So I have around 100g of PEA, (Phenethylamine, phenyethylamine, phenylethylamine, etc) and after reading around google, particulary the body building forums, I have decided that this supplement should be tested alone instead of with a MAOI.

As most people already know, PEA gets broken down by mono amine oxide inhibitor enzymes (MAOI) in your body really quickly. There are quite a few reports of people taking large enough doses to bypass this. There are also 2 or 3 reports of intranasal/smoked doses.

The theory is that if you take a large amount, the majority will get inhibited but some will pass, or if you use a different ROA they will pass it more (Like DMT is inhibited by MAOI but if you smoke it, it works).

Personal background experience with phenethylamine derivitives:
Mixed amphetamine pharmaceuticals, methamphetamine, MDMA, 2c-e/b/i.

The controversy is that Shulgin said he didn't feel anything after oral 1,600mg or 50mg IV, but many many people online said they have.

I will test out the following:

1) Oral 2,000mg EDIT- Success, post #5
2) Oral 2,500mg EDIT - Success, post #27
3) Oral 3,000mg
4) Oral 3,500mg
5) Intranasal 100mg
6) Intranasal 200mg
7) Intranasal 300mg
6) Smoked 100mg
7) Smoked 200mg
8) Smoked 300mg
9) Oral (best dose) + Titration with IN
10) Oral (best dose) + Titration with smoked

Wish me luck!



Personal notes:
I will use only on an empty stomach.
I will use at most every other day to reduce tolerance, hopefully more.
I have not been on any medication for more than a month.
I do not excersize (Exersizing is proven to release 75% more PEA, or something, the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA)

IF YOU SEE ANY OTHER VARIABLE THAT COULD INTERACT WITH THE PEA TELL ME PLEASE!




EDIT:
Notes after using PEA:

1/2 teaspoon of powder = 2g almost exactly on my mg scale
1/4 teaspoon of powder =1g almost exactly on my mg scale
This feels like N2O in a lot of ways from the vision to the body to the euphoria to the shortness

There was a thread I made a bit ago about this, but never got up the time/funds to try this stuff. Props to ya'. One thing that I thought about in the other thread (and there's some chem prerequisite here) was N,N Dimethylation. This is hoping for something along the lines of a relationship as occurs when tryptamine is N,N Dimethylated, but I have no idea how it would work. Shulgin mentions a single N-Methylated PEA, but he did not try it personally, as he heard it was being tested as an antitussive. Go figure. Anywho... Some Methyl Chloride (CH3Cl) and some high temps aught to do it, if N,N methyation is your aim.

Arnt you the idiot that said mdma wasnt a stimulant?

Yes, he is that idiot.

1) 2000mg (2g) of PEA orally on an empty stomache

Setting: House, in the morning, no work.
Possible interactions: I used mdma 3 and 2 nights ago, with a bump of some cut cocaine on the 2 nights ago.

0:00 (11:50am): Put 2g in a cup of water. This tastes so bad..it taste just like methamphetamine. That is probally a good sign right? It takes me about 2 minutes just to drink 8oz water and 2g PEA HCl. This causes some minor stomache discomfort, nothing bad though. My lips feel numbish.

0:15 (12:05): WOW! I am buzzing pretty strong. This isn't a placebo, holy shit. MY body is buzzing really strong and I am getting some mental. No real euphoria, but somewhat strong intoxication. My vision is fgetting colours and vibrating, not a hallucenation but very weird. I feel really fucking good!! I just checked my heart rate, it thumped 69x in 60 seconds.

0:30 (12:20):Comming way down from where I was, as in I'm not as high as I was for sure. I am out of it but no where near where I was. Pretty disapointing. I think this drug would be bomb when combining it with MDMA or opiates. Or just mad titrating.. With a MAOI it would be nuts.

0:60 (12:50): Effects are 98% gone. Heart beat is 51beats per minute. (18 less than peak). I would say most effects went away around 45 minutes. The best part was the 10-25minute part. Those 15minutes were awsome.

1:30 (1:20): No need to record.

2:00 (2:20):No need to record.

Overall: Well that was much shorter than expected. Experience lasted 45 minutes, 10 minutes of comming up, 15 minutes of peaking, 10 minutes of comming down, 10 minutes of the small effects going away.

Peak: Amazing. I was not expecting that at all. Jesus. I felt tingles all over my body, but deep intense tingles. Body was fully intoxicated. Vision was distrupted, not hallucenating at all but just ..euphoric? Hard to explain. I felt pretty good overall not like an MDMA type euphoria. But I did feel an MDMA type empathy in a backwards way. This wasn't speedy.. I had another thread where I called out all the pussies on Totse who thought MDMA was an upper. Most of them either said "omg its related to amphetamine and it makes your heart beat fast of course it is an upper" or "no dude its not like meth or coke but you for sure get that energy" and a few said "your dumb as shit obviously it isn't an upper we all know that but it is still classified as one." The point of the thread wasn't classification. Who cares if it is an amphetamine, or acts like one. The point was effects, the shit does not make you go up or give you a big energy boost. If you feel that, it is because a)caffeine in your pills, b) meth in your pills (most likely not any more), c) you are getting placebowned by thinking that MDMA is like meth, d)you are just excited about using ecstasy because you are a piece of shit who doesn't use E that much so when you get your hands on it you are excited. Like kids with chocolate. Chocolate doesn't make kids go up, the excitement of it does. PEA definitley made my heart go up. It is sort of related to meth/amphetamine. It is not an upper. I would not want to do homework on that. I would not want to go to the gym on that.

