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Old 2008-12-17, 12:16
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Default Yes, it's another kidiot question RE: codeine.

I do apologize for my ignorance, but I have a quick/stupid question about Codeine, or, more importantly - the effects of other active ingredients present in some Codeine pills.
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I've been prescribed some Codeine pills, but I no longer require them, since the pain in which they were prescribed for as subsided, but that doesn't mean I can't find some other non-intended uses for them, I'm sure.

In the past when I've done Codeine, I've gotten Codeine pills where Codeine is the only active ingredient, and I've required roughly 90mg to get moderately recreational effects, or doses of around 130mg to get 'heavier' effects. This instance, however, I've gotten some Codeine pills that have other active ingredients in them, per pill there's 5.1mg of Doxylamine Succinate and 500mg of Paracetamol. The Codeine content is 30mg.

Simply put, if I have the required three pills (to have 90mg of Codeine); will the 1500mg of Paracetamol and the 15.3mg of Doxy have any negative effects? I've come to the conclusion that it isn't worth getting effects from Codeine, if the other substances are going to make me sick, ruining the sensation. Is my only chance with these fuckers to do a CWE and extract the Codeine - or am I in the clear to just pop the pills?

I've looked up what I can through other sources - the only effect I've been able to establish, from Wikipedia, is that doses of around 25mg-30mg of Doxylamine can put people to sleep, but haven't had much luck finding any other information.

Anyone care to shed some light on this? :)
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Old 2008-12-17, 14:59
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Default Re: Yes, it's another kidiot question RE: codeine.

1,500 mg of APAP is fine. I take about twice that amount for a headache at times. Not that I recommend that...

15.3 mg of Doxylamine is actually about 10 mg lower than the standard amount in your run-of-the-mill OTC sleep aid, which I happen to have a box of here I got at CVS that are 25 mg a pill. Yes, it could make you a bit drowsy, but a lot of people, myself included, find that they enjoy opiates moreso with a low-dose of antihistamine alongside it. To be honest with you I normally go with 50 mg diphenhydramine or 50mg promethazine with my opiates and have never tried it with doxylamine but considering that all three of those are antihistamines commonly found within roughly the same dosage formulation (25 mg), I'd be inclined to believe that it will work just fine.

90 mg of codeine certainly isn't much to be using recreationally, but hey, if you can get high on it, please accept my jealousy. I don't know how sensitive you are to the sedative effects of doxylamine, but if I were in your shoes with what I'm assuming is a likely non-existent opiate tolerance, I would pop four instead of three which would take it to 2,000 mg of APAP and 20.4 mg of doxylamine with 120 mg of codeine. Give three a whirl first, though, in case you find the doxylamine too sedating to you.
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Old 2008-12-17, 15:02
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Default Re: Yes, it's another kidiot question RE: codeine.

tip, do these in the morning, not before bed. or mid day even. if your remotely tired, the doxylamine succinate will knock you out. i'm with POC on the 50mgs to sleep deal. [although 25 does work in a pinch, with some help]. and energy drink will basically level the playing feild here..


and don't use benadryl to counteract anything, you already have an antihistamine in there...



[cruel company man, they wanna send you to nod land alright]
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Old 2008-12-17, 15:21
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Default Re: Yes, it's another kidiot question RE: codeine.

90 mg of codeine certainly isn't much to be using recreationally, but hey, if you can get high on it, please accept my jealousy. I don't know how sensitive you are to the sedative effects of doxylamine, but if I were in your shoes with what I'm assuming is a likely non-existent opiate tolerance, I would pop four instead of three which would take it to 2,000 mg of APAP and 20.4 mg of doxylamine with 120 mg of codeine. Give three a whirl first, though, in case you find the doxylamine too sedating to you.

Thanks for the helpful response. :)

I've only just started out with benzos, and my last experience with Codeine was almost a year ago now, hence no tolerance whatsoever. I'm a fair lightweight in terms of pain-killers, and I found that the 90mg before was enough for a nice euphoric buzz, albeit I imagine more would be nicer. I'm sure that if the use continues, I'll need more to feel the effects, but, that is the sad fact about the use of drugs. ;)

I'll give four a whirl, as per your suggestion. Only thing I was worried about was the other shit, but since that's no problem, I'm laughing.

tip, do these in the morning, not before bed. or mid day even. if your remotely tired, the doxylamine succinate will knock you out. i'm with POC on the 50mgs to sleep deal. [although 25 does work in a pinch, with some help]. and energy drink will basically level the playing feild here..


and don't use benadryl to counteract anything, you already have an antihistamine in there...

[cruel company man, they wanna send you to nod land alright]

Thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure on the setting/time to use them - but I will do them during the daytime now, since it'd most certainly be a waste if I was to fall asleep whilst under the influence. I'll make sure to down a Red Bull, or pop a No-Doz or something prior to ingesting, too. :)

Thank you both for your (both) very helpful posts. It's appreciated.

Peace out.
 
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