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Old 2008-12-18, 00:20
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Default IV Nicotine!

Has anyone tried this? It couldn't be that hard to prepare, just extract (physically from tobacco+chemically from remaining solution), put it thrugh a sub-micron syringe filter then inject?

It would be a way for smokers to feel that buzz again without taking a break from smoking. I know it would a pain in the ass but if done properly it would be a hell of a lot healthier than smoking it since it would just be nicotine. No risk of cancer and a stronger buzz.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:26
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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First of all, it sounds like a highly dangerous proposition. And smokers aren't just addicted to nicotine; some of it is the actual process of smoking. Just like why most pot smokers would rather smoke pot than take a shot of THC.

Also, if the dose of nicotine was too high, and was administered IV, it could cause a heart attack. Many people used to murder people this way and got away with it until the medical examiners got wise.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:30
D.E.A-D D.E.A-D is offline
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

Look up the LD/50 for nicotine then ask yourself again.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:33
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

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Originally Posted by Garibaldi
First of all, it sounds like a highly dangerous proposition. And smokers aren't just addicted to nicotine; some of it is the actual process of smoking. Just like why most pot smokers would rather smoke pot than take a shot of THC.

Also, if the dose of nicotine was too high, and was administered IV, it could cause a heart attack. Many people used to murder people this way and got away with it until the medical examiners got wise.


The actual process of injecting would surely replace the smoking addiction as it is more of a buzz. Like when someone graduates from smoking to injecting heroin.

A smoker wouldn't have to worry about overdose because they have tolerance. A small starting dose could be tested first.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:36
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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I just don't see it happening
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:38
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

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I just don't see it happening


Why not? People have gone through the trouble of injecting lamer and more questionable drugs.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:40
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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I mean as widely accepted means of nicotine replacement/smoking cessation
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:41
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

lol, the lethal dose is around 3,340 milligrams per kilo, so in average 0,25 grams will kill you
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:47
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Originally Posted by Garibaldi
I mean as widely accepted means of nicotine replacement/smoking cessation


Of course it wouldn't be widely accepted because it would be even more addictive, but for those who wanted the stronger/healthier buzz...
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:53
Ed Lister Ed Lister is offline
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It would be kind of cool going to the corner store and being able to buy a pack of mini syringes carefully prepared with an appropriate dose of nicotine then tearing the top off one and shooting up very casually just outside the door.

'IV smokers' could go outside for a shot together with the older, more experienced hands giving the younger shooters tips in shooting their nic fix. Wait - you wouldn't even have to go outside! Although, there would be complications in sharing 'cigarettes'...
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Old 2008-12-18, 01:35
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Originally Posted by Ed Lister
It would be kind of cool going to the corner store and being able to buy a pack of mini syringes carefully prepared with an appropriate dose of nicotine then tearing the top off one and shooting up very casually just outside the door.

'IV smokers' could go outside for a shot together with the older, more experienced hands giving the younger shooters tips in shooting their nic fix. Wait - you wouldn't even have to go outside! Although, there would be complications in sharing 'cigarettes'...


They would be sold as wrapped, single-dose sterile syringes so no one would have to share!

I can hear the bloated, unfit "concerned" parents whining about the newest drug craze killing teh childrenz. This is after the mass hysteria champaign by the media of course. Then they get sanctimonious and ban it. Then there are reports on all of the news channels about people getting seriously fucked up by injecting poorly prepared nicotine from the cheaper and more dangerous counterfeit American cigarettes.

Activists prtotest the marginalization of addicts and their suffering. IV Nicotine rehab centers open up all over the country aiming to reduce the amount of tax dollars spent on treating sick addicts and on keeping convicted users in jail. The government estimates that around 10,500 lives a year are saved by the new Nicodone (tm) program.

Several grassroots organisations call for the legalization of IV nicotine on the principle of personal liberty, along with the decriminalization of the recently scheduled, rectally-absorbed "Butt-Snus" after studies suggesting it caused a 20-fold increase in the likelyhood of rectal prolapse where discredited upon peer-review.
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Old 2008-12-18, 03:38
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

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Originally Posted by Ariev
lol, the lethal dose is around 3,340 milligrams per kilo, so in average 0,25 grams will kill you


That's the oral lethal dose.

The physical act of smoking a cigarette is a failsafe, each puff hits you right away so you know when you've had more than enough. It's like breathing nitrous from a mask hooked up to a tank, you don't strap it on, you hold it up to your face so it simply falls off if you pass out.
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Old 2008-12-18, 03:45
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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I think we're forgetting that Nicotine isn't that fun of a drug to be worth IV'ing. At least in my opinion. I'd rather smoke a cigarette, than get an arm full of track marks from fucking nicotine. Again, that's just me.
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Old 2008-12-18, 03:52
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This crazy mofo that sat at my lunch table last year "agreed" to his parents he would stop smoking before he graduated, so they started buying him the patch. He had fun smoking cigarettes while wearing the patch, or slapping on multiple patches at the same time and freaking out.

It was pretty funny.
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Old 2008-12-18, 04:06
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the gum is where its at
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Old 2008-12-18, 07:36
Street_Pharmacist420 Street_Pharmacist420 is offline
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the gum is where its at

That shit taste horrible :(

And the reason why people dont/wont iv nicotine is because nicotine is a poison with a very miniscual lethal dose and it is not enjoyable in the least bit.