Negatives: too fucking short. God.

What I learned: PEA is good for using in combo with other drugs. Like taking a N20 hit on ecstasy. Titration (dosing over and over again) might also be a good thing, although I have no idea how bad this would be for me. MAOI might also be good because theoretically it will keep you higher for way longer. Although I do not plan to try that because MAOI fuck with future drug use for up to 2 weeks, from what pharmecutical drug companies tell me. I need to do further research.

1) 2000mg (2g) of PEA orally on an emptyp stomache

Setting: House, in the morning, no work.
Possible interactions: I used mdma 3 and 2 nights ago, with a bump of some cut cocaine on the 2 nights ago.

0:00 (11:50am) Put 2g in a cup of water. This tastes so bad..it taste just like methamphetamine. That is probally a good sign right? It takes me about 2 minutes just to drink 8oz water and 2g PEA HCl. This causes some minor stomache discomfort, nothing bad though.

0:15:

0:30:

0:60:

1:30:

2:00:


Fuck the haters, I 'm interested in the results.

I made a thread about this earlier but I don't think anyone understood what I was getting at: If TheBlack Pope was to take a drastically reduced dose of PEA(50mg or so), but WITH a MAOI, wouldn't he get an amphetamine like buzz?

Fuck the haters, I 'm interested in the results.

I made a thread about this earlier but I don't think anyone understood what I was getting at: If TheBlack Pope was to take a drastically reduced dose of PEA(50mg or so), but WITH a MAOI, wouldn't he get an amphetamine like buzz?

Ya but I'm tring to do this w/o a MAOI. Like DMT smoked, IN,IV, and IM. BTW I'm really fucking high it has only been 15minutes.

Ya but I'm tring to do this w/o a MAOI. Like DMT smoked, IN,IV, and IM...

I understand. I was just doing a bit of speculating. (has anyone ever tried MAOI + very low-dose PEA?)

And damn, you're already high from 2g?

Cool!

I understand. I was just doing a bit of speculating. (has anyone ever tried MAOI + very low-dose PEA?)

And damn, you're already high from 2g?

Cool!

From what I had read on other forums, people have tried MAOI with sucess.

Yes, I was very high from 2g, but it wore off about 80%. Pretty disapointing. I agree with you that MAOI would be 1000x better, but if I were to start taking an MAOI, 1) that is another drug I am putting in my body, and 2) wont that affect all my other drug use? I heard it was pretty bad to take any drugs while on MAOIs.

From what I had read on other forums, people have tried MAOI with sucess.

Yes, I was very high from 2g, but it wore off about 80%. Pretty disapointing. I agree with you that MAOI would be 1000x better, but if I were to start taking an MAOI, 1) that is another drug I am putting in my body, and 2) wont that affect all my other drug use? I heard it was pretty bad to take any drugs while on MAOIs.


Well, it's pretty bad to takea MAOI with any drug that will be metabolized by MAOI, or any drug that affects neurotransmitters that are substrates of MAOI.

Obviously PEA itself is contraindicted.

However, if you were to wake up one morning and not eat breakfast (or ANYTHING), and drop some syrian rue extract, followed 30 minutes later by a small dose of PEA, you probably wouldn't die.

:D

I don't know how small the dose of PEA should be though.

Well, it's pretty bad to takea MAOI with any drug that will be metabolized by MAOI, or any drug that affects neurotransmitters that are substrates of MAOI.

Obviously PEA itself is contraindicted.

However, if you were to wake up one morning and not eat breakfast (or ANYTHING), and drop some syrian rue extract, followed 30 minutes later by a small dose of PEA, you probably wouldn't die.

:D

I don't know how small the dose of PEA should be though.

No, you wouldn't die at all. I read people taking 100-500,g with "deprynl" or something I can't remember. Some MAOI inhibitor.

This is my thing: I thought if you took an MAOI it actually somehow inhibits your MAO-A/B for like 2 weeks. So if you were to PEA+sryian on monday, and take some ecstasy on thursday, you would be fucked for sure.

No, you wouldn't die at all. I read people taking 100-500,g with "deprynl" or something I can't remember. Some MAOI inhibitor.

This is my thing: I thought if you took an MAOI it actually somehow inhibits your MAO-A/B for like 2 weeks. So if you were to PEA+sryian on monday, and take some ecstasy on thursday, you would be fucked for sure.

