I've tried large hits of strong salvia multiple times now, and every time no matter how good of a mindset I put myself in, if I break through all the way I get an overwhelming feeling like extract of salvia divinorum just wasn't meant for humans. It feels wrong. I've really felt so much fear, I've even felt what felt like actual physical pain.

Could be I'm just a lightweight when it comes to this drug, I accept that, I just wanted to get some input from other experienced salvia users, or even one timers!

nah. it's just a hang-up we get at this stage of evolutionary development. it's mostly a societal thing. we're a pretty fucked up species.

edit: the fact that you can see it means you're one of the only ones able to change it :)

My experiences with the stuff has not been pleasent either, so it's not just that you're a nob...

Salvia isn't a 'fun' recreational drug. I enjoy smoking it occasionally; I've never had what I'd call a really positive experience, but I've had many interesting experiences.

I'm going to try to combination of a low-medium dose of MDMA and salvia (80x, which is worrying, I've only had 20x before) soon. I figure it'll either combine with the MDMA to make a scary, hyper-paranoid trip or combine with the MDMA to make a happier, more unifying/accepting trip (I find salvia trips to be almost hostile in a similar way to you, OP, like I'm not really welcome when I break through). I'll update when I do it.

I'm with you OP.
That shit is just not made for human consumption.

I've had a few interesting trips... but for the most part its lame. The smoke is harsh and tastes like shit, breaking through is fucked up, and if you don't break through you get this unpleasant body load.

It's more of a novelty it think, it was definatly worthy experimenting with a few times- its just not worth doing after that.

Like everyone else has said, no euphoria what so ever, in fact the opposite, think what kind of use Salvia could have as a chemical war agent, soldiers would litterly trip the fuck out

seriously. a strong dose of salvia would incapacitate you much more than a flashbang or whatever they use.

What's wrong with you guys? When I used to smoke that stuff and breakthrough, I would laugh hysterically like my life depended upon laughter. Even during one trip where the walls of a room were closing in on me and eventually started to "crush" me up like a trash compactor, I was still totally enjoying it and found myself laughing uncontrollably. In my experience the trips are goofy, fun, and beautiful. Dancing in fields of flowers, having conversations with leaves, becoming a lego in a lego world, or chilling on a remote tropical island does not strike me as a bad trip.

I've always enjoyed salvia. The initial effects feel dirty and the "gravity" isn't too pleasant but once you're in, I find it's fun yet eye-opening at the same time. I've never felt pain or been scared/depressed during a salvia trip. Maybe it's just the person.

I can't even talk when I trip hard on Salvia, the only thing that comes out are mumbles of incoherent shit. I also feel like i've died and gone to some other place everytime i do it. It was fun to do a few times, but the novelty wears off when you realize all the fucked up shit that happens.

There was one time I thought i was on the 10,000 dollar pyramid, I got the answer wrong to one of the questions, I ended up dying and awoke in a Sarcophagus. Pretty scary.

Ir another time I thought I was lost in the Sahara, and was attacked by a Bedouin tribe.

i only have 5 salvia trips under my belt, but i've enjoyed them all immensely. i always try to approach the drug with an optimistic respect, and i have so far been rewarded with unique and truly intense experiences.

i'm not sure what possible benefit the drug offers to those who take it, as it isnt an introspective or particularly insightful experience. i just think of it like sky diving. it's a huge adrenaline rush and lots of fun, nothing more.

I can't even talk when I trip hard on Salvia, the only thing that comes out are mumbles of incoherent shit.

I can speak normally on salvia, even though what I say sounds crazy to sober people. Either I can talk while tripping, or I'm tripping so hard I don't even think about speech. I remember the first time I truly broke through I calmly said to my friend, "tell the lady I sent you into the new world" and immediately collapsed back into the trip. He was going to try it for the first time right after my trip was over so I guess that's what compelled me to say it. I guess I just knew he would be in the same state I was soon enough so I had to convey something about it. Plus there was this lady that was giving me a guided tour so I wanted him to tell her he knew me.

He enjoyed himself as well. He thought he was a riverboat captain's mate in the middle of a mutiny and this art class project he made hanging from the ceiling was the captain. He kept pointing at it and was trying to shoot it with hand gestures. Funny shit. Then he thought he was a dinosaur.

