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Old 2008-12-13, 20:01
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Default Legal "stimulants"/stimulant alternatives

I start working the graveyard shift - and I want to try something that will keep me semi "sharp".

No cocaine/meth/amps - the point being "legal"

I always have cigarettes and plenty of coffee - but that only does so much.

I was wondering if any Totse user had any experience with legal "stimulants" that actually worked/ that you could recommend.

I don't want to take caffeine pills - so forget that. Red Bull doesn't really do it for me, but anything a step above that would be great.

Any suggestions/herbal supplements etc, etc, would be greatly appreciated.

TL;DR : What are some alternatives to caffeine/cigarettes I could acquire to keep me awake?
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:08
MyExcuse MyExcuse is offline
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Mephedrone, 4-fluorotropacocaine, 4-flouroamphetamine, Modafinil, Adrafinil.

just off the top of my head.

Modafinil and mephedrone are going to be the cheapest and most readily available. Only buy either in bulk powder form, don't waste your time with pills.

Adrafinil would be nice, so would 4-flouroamp, but they're a bit harder to get a hold of.
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:13
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Mephedrone, 4-fluorotropacocaine, 4-flouroamphetamine, Modafinil, Adrafinil.

just off the top of my head.

Modafinil and mephedrone are going to be the cheapest and most readily available. Only buy either in bulk powder form, don't waste your time with pills.

Adrafinil would be nice, so would 4-flouroamp, but they're a bit harder to get a hold of.


Thank you - that was a lot of help. I appreciate it.

How is Mephedrone ingested? / What are the most common ways?
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:20
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Mephedrone +1 ...I can even find this in the local apteka.
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:21
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...4-fluorotropacocaine...


That's some really interesting shit, I had never heard of that...
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:29
MyExcuse MyExcuse is offline
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Default Re: Legal "stimulants"/stimulant alternatives

Thank you - that was a lot of help. I appreciate it.

How is Mephedrone ingested? / What are the most common ways?


Mephedrone also goes by MethylMethcathinone (MMCat as well). AFAIK, it's most common methods of administration are oral. It's assumed to be the chemical contained within a popular european "legal" ecstasy tablet called Neo Dove but that is just speculation.

It might have a bit of a distracting euphoria however, so I suggest you make the decision on what to get based more on what purposes you need the drug to fulfill. (that is, I'm unsure what type of job you have)

If it was me, I would use the mephedrone if I wanted to stay euphoric and stimulated (that is, I would definitely use it at school or work) whereas I would use modafinil at home to stay focused on schoolwork or any task that needs to be done without being around people (as I found it sometimes made me psychologically tired while around people, but on my own I felt fine and stimulated).

also, you can always re-dose, IMO instead of taking a high dose that is going to burn you out quickly for the night, if you're looking simply for the stimulation, try a low dose for that purpose and just re-dose later on as it wears off.
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:35
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Mephedrone also goes by MethylMethcathinone (MMCat as well). AFAIK, it's most common methods of administration are oral. It's assumed to be the chemical contained within a popular european "legal" ecstasy tablet called Neo Dove but that is just speculation.

It might have a bit of a distracting euphoria however, so I suggest you make the decision on what to get based more on what purposes you need the drug to fulfill. (that is, I'm unsure what type of job you have)

If it was me, I would use the mephedrone if I wanted to stay euphoric and stimulated (that is, I would definitely use it at school or work) whereas I would use modafinil at home to stay focused on schoolwork or any task that needs to be done without being around people (as I found it sometimes made me psychologically tired while around people, but on my own I felt fine and stimulated).

also, you can always re-dose, IMO instead of taking a high dose that is going to burn you out quickly for the night, if you're looking simply for the stimulation, try a low dose for that purpose and just re-dose later on as it wears off.

Of all the alternatives you listed - I find modafinil the most easily accessible.

The thing is - my job consists of me unloading a truck. I am by myself - and I unload about 10-20 pallets of produce off of a truck. I then, make it all fit into a small cooler.

I get to listen to my music while I do this - and like I said - I'm alone - so would Modafinil be a good choice? Do you recommend it?

I found a site that has 30 x 100mg pills for sale. What's a good starter dose/what other experiences/things stand out - other than the psycological exhaustion that you mentioned?
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:40
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Of all the alternatives you listed - I find modafinil the most easily accessible.

The thing is - my job consists of me unloading a truck. I am by myself - and I unload about 10-20 pallets of produce off of a truck. I then, make it all fit into a small cooler.

I get to listen to my music while I do this - and like I said - I'm alone - so would Modafinil be a good choice? Do you recommend it?

I found a site that has 30 x 100mg pills for sale. What's a good starter dose/what other experiences/things stand out - other than the psycological exhaustion that you mentioned?

Erowid has alot of info on modafinil, but look a little harder for bulk powder. Modafinil is kind of expensive.
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:46
MyExcuse MyExcuse is offline
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Midge, I'm kind of sensitive to the physical side effects from stimulants so I'm not really a good source for information on side effects.

Psychological I found that modafinil could end up giving me a headache by the end of the night, however I normally would use 300mg per dose.

I've found a variation of quality as well, the best experience I had was with a european bulk powder supplier. I just had a big bag of it and I would take empty capsules and fill them up and drop them.

To me modafinil is a lot like d/l-amphetamine for the brain. so instead of having like.. physical and psychological stimulation and euphoria, it's more primarily psychological stimulation and euphoria.

I liked it personally and I've known plenty others who did as well :)
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Old 2008-12-20, 17:47
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i would go for modafinil if you can get it, possibly available on line.... i got some when I was in india, works very well with no apparent side effects.

if you cant get that the sida cordifolia (spelt something like that) basically its another natural ephedrine
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Old 2008-12-20, 18:05
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I hear Guarana is great for sustained energy with little to no crash, but I haven't tried it much myself. Always make sure to get potent extracts/supplements, etc....otherwise you are wasting $$$. :D
 
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