Well, Deprenyl (selegiline) is a MAO-B inhibitor. Inhibition of MAO-A in combination with PEA could lead to a hypertensive crisis.

Syrian rue is unselective. Which means you could very well die from too much PEA, it would be the exact same thing if you took Syrian Rue with MDMA.

Well, Deprenyl (selegiline) is a MAO-B inhibitor. Inhibition of MAO-A in combination with PEA could lead to a hypertensive crisis.

Syrian rue is unselective. Which means you could very well die from too much PEA, it would be the exact same thing if you took Syrian Rue with MDMA.

So only MAO-A inhibitors would be bad to combo with other drugs? Why would MAO-B be safe?

Why would you even consider taking sryian if you know that could happen?




What are side effects of mao-b in combo with other drugs like MDMA?

So only MAO-A inhibitors would be bad to combo with other drugs? Why would MAO-B be safe?

Why would you even consider taking sryian if you know that could happen?

Because if you find the 'sweet spot' dose, you could get a killer methamp buzz from your local GNC. For like $0.50 each time.

:D




What are side effects of mao-b in combo with other drugs like MDMA?

Believe it or not, REDUCED neurotoxicity has been reported when combined with selegiline. (MAO-B inhibitor)

Believe it or not, REDUCED neurotoxicity has been reported when combined with selegiline. (MAO-B inhibitor)


Could you get a source for that? Not that I don't believe you I just want to see it.

But dude, generally speaking, if a supplement reduces the neurotoxicity of MDMA, it also reduces the recreational effects of it. (anti psyhchotics, ssri)



Yo, the buzz I just had wasn't a meth buzz. The peak was..better? No, it was different. There definitley wasn't any meth stimulation. But it was..felt really bomb. Hard to explain. Like MDMA in a really backwards kind of way. Mostly body rather than mind but a BOMB feeling!

So only MAO-A inhibitors would be bad to combo with other drugs? Why would MAO-B be safe?

Why would you even consider taking sryian if you know that could happen?




What are side effects of mao-b in combo with other drugs like MDMA?
Read wiki moron.

Read wiki moron.

I just finished reading all the wikis on MAO/I MAO A/B/I and nothing explains how an MAOBI would be safe to combo with other drugs. Thanks for your input though.

I just finished reading all the wikis on MAO/I MAO A/B/I and nothing explains how an MAOBI would be safe to combo with other drugs. Thanks for your input though.
If you actually read and understood you would be able to deduce these things for yourself.

Smoking syrian rue (non-extracted) has an allegedly different effect from the extract or simple oral dosages, at least according to this guy (http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/essential_psychedelic_guide/water-spirit.shtml) (who took MDMA and DMT with syrian rue). But obviously more experimentation needs to be done. If you have a large store of MAOIs and PEA you could titrate your dose enough to find something special.

BlackPope, could you describe the comedown?

Comedown is simply an alleviation of effects. I returned to normal, there was no return and then crash below hand. When I say "come down" that is what I literally mean, comming down from the high back to normal. Sorry if I came off as saying there was a crash.

When I think about it, PEA feels really similar to N2O. The vision part is exactly the same. Do you know how when you are either alone with a N20 tank or at the dentist (not balloons because there isn't enough N2O) and your vision gets really colorful and moving, but you are definitley not hallucenating? This is it.

At the very worst I had a desire for the high to come back again, but that is probally just because I was expected a 45 minute experience and when the peak only lasted 15 it was a let down.

Didnt joepedo make a thread about this and he ahd concocted a recipe to get a buzz from the said substance?

That was phenylalanine noob.

That was phenylalanine noob.

dude your the fucking noob "mdma is not a stimulant "kidiot

So I have around 100g of PEA, (Phenethylamine, phenyethylamine, phenylethylamine, etc) and after reading around google, particulary the body building forums, I have decided that this supplement should be tested alone instead of with a MAOI.

As most people already know, PEA gets broken down by mono amine oxide inhibitor enzymes (MAOI) in your body really quickly. There are quite a few reports of people taking large enough doses to bypass this. There are also 2 or 3 reports of intranasal/smoked doses.

The theory is that if you take a large amount, the majority will get inhibited but some will pass, or if you use a different ROA they will pass it more (Like DMT is inhibited by MAOI but if you smoke it, it works).

Personal background experience with phenethylamine derivitives:
Mixed amphetamine pharmaceuticals, methamphetamine, MDMA, 2c-e/b/i.

The controversy is that Shulgin said he didn't feel anything after oral 1,600mg or 50mg IV, but many many people online said they have.

I will test out the following:

1) Oral 2,000mg EDIT- Success, post #5
2) Oral 3,000mg
3) Oral 4,000mg
4) Oral 4,500mg
5) Intranasal 100mg
6) Intranasal 200mg
7) Intranasal 300mg
6) Smoked 100mg
7) Smoked 200mg
8) Smoked 300mg
9) Oral (best dose) + Titration with IN
10) Oral (best dose) + Titration with smoked

Wish me luck!