I didn't have fun on salvia, I had one of the most horrible experiences I've ever gone through in my life. I'm so thankful I actually had a sitter with me. OP, I know what you mean about feeling like a lightweight, two hits off some 5x was too much for me to handle. Afterwards, I vowed that if I ever smoked salvia again, I would just smoke leaf. I think sublingual salvia would be interesting, it's not supposed to be as intense as smoking. Regardless, if I ever decide to try it again, I'm avoiding extracts like the plague.

weaponized salvia.... what a lulzy biochemical warefare that would be....

you throw a canister of it out, gas pours from the canister, everyone shortly thereafter is laughing hysterically, rambling nonsense, or just on the floor or wandering around in a whole other world....

datura would be another interesting one, considerably more lethal if the concentration was high enough, and it would last longer....


I dont like or hate saliva, i walked into a fire on it a while back and that wasn't a lot of fun but the trips are always interesting to say the least....

I enjoy smoking salvia.

Just something, for all of you, to think about:

To smoke/burn the green salvia foliage is thought(by the shamans) to be an insult to the spirit of the plant(goddess salvia?)

It can be a deeply introspective substance, if done right.
And a strong elation, from subsequent vision/understanding, will last for quite some time.

Just something, for all of you, to think about:

To smoke/burn the green salvia foliage is thought(by the shamans) to be an insult to the spirit of the plant(goddess salvia?)

It can be a deeply introspective substance, if done right.
And a strong elation, from subsequent vision/understanding, will last for quite some time.

That's not what she said.

Link for proof.

A pal of mine put 100mg of DMT on top of a massive cone of salvia 20x.

He hasn't been the same siunce. Says he sees spirits and pixies and things.

Lmao.

that would probably go far beyond the machine elves.... the only issue would be the heating, DMT vaporizes far below what salvia does... i guess if you loaded up a bong and heated it very slowly at first then switched to a torch lighter and burned it all up you could get it to work....

Don't worry, I've had shit like that happen. I never really got the "fear" but I have had garden gnomes attack me with pitchforks and I could sure the hell feel that.

Salvia is like that.

dude i get that same feeling when smoking extracts...i sometimes have sensations where i feel as if salvia is "punishing" me while tripping and that us humans shouldn't be in this salvia world, idk its hard to explain unless you've done salvia.... yeah try leaves man, i've broken thru on leaves, you have to smoke a bit, but it's alot more easy to integrate the whole experience. because with extract that shit just launches you so fucking far.... or you should just try like 5x or something and do pinches of that on top of leaves.

I'm going to try to combination of a low-medium dose of MDMA and salvia (80x, which is worrying, I've only had 20x before) soon. I figure it'll either combine with the MDMA to make a scary, hyper-paranoid trip or combine with the MDMA to make a happier, more unifying/accepting trip (I find salvia trips to be almost hostile in a similar way to you, OP, like I'm not really welcome when I break through). I'll update when I do it.


k have fun... sounds like worst combo ever

Why do I get the feeling that most people who smoke salvia never actually break through?

i dunno about you, but I took one monster rip of some 25x and was in another very scary fucked up world for at least 10 minutes(jesters, clowns, ghosts, books of knowledge, big flying letters, a field/factory.. and so on), and then I was half in the world, half in reality for another ten.

Weird, I've tripped twice on that herb and both times it has been wonderfull. First was with x20, the next was with x40. The only way I can describe the trips are as being "brutal". I don't know why people get fear and paranoia; maybe it's just personal issues, I dunno. It's fun from beginning to end; the way you feel you are sinking or being pulled, it's like when you are initiating a roller coaster ride. Suddenly you start laughing and let yourself be taken away someplace else and watch everything in a surreal, glittery cartoony 2-D fashion. It's always dreamy and fantastic. It does really make your conscience go bogus and realize reality is far more complicated that what we think it is.

It's the best drug ever.

weaponized salvia.... what a lulzy biochemical warefare that would be....

you throw a canister of it out, gas pours from the canister, everyone shortly thereafter is laughing hysterically, rambling nonsense, or just on the floor or wandering around in a whole other world....

datura would be another interesting one, considerably more lethal if the concentration was high enough, and it would last longer....


I dont like or hate saliva, i walked into a fire on it a while back and that wasn't a lot of fun but the trips are always interesting to say the least....

Datura has been used in the past, in fact its how it got the name Jameson (Jimson) Weed.

