I was browsing wiki earlier today and I found something of interest about cannabinoids in spice. I guess it belongs in 'I found it on the web', but you guys are the only ones who would care. There were a bunch of threads a few weeks ago about spice/chillin, so I guess we may have a verdict as to how these legal smokeables actually work. I think Im going to order some JWH-018 soon and do a side by side comparison at numerous doses to find out a little more about this.

"On December 15th 2008, it was announced by German pharmaceutical company THCPharm, that JWH-018 was found as one of the active components in at least one version of the supposedly "herbal" smoking blend, cannabis substitute drug Spice, which has been sold in a number of countries around the world since 2004, because of its legal status and its similarity in effects to marijuana." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018

I knew it, those limey bastards.

This is neat.

I read 'Spice' as 'Space'. Ah well.

It was posted on Bluelight a few days ago. Here is the translated article, Kinda hard to read because translators suck.

For the first time components of the fashion drug "Spice" proved

For the first time the components of the fashion drug "Spice" were proved. That as a "Würz" -drug mixture enthaltesogenanntes Cannabinoid sold, divided that Frankfurt Gesundheitsdezernentin Manuela red man with.

Large view bulk view analysis locked: Now is certain, what causes the intoxicating effect of "Spice".

The intoxicating material JWH-018 would not be indicated however under the ingredients. The fashion drug consists moreover of several herbs and should similarly cause after reports of consumer like marihuana and Haschisch.

Let the drug be on the Internet and in businesses for water pipes, so-called Headshops, legal available, said red man. It would count as a product such as smoke small rod and be suited according to labels not for smoking. Nevertheless it would be smoked predominantly of young adult as a "Joint".

Previously had not been well known, which substance would release the intoxication. Therefore the smoke mixture falls neither under the narcotic law yet under the medicine law. Red man emphasized that based on the new insight over the composition the federal drug delegate and the federal institute could classify the means JWH for medicine and medicine products-018 and "Spice" as a medicine.

Would be especially problematic that the means had not been tested at persons, said the medical leader the Frankfurt pharmaceutical business THC pharmaceutical, Christian Steup. It had led the investigations given by the city Frankfurt in order.

Because the material would not be allowed as a medicine, users could not know whether the means would be "pure". So a high dose had shown one of the seven examined samples at solvents.

Let the related Cannabinoid active agent be a quite simple and favorably means to be produced, said Steup. The substance wise no chemical resemblance with the cannabis active agent THC up, cause however similarly.

Problematically would be that no insights exist, which interactions the Cannabinoid „JWH-018 has" with other materials. The active agent had not been tested yet at persons.

The drug would be desired so that the Londoner would not come later manufacturer "psyche Deli" certainly with the production, said the leader the Frankfurt drug report, rains seriously. Therefore hardly yet packets with Spice would be cost in Frankfurt available, that between ten and 30 Euro.

Altogether there are 18 products of this herb mixture. They are named "gold", "Arctic synergy" or "Yukatan Fire". Seriously showed however thereupon that according to insights of the drug report "Spice" would not be spread with students.

From: http://www.haz.de/newsroom/wissen/zentral/wissen/art680,757107#

How does spice gold/diamond actually compare to weed? The only legal/alternative highs I've tried are BZP/piperazine pills, and I fucking hate BZP.

There were a bunch of threads a few weeks ago about spice/chillin.

5char

Hmmm, my local friendly hippie distributors of legal highs were telling me the new shit actually had an effect... This is pretty cool :)

Yea i told you guys back when i made my thread about spice.....knew the fuckers were lieing to us. Spray on that shit on a mix of random herbs, HEY ITS THE HERBS THAT YOUR FEELING MAN.........no way?!?!?!?!?

Reminds me i could use some spice.....hahah also anyone looking to try it stay away from spice diamond as its no different from spice gold....save the cash.

5char



For all the effort you went to quoting that sentence in your OP as a reply, you might as well have written "yeah it's pretty good, not exactly the same as weed but you get a nice buzz that lasts a while" or "nah it's not worth your money, the stuff barely even works".

I wonder how long it'll be until the DEA schedules "legal smokes". That stuff is 90% placebo, I never liked it. Just tastes terrible and weaker than real bud.

awesome

For all the effort you went to quoting that sentence in your OP as a reply, you might as well have written "yeah it's pretty good, not exactly the same as weed but you get a nice buzz that lasts a while" or "nah it's not worth your money, the stuff barely even works".

Nearly all of the spice threads lately have been hijacked by kids asking "is it like teh weedz?", then arguing about why or why not. Besides, I have personally written lots of info regarding the effect of spice, spice gold, spice diamond, and chillin XXX in comparison to weed in a few of those threads. I do not have to repeat myself in my own thread and distract from the intended purpose of this thread just because some kid cant do a fucking search.