Personal notes:
I will use only on an empty stomach.
I will use at most every other day to reduce tolerance, hopefully more.
I have not been on any medication for more than a month.
I do not excersize (Exersizing is proven to release 75% more PEA, or something, the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA)

IF YOU SEE ANY OTHER VARIABLE THAT COULD INTERACT WITH THE PEA TELL ME PLEASE!
Mono amine oxidase is the enzyme, MAOIs are the inhibitors to the enzyme...

We need to be looking at this differently. One thing I noticed in tihkal, is that while T and NMT are psychologically inactive, DMT is very active. The same goes for DET and DiPT. Starting from their base primary amines, these are not hard syntheses to complete (especially in the case of PEA, which only has one nitrogen). Shulgin talks about primary amine PEA and mono-alkyl PEA, but not di-alkyl PEA. Why was this left out when di-alkyl T's are so infamous? Someone who as access to pricey literature, do some searching. I have ravaged google and pubmed for info on these topics, but to no avail.

Mono amine oxidase is the enzyme, MAOIs are the inhibitors to the enzyme...

No shit, you should know that I know that by the last sentence of my first paragraph and that I made a mistake of words in the second paragraph.


What the fuck is wrong with some of you people? This is actually pretty cool that someone is doing this with a good perspective of drug use plus a full on trip report instead of some body building guy shilling his own products.


Tomarro I will try out 3g oral although I feel like it will probally be a lot.

TEST NUMBER 2: 2.5G ORAL
Setting: Breakfast was one hotpocket -3:00. I am feeling hungry, so a pretty empty stomache. (I have super fast metabolism). It is really cold today.. raining earlier.

0:00 (12:45): Consumed 2.5g PEA oral on an empty stomache. This shit taste like meth. God this is gross. I will measure in faster incriments this time. sidenote:

0:10 (12:55): GF called and caused a minor anxiety for some reason. I am feeling altered. Excited for the peak :) Should be happening any minute now..

0:15 (1:00) Just hit me really hardd!!! OMG haha wow this is great, pretty good euphoria, body buzz is amazing, vision is fluttering like N2O!! WOW! Feeling warm the cold environment wore off well. Typing is harder, I have to go slower. I counted 65 thumps of heart in 60 seconds. Really high!

0:30 (1:15) FUCK I HAVE TO GO TO WORK I FORGOT!!

edit 10+ hours later:
Well that was a bust. I was 20 minutes late to work. I walked in still out of it, the whole experience again lasted 45-60 minutes before wearing completley off. Work was funny.

Overall: I liked this dose better. But I think the small amount of food 3 hours prior effected it. Because after the 1st dose I thought 3g was going to be too intense and took it down to 2.5. This was still intense, but it seemed to take longer to hit me and the after effects lasted longer than normal.

My next dose is oral 3.0g.

We need to be looking at this differently. One thing I noticed in tihkal, is that while T and NMT are psychologically inactive, DMT is very active. The same goes for DET and DiPT. Starting from their base primary amines, these are not hard syntheses to complete (especially in the case of PEA, which only has one nitrogen). Shulgin talks about primary amine PEA and mono-alkyl PEA, but not di-alkyl PEA. Why was this left out when di-alkyl T's are so infamous? Someone who as access to pricey literature, do some searching. I have ravaged google and pubmed for info on these topics, but to no avail.

I had this question a long time ago and it's quite tricky. The reason you don't see dimethamphetamine is because due to its lack of asymmetry it becomes a better substrate for MAOs. Go figure.

EDIT: Black Pope, maybe you could cap it?

Stupid thread from the faggot claiming MDMA is not a stimulant. You pretty much ruined your e/totse rep by making that thread; no one gives a shit about your stupid phenethylamine trip reports when you can get better phenethylamines, more easier (even though that's not the point of this thread, it's still true). THE NON-MAOI PHENETHYLAMINE THREAD GAIZ, you make it seem like this going to be a long ongoing thing that deserves its own thread/sticky type thing. You heard taking MAOIs with almost all drugs is bad, whoever told you that should diaf. Try taking an MAOI with dmt, LSD or shrooms. Oh, and this stupid ass comment made me laugh like your MDMA thread did: "the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA". The runner's high is linked with endorphins you fucking kidiotic dumbass. Get your shit straight before you come here posting threads and posts attempting to educate/inform us about drugs. GTFO

Stupid thread from the faggot claiming MDMA is not a stimulant. You pretty much ruined your e/totse rep by making that thread;
Judge the current thread, not one that's totally irrelevant.

no one gives a shit about your stupid phenethylamine trip reports
Those people can GTFO.
when you can get better phenethylamines, more easier (even though that's not the point of this thread, it's still true).
Now you have an obligation to say something similar in every thread on any drug that is not crack, heroin, or 5-MeO-DMT. Get to it!
THE NON-MAOI PHENETHYLAMINE THREAD GAIZ, you make it seem like this going to be a long ongoing thing that deserves its own thread/sticky type thing.
It is ongoing, and there's no rule that regulates the naming of threads.
Oh, and this stupid ass comment made me laugh like your MDMA thread did: "the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA". The runner's high is linked with endorphins you fucking kidiotic dumbass.
Guess what endorphins are? http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aendorphin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
There's a bit more to a runners high than pain relief.
Get your shit straight before you come here posting threads and posts attempting to educate/inform us about drugs. GTFO
Now you've basically ruined any rep you have. If you don't like the thread, don't comment. The rest of us will be here learning interesting things.