Now what somebody has to do is find a way to iv nitrous....uhmm
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Old 2008-12-18, 11:57
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That shit taste horrible :(

And the reason why people dont/wont iv nicotine is because nicotine is a poison with a very miniscual lethal dose and it is not enjoyable in the least bit.

Now what somebody has to do is find a way to iv nitrous....uhmm

If what you said was true, people wouldn't smoke it.
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:13
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Your medicine cabinet
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Heavy smoker who can't "catch a buzz" anymore? Try dip.
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:14
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

Try dip.
This. +1
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:34
Rainbows Rainbows is offline
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If what you said was true, people wouldn't smoke it.

Reasonably pure nicotine in solution really is a deadly poison. IVing it would be a great way to kill someone. Slow, incomplete absorption through the lungs and pumping it directly into your veins are two very different things. You could die just from spilling a high-concentration nicotine solution on your skin.

EDIT: Although all this talk of nicotine has made me want to go out and buy another 20 B&H. Dammit.
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Old 2008-12-18, 18:54
The man who can fly The man who can fly is offline
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

another thing that has not been mentioned that smoking involves heat is it possible that the burning of the tobacco lowers the potency of the nicotine
just a thought
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Old 2008-12-18, 19:00
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

That's the oral lethal dose.

The physical act of smoking a cigarette is a failsafe, each puff hits you right away so you know when you've had more than enough. It's like breathing nitrous from a mask hooked up to a tank, you don't strap it on, you hold it up to your face so it simply falls off if you pass out.

True, its the oral dose. And by oral it means that some of the nicotine is not absorbed, while with IV all of it goes directly to the blood.
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Old 2008-12-18, 19:07
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

they would be sold as wrapped, single-dose sterile syringes so no one would have to share!

I can hear the bloated, unfit "concerned" parents whining about the newest drug craze killing teh childrenz. This is after the mass hysteria champaign by the media of course. Then they get sanctimonious and ban it. Then there are reports on all of the news channels about people getting seriously fucked up by injecting poorly prepared nicotine from the cheaper and more dangerous counterfeit american cigarettes.

Activists prtotest the marginalization of addicts and their suffering. Iv nicotine rehab centers open up all over the country aiming to reduce the amount of tax dollars spent on treating sick addicts and on keeping convicted users in jail. The government estimates that around 10,500 lives a year are saved by the new nicodone (tm) program.

Several grassroots organisations call for the legalization of iv nicotine on the principle of personal liberty, along with the decriminalization of the recently scheduled, rectally-absorbed "butt-snus" after studies suggesting it caused a 20-fold increase in the likelyhood of rectal prolapse where discredited upon peer-review.

roflmfao
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:05
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

Why is it so difficult to imagine people measuring the dose? The potency does not matter, they would have a tolerance buffer from smoking and would test with small initial doses.

Dip wouldn't be a stronger buzz because it's a slower route of administration. It would be a novel route but not a faster one.
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:17
Rainbows Rainbows is offline
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Default Re: IV Nicotine!

Why is it so difficult to imagine people measuring the dose? The potency does not matter, they would have a tolerance buffer from smoking and would test with small initial doses.

Because people could and would accidentally OD (impossible with cigarettes), and the idea of putting a potentially very deadly, colourless, odourless and tasteless poison on the shelves in pure form for anybody over 18 who wants to buy it isn't smart. You think people wouldn't get the idea of buying a pack of 10, busting them all open and dropping the liquid in someone's drink?
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:18
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Because people could and would accidentally OD (impossible with cigarettes), and the idea of putting a potentially very deadly, colourless, odourless and tasteless poison on the shelves in pure form for anybody over 18 who wants to buy it isn't smart. You think people wouldn't get the idea of buying a pack of 10, busting them all open and dropping the liquid in someone's drink?

everything we consume is filled with poison anyway
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Old 2008-12-18, 20:58
Rainbows Rainbows is offline
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everything we consume is filled with poison anyway

Not poison that kills you within minutes.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:13
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There are lots of poisons you could in peoples' drinks retard. Tobacco tea in a drink would do the same but with a bad taste. The nicotine would also obviously be in metered doses when sold. Do they sell vodka in unmarked plastic milk bags? No, dumbass.
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Old 2008-12-18, 21:34
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There are lots of poisons you could in peoples' drinks retard. Tobacco tea in a drink would do the same but with a bad taste. The nicotine would also obviously be in metered doses when sold. Do they sell vodka in unmarked plastic milk bags? No, dumbass.


No it wouldn't, because tobacco is something like 2% nicotine by weight. The fact that it tastes like shit and that you'd need to unwittingly drink several cups of it to die kind of precludes it being used as a poison.

And I just said that there's nothing to stop someone buying 10 or 20 'metered doses' of liquid nicotine and breaking them open for use as a poison. Nicotine is also about 500 times more deadly than vodka, and people still end up in hospital or dead from alcohol poisoning.

No need to get hostile either.
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Old 2008-12-18, 22:04
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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i think you're all forgetting that its illegal to buy syringes without a prescription in a lot of states already.

plus no chain stores would carry them

and no smokers would buy them

and the company making them would be destroyed by lawsuits in the first week after everyone who tried them got an abscess or an infection

but other than that, yeah i could see it..
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Old 2008-12-18, 22:44
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i think you're all forgetting that its illegal to buy syringes without a prescription in a lot of states already.

plus no chain stores would carry them

but other than that, yeah i could see it..

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