you can prove to me that JWH is chemically similar to THC you can go fuck yourself.

Wow you are dumb as a rock. The analouge act says something that is chemically similar to and has a upper/downer/hallucenogen effect, not something that resmebles the feeling of another drug.

Unless you can prove to me that JWH is chemically similar to THC you can go fuck yourself.

Yea, who would have ever thought that a synthetic cannabinoid would be an analogue of natural ones?

"not something that resembles the feeling of another drug" Actually, that's the whole point of the Analogue Act, it's a net to catch anything similar to a controlled substance, this includes chemical similarity or similarity in effects.

"Each of the JWH chemicals have varying effects on the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however JWH-018 has been singled out by researchers (and recreational users) as one which possesses qualities quite similar to THC."

So the effects are substantially similar to a Schedule 1 substance. Weed can have stimulant, depressant, and hallucinogenic effects, so I doubt that the U.S. government would have a problem interpreting that section of the Analogue Act in that way.

Also, are you too dumb to look up pictures of the JWH-018 molecule and THC molecule? Look at the two for a good five seconds and tell me they're not chemically similar.

So JWH-018 is determined to be a THC analogue based on not only one, but two, separate definitions of an analogue as defined by the Analogue Act. That's why I said it was stupid for me to ask. No way this stuff couldn't be prosecuted as an analogue.

Source for my JWH-018 quote: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71910
The second page of that thread discusses why JWH-018 is an analogue in Canada too.

Remember, stupidity might make you look silly, but outright ignorance causes you to fail.

Wow you are dumb as a rock. The analouge act says something that is chemically similar to and has a upper/downer/hallucenogen effect, not something that resmebles the feeling of another drug.

Unless you can prove to me that JWH is chemically similar to THC you can go fuck yourself.

Wow, no need for all that hostility there.

Yea, who would have ever thought that a synthetic cannabinoid would be an analogue of natural ones?

"not something that resembles the feeling of another drug" Actually, that's the whole point of the Analogue Act, it's a net to catch anything similar to a controlled substance, this includes chemical similarity or similarity in effects.

"Each of the JWH chemicals have varying effects on the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however JWH-018 has been singled out by researchers (and recreational users) as one which possesses qualities quite similar to THC."

So the effects are substantially similar to a Schedule 1 substance. Weed can have stimulant, depressant, and hallucinogenic effects, so I doubt that the U.S. government would have a problem interpreting that section of the Analogue Act in that way.

Also, are you too dumb to look up pictures of the JWH-018 molecule and THC molecule? Look at the two for a good five seconds and tell me they're not chemically similar.

So JWH-018 is determined to be a THC analogue based on not only one, but two, separate definitions of an analogue as defined by the Analogue Act. That's why I said it was stupid for me to ask. No way this stuff couldn't be prosecuted as an analogue.

Source for my JWH-018 quote: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71910
The second page of that thread discusses why JWH-018 is an analogue in Canada too.

Remember, stupidity might make you look silly, but outright ignorance causes you to fail.

T H I S, bitches.

Yea, who would have ever thought that a synthetic cannabinoid would be an analogue of natural ones?

"not something that resembles the feeling of another drug" Actually, that's the whole point of the Analogue Act, it's a net to catch anything similar to a controlled substance, this includes chemical similarity or similarity in effects.

"Each of the JWH chemicals have varying effects on the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however JWH-018 has been singled out by researchers (and recreational users) as one which possesses qualities quite similar to THC."

So the effects are substantially similar to a Schedule 1 substance. Weed can have stimulant, depressant, and hallucinogenic effects, so I doubt that the U.S. government would have a problem interpreting that section of the Analogue Act in that way.

Also, are you too dumb to look up pictures of the JWH-018 molecule and THC molecule? Look at the two for a good five seconds and tell me they're not chemically similar.

So JWH-018 is determined to be a THC analogue based on not only one, but two, separate definitions of an analogue as defined by the Analogue Act. That's why I said it was stupid for me to ask. No way this stuff couldn't be prosecuted as an analogue.

Source for my JWH-018 quote: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71910
The second page of that thread discusses why JWH-018 is an analogue in Canada too.

Remember, stupidity might make you look silly, but outright ignorance causes you to fail.

You suck dick on so many levels.