Now you have an obligation to say something similar in every thread on any drug that is not crack, heroin, or 5-MeO-DMT. Get to it!

I was talking specifically about phenethylamines, L2read kthx.

Guess what endorphins are? http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aendorphin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
There's a bit more to a runners high than pain relief.

Oh really? I'm sorry I didn't take my time to fully describe how a runner's high works to you. If you took the time to read your own link, you can see that without clicking on any of those links, it says that endorphins relief pain and cause euphoria.


Now you've basically ruined any rep you have. If you don't like the thread, don't comment. The rest of us will be here learning interesting things.

I ruined my rep? Damnit. How so? Oh and try not to be a fucking hypcrite next time, if you don't like my post, don't comment about it.

EDIT: somehow divided by 0 and double posted

I was talking specifically about phenethylamines, L2read kthx.
...and why not apply the same reasoning to all drugs? L2reason kthx.

Oh really? I'm sorry I didn't take my time to fully describe how a runner's high works to you.
Apology accepted. Don't fuck it up again.

I ruined my rep? Damnit. How so? Oh and try not to be a fucking hypcrite next time, if you don't like my post, don't comment about it.
By your distaste for this thread and thus experimentation with chemicals in novel ways.

I commented about threads, not posts. Discussing your distaste for a thread's topic is wrong, doing the same for a post is not because you can't derail a post, nor can you detract from a post.

EDIT: Your edit:

If you took the time to read your own link, you can see that without clicking on any of those links, it says that endorphins relief pain and cause euphoria.
Not all of those definitions. There's more to a runners high than endorphins, and there are varying theories on what that could be. Some compounds (salvia for one) act on opioid receptors and don't produce euphoria, so "analgesia and euphoria" is too constricted a definition.

BlackPope, how much did your PEA cost? And you should consider gelcapping it to get rid of taste.

I had this question a long time ago and it's quite tricky. The reason you don't see dimethamphetamine is because due to its lack of asymmetry it becomes a better substrate for MAOs. Go figure.

EDIT: Black Pope, maybe you could cap it?
I did more reading through (t&p)ihkal. My earlier point tried to compare analogues of PEA to analogues of T. This is largely ineffective for the reason you listed above. This is further evidenced by the fact the N,a methyl T is relatively lame, whereas N,a PEA is some of the most recreational sh!t ever. Surely, though, there must be an asymetrical, N-alkyl analogue of PEA. IDK, I'd ask Shulgin m'self but the site's currently down or something.

Stupid thread from the faggot claiming MDMA is not a stimulant. You pretty much ruined your e/totse rep by making that thread; no one gives a shit about your stupid phenethylamine trip reports when you can get better phenethylamines, more easier (even though that's not the point of this thread, it's still true). THE NON-MAOI PHENETHYLAMINE THREAD GAIZ, you make it seem like this going to be a long ongoing thing that deserves its own thread/sticky type thing. You heard taking MAOIs with almost all drugs is bad, whoever told you that should diaf. Try taking an MAOI with dmt, LSD or shrooms. Oh, and this stupid ass comment made me laugh like your MDMA thread did: "the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA". The runner's high is linked with endorphins you fucking kidiotic dumbass. Get your shit straight before you come here posting threads and posts attempting to educate/inform us about drugs. GTFO
You, sir, are a hater. You should seek counseling, meditation, or medication.

Surely, though, there must be an asymetrical, N-alkyl analogue of PEA.

I would assume it would have to be cyclic because there's no way you can get past the loss in activity with increasing N-alkyl length. But you wouldn't be able to make that with the regular processes from PEA (since there are no 5th degree diimines). You'd have to use acetaldehyde rather than p2p (and you know where that comes from! :D). It's really unfortunate that Shulgin didn't discover the activity of PEA and make the n-alkyl analogues to it. I would guess that a 5 or 6-membered ring would be most effective seeing other PEAs that have already been made:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolintane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate

But since these compounds are all alpha-alkyl PEAs, this is just pure speculation.

nshanin, i think blackidiot is a big boy, he can defend himself.

It's not about defending anyone; it's a legitimate beef I have with those who don't appreciate self-experimentation. I'd be the last to defend BlackPope (and in fact I did the opposite in his MDMA thread and most of his threads in LT).

BlackPope, how much did your PEA cost? And you should consider gelcapping it to get rid of taste.

I bought a few different things (non-drug related), I believe it was $30-40? Really cheap.