Nearly all of the spice threads lately have been hijacked by kids asking "is it like teh weedz?", then arguing about why or why not. Besides, I have personally written lots of info regarding the effect of spice, spice gold, spice diamond, and chillin XXX in comparison to weed in a few of those threads. I do not have to repeat myself in my own thread and distract from the intended purpose of this thread just because some kid cant do a fucking search.

Looks like all that Spice is making you cranky. Chill out.

Das Gewürz muss fließen

if that's a bad translation blame it on the internet I failed german 1 so don't look at me

Perfect, actually

Just a pretty picture of JWH-018 in case anybody was curious.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7927/1054thickboxrk7.jpg

It has started

Austria bans herbal incense 'Spice'


VIENNA (AFP) — Austria's health ministry imposed an immediate ban Thursday on the sale and distribution of the herbal incense "Spice", which some people have taken to smoking for its hallucinogenic effects.

"Spice", which is sold legally in a number of countries as an exotic herbal blend that releases a rich fragrance when burned, would be banned from sale immediately in Austria because a cannabis-like substance, JWH-018, had been found in it, the ministry said in a statement.

While the effects of taking the substance had not yet been fully determined, the risks were deemed to be high, the statement added.

Thus, an immediate 14-day ban had been imposed until a more permanent ruling could be reached, the statement said.

The herbal incense mixtures -- with names such as "Spice Silver", "Spice Gold", "Spice Diamond", "Spice Arctic Synergy", "Spice Tropical Synergy", "Spice Egypt", "Spice Yucatan Fire" -- are currently freely available.

While initially marketed as an incense, posts on Internet forums devoted to drug use have extensively praised the effects of the mixtures when smoked.

Spice has been banned in Switzerland since the end of last year.

Municipal authorities in the German city of Frankfurt recently commissioned a specialist pharmaceuticals laboratory, THC Pharm, which makes medicinal substances from cannabis, to examine Spice samples and found the substance JWH-018 in all of them.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gPGX6iOfMtkndhWOyp1_r7bDUizw

I also wondered how long it was to be until someone further examined this shit......took it right to the hole with a THC pharm company lmfao.

does this mean you could fail a drug test from smoking spice?

I dunno, why don't you find the metabolites of JWH-018 and see if it matches THC's metabolites?

I dunno, why don't you find the metabolites of JWH-018 and see if it matches THC's metabolites?

Can you do it for me?

oh bother

I dunno, why don't you find the metabolites of JWH-018 and see if it matches THC's metabolites?

You blunt motherfucker.....
The metabolite of THC used in drug tests.....is THC:o

I just want to say... I brought this exact thread.... without the staggering proof to BLTC more than a YEAR AGO!!!

I TOLD YOU FUCKERS! that there are synthetic THC analogues in spice.

I was told by several well respected members to shut the fuck up and stop being a gossipy fuck.

Well... I was right.

I actually think SN was one of the people that called bullshit on me.

I dunno, why don't you find the metabolites of JWH-018 and see if it matches THC's metabolites?

NO.

All my friends who play sports smoke Spice Gold during the season.


and this is way old news dude, some chick told me at a party this summer that a really long cannibinoid name was in spice.

I remember the old thread which, in fact, postulated just this.

It would be nice, if different types of legal highs used different CB1/CB2 agonists

It would be nice if there were used shorter acting cannabinoids, because from what i hear this shit lasts much longer. Not to mention the differing affinities and receptor fit for the CB1&CB2 receptors makes spice not as pleasurable as weed. In my opinionated research.

SN is an asshole that ALWAYS thinks he is right...

I fucking knew it, there is no way the combined weak herbs in that blend could provide such a strong effect... Like I said before, they are just filler to make it look like they do something.

Google it. Its not like this is new news.

You blunt motherfucker.....
The metabolite of THC used in drug tests.....is THC:o

I know, thank you.


NO.

All my friends who play sports smoke Spice Gold during the season.


and this is way old news dude, some chick told me at a party this summer that a really long cannibinoid name was in spice.

It was long time theorized that there were cannabinoids in spice, this just *proves* it.

Google it. Its not like this is new news.

Refer to my previous statement.

I remember the old thread which, in fact, postulated just this.

It would be nice, if different types of legal highs used different CB1/CB2 agonists

It would be nice if there were used shorter acting cannabinoids, because from what i hear this shit lasts much longer. Not to mention the differing affinities and receptor fit for the CB1&CB2 receptors makes spice not as pleasurable as weed. In my opinionated research.

It may be possible that some of the other legit legal smokeables do have different cannabinoids in them. I have noticed that spice lasts around 5-6 hours while chillin xxx lasts only 2-3 hours tops and produces a marginally different/ more powerful high.

WOW dude you are SO COOL now.

z0mg! what other herbal blends have THC analogues?