The James-Town Weed (which resembles the Thorny Apple of Peru, and I take to be the plant so call'd) is supposed to be one of the greatest coolers in the world. This being an early plant, was gather'd very young for a boil'd salad, by some of the soldiers sent thither to quell the rebellion of Bacon (1676); and some of them ate plentifully of it, the effect of which was a very pleasant comedy, for they turned natural fools upon it for several days: one would blow up a feather in the air; another would dart straws at it with much fury; and another, stark naked, was sitting up in a corner like a monkey, grinning and making mows [grimaces] at them; a fourth would fondly kiss and paw his companions, and sneer in their faces with a countenance more antic than any in a Dutch droll.

In this frantic condition they were confined, lest they should, in their folly, destroy themselves — though it was observed that all their actions were full of innocence and good nature. Indeed, they were not very cleanly; for they would have wallowed in their own excrements, if they had not been prevented. A thousand such simple tricks they played, and after eleven days returned themselves again, not remembering anything that had passed. – The History and Present State of Virginia, 1705

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium#History

I've thought the same fucking thing.
That aside, I've had a few trips on it and didn't really enjoy it, but I can't say I hated it. It's interesting stuff, and I'd say best to smoke with friends around.

Saliva is not to be fucked with, thats why i wont fuck with it.

People need to understand that salvia is a deliriant aka the most powerful denomination of drug ( i suppose that is debatable), of course all drugs are powerful. Salvia is not quantitatively powerful its qualitatively powerful, and really i am very inexperienced with drugs.

Im arguing deliriants are more powerful than other types of drug's are more powerful than other types of drugs because they are non recreational, and that would be my arguments as to why salvia is more powerful than LSD.

Non recreational drugs arent exclusive to deliriants i dont think though, high doses of dissociative's such as ketamine (k-hole) or DXM(4th plateau) are arguably non-recreational.

I argue this because on recreational drugs you are ultimately in control, whereas on non-recreational drugs the drug's are in control.

That is why i dont feel im prepared for salvia yet.

I have a workmate who is a bit younger than me and in my opinion quite naive; we frequently talked about drug's because its something where both interested in (but hes not really someone whos into finding out about it before doing it). I managed to talk him into doing 600mg DXM and he said that did nothing exept make him shit his pants. I personally took that as him trying to look like someone who could "handle drug's" because of his niavity and ego.

He always said some shit like "man, i want to see Bamby". There seems to be this social construction that hallucinating/visuals are cool.

Anyway some time later he tells me that he tried Salvia 20x and it was the worst experience he's ever had in his life.

He said there was this witch following him around the whole time and it was generally such a bad time.

No fucking wonder, he was with his nigger mates who were laughing at him and mocking him whilst blasting there nigger music in a fully light room.

its really not that bad....I mean people make it out to be this horrible drug, the effects last for fucking 5 minutes.

My first time with salvia, I had the time of my life. Tiny little people building a fence around my feet, seeing the world outside the window being rolled up, being stuck between the real world and some other world with otherworldly friends. Hard to explain, really. I think I saw Mickey Mouse too. Good times. But since then I haven't been able to experience those same effects. That was on 20X, maybe I should step it up a notch.

I remember on 20x falling into a stack of papers, after taking a bong rip of the shit, and holding it in.....

Like everyone else has said, no euphoria what so ever, in fact the opposite,

thats because salvinorin A is a dysphoric substance

Does Salvia have any long term side effects?

I'm from one of the worlds largest cities. I have access to anything and I have a camera, so I can prove it, although I won't bother proving little twerps wrong. I only smoke weed sometimes and don't really use anything else anymore.

But I definitely get euphoria from salvia. I won't tell other people to expect euphoria from it, because I don't think many do.. I'm talking about with low doses though. I haven't met anyone that had euphoria while actually breaking through and being "through". Low doses can be euphoric but for anyone that hasn't tried it, I recommend a high dose that'll make them break through because otherwise they may just get really annoying and angry from it. Salvia tends to irritate the fuck outta certain people at low doses.

If someone tries a low dose and becomes an irrtated shithead, it may prevent them from actually gaining anything from the salvia experience, and they may not even want to try it again if it just irritates them so much the first time. And plus, most people deserve ego death and can benefit from it. With ego death, they may not want to try it again and probably won't, but at least they'll have one heck of an experience. And I've seen salvia induced ego death do great things for people, particularly drug addicts or people that were too arrogant.

Salvia use doesn't seem to have any long term effects at doses used by native Oaxacans. But they're not using the high potency extract that other people use.