Gelcapping would work but there is a good bit of powder. Like it would probally take 3-4 of the 0 caps for 1-1.25g of powder.

What I did today was use a smaller amount of water which helped because I only had to deal with the shit taste in 2 gulps. I am hoping that PEA HCl is super soluable in water, the next time I am going to concentrate the water down to a cap of a water bottle. So it would kind of be like taking a cap of GHB haha..




To nshanin and hydroponic chronic:
Ok, the thing is that PEA is definitley different than methamphetamine. The only similarities is a quicker heartbeat and racing thoughts. This is not a drug you can concentrate on or do homework. It is intoxicating. Stumbling when you walk type of thing. I absolutley love it.

My only qualm is that it is too short lasting. It would be great if it could last 4-5 hours without an MAOI. But, if it is possible to synthesize a nice stimulant out of PEA, that would be great because PEA is dirt fucking cheap.









Stupid thread from the faggot claiming MDMA is not a stimulant. You pretty much ruined your e/totse rep by making that thread; no one gives a shit about your stupid phenethylamine trip reports when you can get better phenethylamines, more easier (even though that's not the point of this thread, it's still true). THE NON-MAOI PHENETHYLAMINE THREAD GAIZ, you make it seem like this going to be a long ongoing thing that deserves its own thread/sticky type thing. You heard taking MAOIs with almost all drugs is bad, whoever told you that should diaf. Try taking an MAOI with dmt, LSD or shrooms. Oh, and this stupid ass comment made me laugh like your MDMA thread did: "the scientists are trying to attribute the high from exercizing to the PEA". The runner's high is linked with endorphins you fucking kidiotic dumbass. Get your shit straight before you come here posting threads and posts attempting to educate/inform us about drugs. GTFO


1) I don't care about my reputation on Totse. I never had one, so I couldn't have ruined one.

2) Many people are interested in a mega phenethylamine trip report from someone who is experienced with drugs. 99% of the trip reports on the internet come from people with either no drug experience or are shills for their company selling the product.

3) Yes, taking MAOIs with almost all drugs are bad. Maybe not with certain psychedelic drugs, those can be beneficial (LSD, mushrooms by making them last longer) or necessary (for smoked DMT). Try taking an MAOI with ALMOST ALL OTHER DRUGS, dumb ass. Do not spread misinformation around like that. Especially when it concerns the safety of drug users. People like you get others fucked up during drug use.

4)Runners high is being speculated due to phenethylamine:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web1/sfrayne.html

All I can say is LOL@U. God damnit dude..

5) I can guarantee you I have a larger range of substance abuse than you and I know much more about the effects and safety of said drugs. Obviously you are going to retort "omgz lawls you think mdma is a downer dumbass mdma is related to amphetamine and makes your heart beet faster so must be stim!" Pot makes your heart beat faster, dumbass.

To nshanin and hydroponic chronic:
Ok, the thing is that PEA is definitley different than methamphetamine. The only similarities is a quicker heartbeat and racing thoughts. This is not a drug you can concentrate on or do homework. It is intoxicating. Stumbling when you walk type of thing. I absolutley love it.

My only qualm is that it is too short lasting. It would be great if it could last 4-5 hours without an MAOI. But, if it is possible to synthesize a nice stimulant out of PEA, that would be great because PEA is dirt fucking cheap.

No, like I said it would be impossible since you can only go so far with alkyl chains. I suspect N-Methyl PEA would be just slightly more active than PEA, if even that, though it's definitely worth a shot if you have the methylating agent. Best stick to ye olde formaldehyde and Zn/Hg (or Zn in basic media; you'd need a shitload of zinc though; I made a post about this more OTC reduction in LT). So BlackPope, do you have access to formaldehyde? If not then there's not much I can do; unless you'd like to try your hand at the N,N-dimethyl and trimethylammonium salt forms, which will likely not prove to be much more effective. So take the MAOIs (in very, very small, titrated doses). Watch your diet though, read the various online guides for it. Without any enzymes (or a miracle with N-alkylation) you're looking at something that just can't be altered (save with MAOIs, of course).

No, like I said it would be impossible since you can only go so far with alkyl chains. I suspect N-Methyl PEA would be just slightly more active than PEA, if even that, though it's definitely worth a shot if you have the methylating agent. Best stick to ye olde formaldehyde and Zn/Hg (or Zn in basic media; you'd need a shitload of zinc though; I made a post about this more OTC reduction in LT). So BlackPope, do you have access to formaldehyde? If not then there's not much I can do; unless you'd like to try your hand at the N,N-dimethyl and trimethylammonium salt forms, which will likely not prove to be much more effective. So take the MAOIs (in very, very small, titrated doses). Watch your diet though, read the various online guides for it. Without any enzymes (or a miracle with N-alkylation) you're looking at something that just can't be altered (save with MAOIs, of course).

I can't take MAOI because I use MDMA and opiates.

PEA is good shit, I am not going to put it off just because it is short lasting.