THC molecule:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/marijuana-thc-molecule.jpg
IUPAC:(−)-(6aR,10aR)-6,6,9-trimethyl-
3-pentyl-6a,7,8,10a-tetrahydro-
6H-benzo[c]chromen-1-ol

And JWH-18 molecule:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/JWH-018.svg/220px-JWH-018.svg.png
IUPAC:Naphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)methanone

They are NOT chemically similar, you dumb motherfucker. You are so incredibly fucking stupid I can't even understand it. Jesus Christ dude.


Definition of analog act:

Definition

(32)

* (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
o (i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
o (ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
o (iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.



It needs to meet all of these requirements.
1) The chemicals must be similar. JWH and THC are not similar
2) The analog chemical must produce a psychoactive effect similar to the illicit chemical (in this case it does, but btw weed is not a stimulant, how old are you haha???
3) The person must intend to consume it.




IF one of those requirements aren't met, it is voided.

One of those requirements arent met. They aren't chemically similar.


You are a fucking idiot and make yourself look so fucking dumb.

has this turned into a deabate abut dope analogues.....
the simple answer to the original question has got to be more complicated than buy this or that..... your price for methylone is way over the top, its possible to buy in th uk for£12.50 a g, methylone is far superior, if you want to get stoned why not smoke some weed, if you want to get some m1, know the going rate and have a look on google like everyone else !

You suck dick on so many levels.


THC molecule:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/marijuana-thc-molecule.jpg
IUPAC:(−)-(6aR,10aR)-6,6,9-trimethyl-
3-pentyl-6a,7,8,10a-tetrahydro-
6H-benzo[c]chromen-1-ol

And JWH-18 molecule:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/JWH-018.svg/220px-JWH-018.svg.png
IUPAC:Naphthalen-1-yl-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)methanone

They are NOT chemically similar, you dumb motherfucker. You are so incredibly fucking stupid I can't even understand it. Jesus Christ dude.

Ok bitch, think about this. There is no definition of "substantially similar" in the Analogue Act. This means that if they wanted to go to ridiculous extents, they could prosecute things that only had one similar functional group. Obviously they're not going to do this, as it would get thrown out of court. However, what do you think is going to happen when they tell a jury of your peers that you're being prosecuted for possession of a synthetic chemical that is in the same class as the chemicals in cannabis? Sounds substantially similar enough to get away with. Add a few pictures of those two molecules, demonstrate how they're vaguely similar due to similar functional groups and chemical formulas, mention that they affect the same receptors as cannabis does, and game over, your ass is charged. I'm not going to debate whether these two chemicals are 'substantially similar', because that's the whole flaw of the analogue act, you can't define that concept. Besides, the fact that they're considered the same class of chemical could convince most before any pictures would even have to be shown. Do they look similar enough to convince a jury? Depends on how educated the jury is, want to take bets?

It needs to meet all of these requirements.
1) The chemicals must be similar. JWH and THC are not similar
2) The analog chemical must produce a psychoactive effect similar to the illicit chemical (in this case it does, but btw weed is not a stimulant, how old are you haha???
3) The person must intend to consume it.

IF one of those requirements aren't met, it is voided.

One of those requirements arent met. They aren't chemically similar.

Next time, bother to read the entire page you copypasta from. Case history has shown that the DEA usually prosecutes based on a substance fulfilling both sections i and ii. However, the absence of a conjunction between those two conditions means they could prosecute based on a substance fulfilling i or ii, meaning they don't even have to bother with proving the molecules are similar, your ass can be in court just because your JWH-018 produces effects similar to THC. They would have no problem at all proving that. So thanks to this loophole, you're charged before you can even argue that the substances aren't chemically similar. By the way, the effects of weed vary by strain, and some strains do exhibit stimulant properties. That's why it falls into all those categories at once.

You are a fucking idiot and make yourself look so fucking dumb.

Actually no, but like I said, I'd rather say something stupid and look silly than be an ignorant hard-headed dumbass like you. Half of fucking totse thinks you're a dumbass, but you still think you're smart because you spout off your misguided, erroneous rants. I'm sure you'll have another one to add to this thread, so bitch away like I know you will.

