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Backyard Ballistics This forum is dedicated to the safe teaching and responsible handling of high and low explosives. You will not find any information on how to make "bombs" or any such device(s) . Backyard ballistics will teach you the science and the art of pyrotechnics and how to manufacture and use explosives/pyrotechnics safely and responsibly. Backyard ballistics is also a haven for rocketry and pneumatic cannons. All information contained within this forum is for educational purposes ONLY. Totse does not accept responsiblity for any incident involving the use of the information contained within this forum.

 
 
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Old 2008-12-19, 01:13
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Default Plastique Thermite?

Has anyone considered a plastique Thermite? Does such a thing exist?

I realize the applications may not be huge or that it's a very practical thing in the first place but I am curious.

I just realized how misleading the topic title is. I mean, in general, mixing Thermite with platic, of course.

My main thoughts now aren't on just plastic but mixing it with a Napalm variant. Probably Polystyrene based but with variants in the fuel. For example instead of Benzene and Gasoline I might be adding nitro methane and encapsulating the Thermite in shavings of Magnesium. I am not convinced simply mixing it in will work as efficiently.

Any thoughts?

Omfg, it just occurred to me. If this were to work and I put it in a Molotov cocktail I would be breaking some kind of record here on Totse. Thermite, Napalm, and Molotov's, it's almost the work of god.

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Old 2008-12-19, 11:56
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

So ... you want to mix thermite with "a" plastic, not the explosive plastique?

Well, there's been attempts of mixing thermite with acrylic, but it didn't work any better than just putting the stuff into an envelope as far as "keeping it toghether" was concerned.
You're also not the first one to think of thermite molotovs, now if only there was someone here with a vast knowledge of incendiaries and slowburning compositions to tell you how to make that work ...
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Old 2008-12-19, 20:36
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

According to this guide it can be done via mixing it with clay or play doh
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Old 2008-12-19, 21:47
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

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You're also not the first one to think of thermite molotovs,
Yes but not Napalm infused with Thermite in a Molotov cocktail.

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According to this guide it can be done via mixing it with clay or play doh
Wouldn't putting it in clay harden the clay?
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Old 2008-12-20, 19:21
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

i have this feeling that if you were to thicken a petroleium product and you had a hermogonous mixture of iron oxide and aluminum you would need to have a high percentage of magnesium to bring heat to this all .. problem is you also need to have ALOT of thermite in you molitov ... it is going to be like a big runny metalic paste now weither or not the flame from the moltive ignites the magnesium or not diffrent story but for sure worth a shot try dry mixtures magnesium and thermite and see if you can come up with a descent flame sensative mixture
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Old 2008-12-29, 11:04
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

have to say the idea is really not new, but kinda cool to muse over. i really have to ask what you are going to use it for really. I honestly think any tactical use of thermite that could be used in a moldable is done in faster ways really.
however i think that a plaster mix could work okish..i think the water in the mix would cause a steam explosion and send slag everyplace if you were thinking of a mix and light thing.
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Old 2008-12-31, 10:55
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If it's a Molotov it needs to fly and break... Just putting thermite in a bottle does not classify it as a Molotov imo.
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Old 2008-12-31, 20:46
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This thread makes me :(

First of all, of what use would it be? Second of all, it would be hard, if not impossible, to add enough of an inert filler to make it plastic, but still have the iron oxide and Al still in good contact.
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Old 2008-12-31, 23:37
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This thread makes me :(
First of all, of what use would it be?

You can't think of one idea? I can think of many.
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Old 2009-01-01, 05:17
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I mean things that you couldn't use normal thermite for anyways. No matter what, once the thermite gets going, the molten iron goes DOWN. Ain't no special kind of clay gonna change the laws of gravity.
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Old 2009-01-01, 05:36
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

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I mean things that you couldn't use normal thermite for anyways. No matter what, once the thermite gets going, the molten iron goes DOWN. Ain't no special kind of clay gonna change the laws of gravity.


I realize that which is why I pointed out that there really was no purpose for it.

The Molotove, Napalm, & Thermite idea, however. That's another story. Molotov's have but a couple purposes and enhancing them seems like an awesome idea. It may not be my own but I have never heard of anything like the mixture I am proposing. Burning fuel is one thing but molten metal mixed with sticky burning plastic is so much more destructive in almost all situations.
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Old 2009-01-01, 11:31
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

I realize that which is why I pointed out that there really was no purpose for it.

The Molotove, Napalm, & Thermite idea, however. That's another story. Molotov's have but a couple purposes and enhancing them seems like an awesome idea. It may not be my own but I have never heard of anything like the mixture I am proposing. Burning fuel is one thing but molten metal mixed with sticky burning plastic is so much more destructive in almost all situations.

Thermite needs a very high temperature to ignite, which is why we use magnesium strips. It needs to stay in a relatively large mass and close together inorder for it to be flamable. Molotovs use a highly flamable liquid that would spread when the glass breaks, the only way you'd be able to ignite thermite in a bottle is if you have it in a still position and light it via Mg strips which would disqualify it as a "molotov".
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Old 2009-01-01, 19:10
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

Thermite needs a very high temperature to ignite, which is why we use magnesium strips. It needs to stay in a relatively large mass and close together inorder for it to be flamable. Molotovs use a highly flamable liquid that would spread when the glass breaks, the only way you'd be able to ignite thermite in a bottle is if you have it in a still position and light it via Mg strips which would disqualify it as a "molotov".

I considered all of that which is why instead of strips I am thinking you would have to encase the Thermite inside of magnesium capsules roughly the size of half a thumb. The Fuel should burn hot enough to ignite the magnesium.
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Old 2009-01-02, 01:53
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Yes, but the end result would be silly and pointless. You'd get exactly the same result if you lit some normal thermite, then threw a normal Molotov cocktail. Neither would enhace the other.
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Old 2009-01-02, 02:35
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Yes, but the end result would be silly and pointless. You'd get exactly the same result if you lit some normal thermite, then threw a normal Molotov cocktail. Neither would enhace the other.


That's not the point at all. Obviously this isn't going to replace a Thermite grenade.
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Old 2009-01-03, 05:25
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

We managed to light thermite at school using potassium chlorate and sugar, then using a match to light it. Give you idea's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket <---owns your molotov cocktail :p
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Old 2009-01-03, 08:14
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket <---owns your molotov cocktail :p

Well yeah, it's a fucking cluster bomb.
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Old 2009-01-03, 22:15
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Default Re: Plastique Thermite?

We managed to light thermite at school using potassium chlorate and sugar, then using a match to light it.

You can ignite this mix with sulfuric acid to...this should give you an idea.


It is really simple....you should be able to figure it out.
 


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