It would be interesting to play around with it. But stoopid noob told me 'find a chemical for a use, not a use for a chemical, noob."

Formaldehyde? No. Hydroponic Chronic in the 2nd post of this topic said DCM in high temps would pull something good?

Do you have any other kinds of OTC reactions one can mess around with?

I can't take MAOI because I use MDMA and opiates.
So stop for a week?

PEA is good shit, I am not going to put it off just because it is short lasting.
So extend it? Jeez, it's not a tough concept.

It would be interesting to play around with it. But stoopid noob told me 'find a chemical for a use, not a use for a chemical, noob."
This is science, not novel methamp synths, which is what the anecdote typically refers to. You want to get sky high? Here's some PEA and harmala.

Formaldehyde? No. Hydroponic Chronic in the 2nd post of this topic said DCM in high temps would pull something good?
Hydro mentioned not DCM, but methyl chloride, which is quite frankly less OTC than formaldehyde (which can be pulled off with JP's patented alcohol oxidation fractionating column (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2150089) if the need arises :p). There are several methylating agents out there but overmethylation is almost guaranteed so you'd be working with dimethyl PEA. Odds are that methyl-PEA is more active than dimethyl-PEA, so this is your best route.

Do you have any other kinds of OTC reactions one can mess around with?

Either way you'd have to buy something online, unless you have specialty stores nearby. Methyl tosylate (from methanol and tosyl chloride) and dimethyl oxalate (from oxalic acid, methanol, and 98% sulfuric acid) are the most OTC methylating agents I can come up with now (though they are not as proven as formaldehyde), unless you can find MeCl somewhere.

No that chemical saying came from mokothar, who was tired of people coming into BB with questions like, I HAS THIS CHEM WHAT CAN I MAKE.


And it applies universally.

And it applies universally.

But why is it relevant? There's no logic that I can see behind it, save a mod wanting a catchphrase with which to reply to the kidiots.

But why is it relevant? There's no logic that I can see behind it, save a mod wanting a catchphrase with which to reply to the kidiots.
He's trying to find a use for a chemical. How can I use this to get high? How about instead of worrying about getting high off of something you have on hand, do research on how to make or get chemicals to meet an end, instead of trying to make one means come to a different end.

So stop for a week? PEA is fun but it is not better than my drugs of choice.


So extend it? Jeez, it's not a tough concept.No, but its a waste of a concept. It would be cool if you can take 2g PEA and have it last for longer than 15 minutes.

This is science, not novel methamp synths, which is what the anecdote typically refers to. You want to get sky high? Here's some PEA and harmala.


Hydro mentioned not DCM, but methyl chloride, which is quite frankly less OTC than formaldehyde (which can be pulled off with JP's patented alcohol oxidation fractionating column (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2150089) if the need arises :p). There are several methylating agents out there but overmethylation is almost guaranteed so you'd be working with dimethyl PEA. Odds are that methyl-PEA is more active than dimethyl-PEA, so this is your best route.



Either way you'd have to buy something online, unless you have specialty stores nearby. Methyl tosylate (from methanol and tosyl chloride) and dimethyl oxalate (from oxalic acid, methanol, and 98% sulfuric acid) are the most OTC methylating agents I can come up with now (though they are not as proven as formaldehyde), unless you can find MeCl somewhere.[/QUOTE]

Buying online isn't too much of a problem for me but it depends on the chemical. Give me all your suggestions and I can make a decision, please.

Buying online isn't too much of a problem for me but it depends on the chemical. Give me all your suggestions and I can make a decision, please.

Ummm, that was it. I'll say it again though:

1) Formaldehyde, zinc, lye (preferable)
2) Oxalic acid, sulfuric acid, methanol
3) Tosyl chloride, lye, methanol
http://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10693945&postcount=106

Follow those links to the processes if you'd like. For #1 I still need to find the appropriate lab procedure for imine formation, but things work the same and it's out there.

Those are the easiest methylation procedures that are known to me. A while ago in LT they were trying to use dimethyl sulfate, which would have been easier than anything, but apparently highly toxic as well. You could also do the imine reduction with aluminum foil and mercury chloride (classic) but there are easier methods out there. If anyone can recommend any others, please do.

He's trying to find a use for a chemical. How can I use this to get high? How about instead of worrying about getting high off of something you have on hand, do research on how to make or get chemicals to meet an end, instead of trying to make one means come to a different end.

Maybe I'm just stupid but I don't see the reasoning behind this. I guess it's intellectually preferable to discover something first, but who cares?

It would be cool if you can take 2g PEA and have it last for longer than 15 minutes.

Dissolve base in food-grade wax. Pour molten wax in gelcaps. Eat.

Dissolve base in a solution of the amino acid of your choice in dH2O. Evaporate and cook at 150-200c until it forms the corresponding amino acid phenethylamide. Pack in gelcaps. Eat.

In the former, your body will have to leech and reacidify the PEA at a slower rate through surface exchange; in the latter, it will have to lyse the peptide at a more time-released rate. In either case, you'll have to raise your dosage to match the time-release so the plasma dosage is equivalent.