Ok bitch, think about this. There is no definition of "substantially similar" in the Analogue Act. This means that if they wanted to go to ridiculous extents, they could prosecute things that only had one similar functional group. Obviously they're not going to do this, as it would get thrown out of court. However, what do you think is going to happen when they tell a jury of your peers that you're being prosecuted for possession of a synthetic chemical that is in the same class as the chemicals in cannabis? Sounds substantially similar enough to get away with. Add a few pictures of those two molecules, demonstrate how they're vaguely similar due to similar functional groups and chemical formulas, mention that they affect the same receptors as cannabis does, and game over, your ass is charged. I'm not going to debate whether these two chemicals are 'substantially similar', because that's the whole flaw of the analogue act, you can't define that concept. Besides, the fact that they're considered the same class of chemical could convince most before any pictures would even have to be shown. Do they look similar enough to convince a jury? Depends on how educated the jury is, want to take bets?

That is the fucking point. IT WILL GET THROWN OUT OF COURT. No prosecution, no problem, what the fuck is wrong with you? You lost, I outsmarted you, don't try to keep changing the fucking subject.

You originally asked if JWH18 was legal. Darkus responded saying no becasue it was an analoug. I asked what it was an analog of, and you said cannabinoids. The point is whether or not JWH is legal, or will get you prosecuted. This shit would get thrown out of court, like you said, and therefor is legal, you STUPID FUCK.

"depending on the education of the jury"

If a jury was smart enough to understand functional groups, they would also be smart enough to to understand that there is no way that JWH is analogus to THC. And if they weren't smart enough, it would not look chemically similar.

You jusr made yourself look like a dumbass, I didn't even need to write this paragraph.


Next time, bother to read the entire page you copypasta from. Case history has shown that the DEA usually prosecutes based on a substance fulfilling both sections i and ii. However, the absence of a conjunction between those two conditions means they could prosecute based on a substance fulfilling i or ii, meaning they don't even have to bother with proving the molecules are similar, your ass can be in court just because your JWH-018 produces effects similar to THC. They would have no problem at all proving that. So thanks to this loophole, you're charged before you can even argue that the substances aren't chemically similar. By the way, the effects of weed vary by strain, and some strains do exhibit stimulant properties. That's why it falls into all those categories at once.

WEED IS NOT A STIMULANT ARE YOU 13 YEARS OLD YOU FUCKING FAGGOT? STOP SAYING WEED IS AN UPPER, WOW.

The article also says that cases have been thrown out of court. You can not charge someone under the analog act for something that happens to have a property that gets you high.

What about salvia, you stupid mother fucker, or any other legal drug? None of these gets you prosecuted just becasue it only satisfies one of the requirements of the analog act (for example with salvia it has "hallucenation." You are such a moron


Actually no, but like I said, I'd rather say something stupid and look silly than be an ignorant hard-headed dumbass like you. Half of fucking totse thinks you're a dumbass, but you still think you're smart because you spout off your misguided, erroneous rants. I'm sure you'll have another one to add to this thread, so bitch away like I know you will.

Too bad all you do is make yourself sound like a dumbass and make it really fucking easy to point out how stupid you are.

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Weed can have stimulant...effects

has this turned into a deabate abut dope analogues.....
the simple answer to the original question has got to be more complicated than buy this or that..... your price for methylone is way over the top, its possible to buy in th uk for£12.50 a g, methylone is far superior, if you want to get stoned why not smoke some weed, if you want to get some m1, know the going rate and have a look on google like everyone else !

hey, I made a bit of a mistake there, methylone is twice the price i stated, ie 25, its mephedrone thets 12.5

That is the fucking point. IT WILL GET THROWN OUT OF COURT. No prosecution, no problem, what the fuck is wrong with you? You lost, I outsmarted you, don't try to keep changing the fucking subject.

You originally asked if JWH18 was legal. Darkus responded saying no becasue it was an analoug. I asked what it was an analog of, and you said cannabinoids. The point is whether or not JWH is legal, or will get you prosecuted. This shit would get thrown out of court, like you said, and therefor is legal, you STUPID FUCK.

