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Old 2008-12-17, 17:59
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Default physical w/d opiates

ive been takin 15 to 20 mgs a day for the past week.

if i go a day or 2 more will i be reaching the point of where physical w/d's will occur or am i good 2 go?
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Old 2008-12-17, 18:21
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15 to 20mg of what?
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Old 2008-12-17, 19:33
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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I'm guessing you mean either Hydrocodone in the form of Lortab or Oxycodone in the form of Percocet. And if you've only been taking them for a week, you'll be fine dude. That's not even long enough to develop any appreciable tolerance.

You'll be fine man, don't worry.

Take my advice though, if you don’t need narcotic painkillers for pain (“need” being the operative word) stay away from them. I (and many others on this board) need them and I’m addicted to them, between a rock in a hard place, if I could ever change one thing in my past it would be to prevent the accident that caused me to break several spinal bones.

Back on point though, unless you’re in real pain, don’t mess with them, I know they’re fun, but they’re insidious. Although they wouldn’t be “insidious” if they were legalized… but that’s another story.

Just remember, opiates are god’s gift to man, and god’s curse to man. (This coming from an atheist, lol)
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Old 2008-12-17, 19:47
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Default Re: physical w/d opiates

It does depend on what he is talking about though.
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Old 2008-12-17, 20:28
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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Very true Meta. But those doses usually refer to hydrocodone/apap or oxy/apap.

I can't imagine he'd be using 15-20mg of hydromorphone or something a day, lol
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Old 2008-12-17, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It does depend on what he is talking about though.


And it depends on his physical makeup. Some people's bodies can easily become used to a drug after that short of a time. When I was in a state hospital facilitie, Just being there a week with the benzo's they gave me, gave me incredibly painful w/d's when they kicked me out.
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Old 2008-12-17, 23:59
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I'm guessing you mean either Hydrocodone in the form of Lortab or Oxycodone in the form of Percocet.

Why did u say in the form of lortab or percocet?? theres lots more and that doesnt even matter anyway.

im guessing its hydrocodone

and dont even worry 15-20 mgs daily for a week , u probably wont even have a hangover
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:14
Adhesive Tape Adhesive Tape is offline
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I took 20-25mg of hydrocodone for two and a half weeks and experienced minor withdrawal symptoms. Some shitty stomach sickness (made much worse with extended air-travelMad), some irritability and slight achiness. It was like a one day cold. You'll probably be fine, no shitting in your pants/projectile vomiting...
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:31
Garibaldi Garibaldi is offline
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Why did u say in the form of lortab or percocet?? theres lots more and that doesnt even matter anyway.

im guessing its hydrocodone

and dont even worry 15-20 mgs daily for a week , u probably wont even have a hangover

I said "in the form of Lortab or Percocet" because that's what most low dosages of hydrocodone and oxycodone come in.

Of course there are Roxicodone 15mg, Oxycodone 5mg IR, and of course hydrocodone and oxycodone compounds. But in my experience, all of these (except the Roxi 15's) are very rare to come across.
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:42
Peoples Elmo Peoples Elmo is offline
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Default Re: physical w/d opiates

how much hydrocodone is a "normal" dosage?

first time with opiates so I have no tolerance
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:58
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how much hydrocodone is a "normal" dosage?

first time with opiates so I have no tolerance


To get fucked up? I would start with 15-20mg to get a feel for it. Take more next time if you don't get the desired effect.
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Old 2008-12-18, 14:05
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actually it was an 80 oc. split it up into a couple lines. its for work these 60 hour weeks are killin me right now since its almost christmas the mail and packages are insane at this time.

i figured i wouldnt be lookin at anything serious just checkin.
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:04
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its for work these 60 hour weeks are killin me right now since its almost christmas the mail and packages are insane at this time.

Are you telling that to us, or to yourself? If you feel the need to justify an external cause for your once-a-week opiate use, I'd wager it won't be long before you see that frequency increase. "I got a headache", "I had to shovel the snow today", "The traffic jam on the way home from work stressed me out", etc. etc...
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:13
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justifying your use is usually a sign of trouble, especially when its to yourself...


even worse when its to us..
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Old 2008-12-18, 19:13
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Depends if you have ever been dependant before. (like had withdrawal before) if you have then you may be in for minor withdrawal and it will probably last 2-3 days.
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Old 2008-12-18, 22:15
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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This is odd. I take 40mg hydrocodone daily and up to 400mg tramadol too occasionally. (over 4 months now)

But if i have the odd day between prescriptions or am pain free and dont take any I dont get any withdrawal symptoms.

Am I strange? Or is it the other people here who are saying they got withdrawal on lower doses for less time, the abnormal ones?
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Old 2008-12-18, 23:27
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This is odd. I take 40mg hydrocodone daily and up to 400mg tramadol too occasionally. (over 4 months now)

But if i have the odd day between prescriptions or am pain free and dont take any I dont get any withdrawal symptoms.