Just some crude ghetto time-releases.

Dissolve base in food-grade wax. Pour molten wax in gelcaps. Eat.

Dissolve base in a solution of the amino acid of your choice in dH2O. Evaporate and cook at 150-200c until it forms the corresponding amino acid phenethylamide. Pack in gelcaps. Eat.

In the former, your body will have to leech and reacidify the PEA at a slower rate through surface exchange; in the latter, it will have to lyse the peptide at a more time-released rate. In either case, you'll have to raise your dosage to match the time-release so the plasma dosage is equivalent.

Just some crude ghetto time-releases.

But isn't the only reason you can feel effects is because you're overpowering the oxidases? Releasing PEA over time seems like it would allow MAOs to break them down at a normal rate without any overflow.

I was allways thinking about trying this Phenylethylamine thing, bought why was my time money when I could go buy herion and coke? That just seems to happen faster than eating a bunch of fucking vitamins and a green potadoe or whatever for a couple of days.
So fuck it.

You should get 4 friends that can take MAOIs and test it on them.

No dude, that's phenylalanine. This is completely different. And will probably be a better high, with less ingredients. Also a much bigger chance of killing you though, so ya gotta weigh the options. :P

But isn't the only reason you can feel effects is because you're overpowering the oxidases? Releasing PEA over time seems like it would allow MAOs to break them down at a normal rate without any overflow.


I think he's suggesting releasing such an absurdly large amount of PEA in time release form so that MAO will be busy for the entire experience. I.E: like 2g IR and then 1 gram PEA every ten minutes.

Put like 5 grams in and BAM. You got like 45 minutes of PEA high.

That would be one fucking hell of a gel cap.




I still suggest that MAOIs would be infinitely more efficient, so...

You should get 4 friends that can take MAOIs and test it on them.

5char

I think he's suggesting releasing such an absurdly large amount of PEA in time release form so that MAO will be busy for the entire experience. I.E: like 2g IR and then 1 gram PEA every ten minutes.

Put like 5 grams in and BAM. You got like 45 minutes of PEA high.

That would be one fucking hell of a gel cap.



I know; that makes complete sense, but I thought he was replying to

It would be cool if you can take 2g PEA and have it last for longer than 15 minutes.

You'd definitely have to increase the dose by quite a bit.

I have to hold off intranasal use for a little bit. I am somewhat sick, bad throat and clogged nose. What can I do to clear out my nose? I don't want to take anything that could interfere with the PEA (meth, pse, etc).

I am going on vacation soon and taking a plane. I just have powder. How weird would it be if they searched my bag and found this bag of powder and a miligram scale? Anything I can do to make it not awkward?

Anything I can do to make it not awkward?

Call them supplements. Or weigh it out beforehand, cap it, and take it with you; then your story is much more believable.

Damn it, I didn't have enough time to do it.

I will resume my extensive trip reports next week.

In the mean time, is there any suggestions on experiements I should try out?

I'm surprised only 2-4 people are interested in this.

nshanin, I have a source for formaldehyde.

I believe it is that bullshit aldehyde-in-water, probally 40% concentration.

Is this suitable or does it have to be 100% formaldehyde? As in would I have to distill/dry or could that be used?

Not necessary.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amphetamine.methylation.html

Lookie here, you don't even have to do molar calculations! :)

Rather than hydrogenating it (or using Al/Hg) you could use:

http://sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=7196&pid=83395

Try a small batch (<2g) first with three times the molar amount of zinc and then if that doesn't work add more. If it does then use as little as possible until you get to the minimum amount. You should be able to filter off the zinc hydroxide and make ZnCl2 if you add it to HCl. Then you can electrolyze that to regenerate your reducing agent. Tell me if you have any problems.

Not necessary.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amphetamine.methylation.html

Lookie here, you don't even have to do molar calculations! :)

Rather than hydrogenating it (or using Al/Hg) you could use:

http://sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=7196&pid=83395

Try a small batch (<2g) first with three times the molar amount of zinc and then if that doesn't work add more. If it does then use as little as possible until you get to the minimum amount. You should be able to filter off the zinc hydroxide and make ZnCl2 if you add it to HCl. Then you can electrolyze that to regenerate your reducing agent. Tell me if you have any problems.

Ok, the formaldehyde is 37%.

What reaction vessel? Glass/hdpe?
On WD, UF is saying you can methylate certaine biochems like alanine to n-methyl-alanine via formaldehyde and zinc. Is it just PEA, formaldehyde and zinc thrown in together and shaken? heated?
Please spoon feed me the molar conversions.

You're thinkng a onepotshot reaction of Zn + CH2O and PEA for the monomethyl product? If so, there's this tetrahedron letters dealy (#48, "reductive methylation of primary and secondary amines and amino acids by aqueous formaldehyde and zinc") that deals with this exact subject. NS, I'll email you the PDF if you don't have it. I forget if it's open access.