I said one functional group would get thrown out of court, not multiple groups on two chemicals in the same class. I guess I didn't make my original post in this thread clear enough. I was asking if pure JWH-018 powder was legal, and obviously it's not, or the source would be on Google, OP would have happily shared it, and Darkus wouldn't have said anything. I also wouldn't have had to deal with your retarded ass; you don't know how much more this makes me wish JWH-018 powder were legal even though it isn't. Can the DEA interpret the Analogue Act to read that JWH-018 is an an analogue of cannabinoids? Yes motherfucker, you cannot deny that. Case history, intelligence of jury, and chemical similarity, none of that matters if you consider that you can possibly be prosecuted just based on the grounds that it has similar effects to cannabis. The government can define it as an illegal analogue, you can possibly be prosecuted for it, therefore it is not legal, which is why we cannot share the source on this board. The only stupid thing I did in this thread was ask for the source, which I admitted was stupid afterward. If JWH-018 is legal why don't you go ahead and post the source? Go ahead and convince the mods that it's ok to do that. Or better yet, why don't you just email us all the source? You won't have to deal with the mods deleting your post because it's illegal, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind giving up that source, since you're not doing anything wrong, correct? Since it's legal, you should suffer no penalty for shouting the source for the pure powder from the rooftops. Don't even want to give up the source? Become a source, re-sell us some, there's nothing wrong with that because it's legal right? (Mods, please note my sarcasm, I'm not really asking for sources of course.)

No one would do any of that obvious shit because they wouldn't want to take the risk of being caught selling or linking to something that could be construed as illegal.

WEED IS NOT A STIMULANT ARE YOU 13 YEARS OLD YOU FUCKING FAGGOT? STOP SAYING WEED IS AN UPPER, WOW.
If you've never smoked a strain that gave stimulating effects, you obviously haven't smoked that much weed. I'm not saying weed is similar to meth dumbass, I'm saying that it can have stimulating effects, if you deny this you're even more dense than I thought you were.

The article also says that cases have been thrown out of court. You can not charge someone under the analog act for something that happens to have a property that gets you high.

You can if that property is similar to properties exhibited by a Schedule I or II substance, which is what I've been trying to get into that thick skull of yours all along. Your case might get thrown out, it might not. If you want to take that risk, go ahead, some of us actually try to avoid doing time.

What about salvia, you stupid mother fucker, or any other legal drug? None of these gets you prosecuted just becasue it only satisfies one of the requirements of the analog act (for example with salvia it has "hallucenation." You are such a moron

That's the worst example you could have picked. Salvia isn't similar to any other drug, it also has a unique pharmacological profile, that's why it doesn't get prosecuted under the Analogue Act. They would have to schedule Salvia if they wanted to prosecute its possession. Although, if we still have the same Analogue Act years in the future and they're getting desperate for drug convictions, I wouldn't put it past them to try something like that.

Please post back and tell me JWH-018 could not not possibly be prosecuted under the Analogue Act. I'd love to see some more fail out of you, this is kind of funny.

That is the fucking point. IT WILL GET THROWN OUT OF COURT. No prosecution, no problem, what the fuck is wrong with you? You lost, I outsmarted you, don't try to keep changing the fucking subject.

You originally asked if JWH18 was legal. Darkus responded saying no becasue it was an analoug. I asked what it was an analog of, and you said cannabinoids. The point is whether or not JWH is legal, or will get you prosecuted. This shit would get thrown out of court, like you said, and therefor is legal, you STUPID FUCK.

"depending on the education of the jury"

If a jury was smart enough to understand functional groups, they would also be smart enough to to understand that there is no way that JWH is analogus to THC. And if they weren't smart enough, it would not look chemically similar.

You jusr made yourself look like a dumbass, I didn't even need to write this paragraph.


WEED IS NOT A STIMULANT ARE YOU 13 YEARS OLD YOU FUCKING FAGGOT? STOP SAYING WEED IS AN UPPER, WOW.

The article also says that cases have been thrown out of court. You can not charge someone under the analog act for something that happens to have a property that gets you high.

What about salvia, you stupid mother fucker, or any other legal drug? None of these gets you prosecuted just becasue it only satisfies one of the requirements of the analog act (for example with salvia it has "hallucenation." You are such a moron



Too bad all you do is make yourself sound like a dumbass and make it really fucking easy to point out how stupid you are.

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Dude...just give up already. You just got pwned, twice. Please, go away.