Am I strange? Or is it the other people here who are saying they got withdrawal on lower doses for less time, the abnormal ones?


Nah, I don't really get withdrawal symptoms the first 24 hours. I can go a day without using(dope-2 bags a day). The next night will be rough though.
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Old 2008-12-18, 23:31
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Default Re: physical w/d opiates

This is odd. I take 40mg hydrocodone daily and up to 400mg tramadol too occasionally. (over 4 months now)

But if i have the odd day between prescriptions or am pain free and dont take any I dont get any withdrawal symptoms.

Am I strange? Or is it the other people here who are saying they got withdrawal on lower doses for less time, the abnormal ones?it takes about 36-48 hours for full withdrawal symptoms to kick in.
Tramadol has a pretty long half life doesn't it?
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Old 2008-12-19, 05:48
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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I hardly ever take the tramadol. I hate how it makes me spacy as shit with no real euphoria.

And hydrocodone has a half life of 3.8 hours. No way someone who is dependant could go 24 hours without a dose.

Apparantly most opis have low half lives like that..

I should try and go 2 days to see if im at all dependent.
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Old 2008-12-19, 05:59
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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I hardly ever take the tramadol. I hate how it makes me spacy as shit with no real euphoria.

And hydrocodone has a half life of 3.8 hours. No way someone who is dependant could go 24 hours without a dose.it lasts 4-6 hours +a~ 4 hour half. With pretty much any opiate/oid that is fast acting it takes 24-48 hours for full withdrawals to occur.

you can try and deny it all you want but if you are dosing multiple times per day and everyday for a period of time longer than a week (like a month, 2,3,4 5, 6 months, or a year) you are going to get some withdrawal symptoms. if you only took 1 hydrcondone dose per day you may be able to get away with no withdrawal because you are allowing a almost equal "cool down' period where there is no more opiate/oid atached to the receptors. If your dosing multiple time a day you will not escape that.

the only way to find out is to go 5 days clean. If you are not feeling so good at 48 hours then you will know. Thy usually peak a 72 hours and then it gets better each day from there. Then you have PAWS to deal with after the acute withdrawal.
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Old 2008-12-19, 07:29
Aces N 8S Aces N 8S is offline
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it lasts 4-6 hours +a~ 4 hour half. With pretty much any opiate/oid that is fast acting it takes 24-48 hours for full withdrawals to occur.

you can try and deny it all you want but if you are dosing multiple times per day and everyday for a period of time longer than a week (like a month, 2,3,4 5, 6 months, or a year) you are going to get some withdrawal symptoms. if you only took 1 hydrcondone dose per day you may be able to get away with no withdrawal because you are allowing a almost equal "cool down' period where there is no more opiate/oid atached to the receptors. If your dosing multiple time a day you will not escape that.

the only way to find out is to go 5 days clean. If you are not feeling so good at 48 hours then you will know. Thy usually peak a 72 hours and then it gets better each day from there. Then you have PAWS to deal with after the acute withdrawal.

I edited my post 6 seconds before you posted this :)

Im not in deinal. I was just positive that since its half life is so low that I would be unwell in under 24 hours if i were dependent. I actually could be dependent..

Well, theres no reason for me to go through a whole 5 day detox. I'm prescribed 8 vicodin a day. And i start pain management next week so dependence is kinda inevitable. But i think i will go the 48 hours just to check.
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Old 2008-12-19, 20:19
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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I edited my post 6 seconds before you posted this :)

Im not in deinal. I was just positive that since its half life is so low that I would be unwell in under 24 hours if i were dependent. I actually could be dependent..

Well, theres no reason for me to go through a whole 5 day detox. I'm prescribed 8 vicodin a day. And i start pain management next week so dependence is kinda inevitable. But i think i will go the 48 hours just to check.
My bad. anyway I was just saying without actually saying it that most of the population cannot become dependant and get away eith no withdrawals. There may be a few that get away with minor withdrawal but th majority will have withdrawals.

But you probably are depndant. And if youget away with minor withdrawals you are LUCKY.
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Old 2008-12-21, 06:15
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20mg of oc shouldn't be bad w/d. I was doing around 300mg a day for a couple months, started out slow and small like you justifying it because of work then it got out of hand hah. Shits great though.
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Old 2008-12-21, 07:07
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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20mg of oc shouldn't be bad w/d. I was doing around 300mg a day for a couple months, started out slow and small like you justifying it because of work then it got out of hand hah. Shits great though.


The dose doesn't matter that much. i have the same intensity of withdrawal from 30mgs a day as i do from 100mgs a day.
 
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