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Old 2008-12-12, 23:13
somewilliepete somewilliepete is offline
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Default Craziest Legal I Ever Had

So I went ahead and bought a pack of London Underground's "Doves" (The new BZP free kind) from everyones favorite online auction house. It only cost me 15 bucks for the two.

While, it wasn't like rolling, there was a good deal of euphoria, and I was definitely fucked up.
I mean, sped the fuck out. My mouth was dry as fuck.

I took them at 5pm, and was cranked until around 3am. I tried to sleep, but I still had to get up at 6am.

When I woke up, my pupils were still dilated, and I still felt a little fucked up, disassociated and spacey.

Definitely worth buying and trying. I would repeat it if I didnt have to work the day after.
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Old 2008-12-13, 01:04
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Sounds awesome man, the best legals I ever tried are Purple Ohms. They're definitely worth trying, they're slightly trippy, but not too intense, perfect for someone whos never tripped before. Those Doves sounds good though, glad to hear theres no BZP in, unlike most pills nowadays.
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Old 2008-12-13, 01:28
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I took them at 5pm, and was cranked until around 3am. I tried to sleep, but I still had to get up at 6am.

When I woke up, my pupils were still dilated, and I still felt a little fucked up, disassociated and spacey.


Sounds like how I'm feeling after meth... Mad
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Old 2008-12-13, 01:41
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Wtf are you guys talking about I am interested in what these are
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Old 2008-12-13, 01:53
somewilliepete somewilliepete is offline
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It definitely felt like a very clean stimulant high. Not as much euphoria as a nice fat bowl of ice, but definitely cranking like one. (I ate both of the tablets, and suggest you do the same)

A lot of people have reported that they do feel extremely rolly.

I did get some skin vibes, and a body high, but not like mdma.

All in all great party pills. But, I am waiting for someone with the money to send them to a proper lab so I can find out what is in these bastards. So far its all just theory, but either way I was fucked up.
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Old 2008-12-13, 02:06
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Wtf are you guys talking about I am interested in what these are


Shit like this (http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?sC=Herbal_Highs&iProductCategoryID=88&iLastCatID=85)
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Old 2008-12-13, 03:56
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I know they show up yellow with a marquis, that could mean a cathinone derivative, cathinone, methcathinone, MDMCAT, and MDCAT, ect... some people say they feel like ecathinone and methylone, packaging on some say they do not contain methylone or ethylone - that could mean they do or do not, but unlikly as they are legal...

some say neo doves contain methcathinone, but amounts and other ingredients are uncertain...

apparently now they are bzp and tfmpp free...

some packaging says they contain a beta ketone of dom... they say they don't contain doms...

could very well be other beta ketones, such as bk-mbdb, ect...

there could be diphenylprolinol

the old ones contained bk-mbdb, bzp & another piperazine, then apparently there was a bzp ban in the uk so they could have



kept BZP in (changed labelling so not for human consumption)
taken out BZP replaced with MBZP (likewise labelling)
possibly replaced the stimulant BZP part with another stimulant type chemical, possibly the DOMS part [?] from the 3.1. Might they have used dipheylprolinol even in small amounts [?Don't know but it's not a completely nonsensical idea] or maybe used MDPV to keep the accurate "ketones" ingredients list accurate. Alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone analogues are also a possibility. There are many possibilities.

some people say it is like mephedrone, some old lu doves contained butylone, but then the formula was changed...

neuroblast contained dangerously high levels of diphenylprolinol, then apparently the company doubled the dose, as it was being refused...

but this is all just speculation, not real evidence, that won't happen until the company releases the current formula, or a lab tests them...
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Old 2008-12-13, 11:30
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Beta ketones rule!
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Old 2008-12-13, 11:33
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Best legals I've had are:

Methylone or Skunk.

Methylone is the tits for a legal drug, it is incredibly similar to MDMA I think, just not as intense. It's very nice.

Skunk:anbow is incredibly like weed, it does get you mashed, it's nice.

Wanna try Mephedrone, need to get some money. It's meant to be very good too.
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Old 2008-12-13, 15:26
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"Urban shamans" are either methcathinone or a similar analogue, LU "grooves" are 1,4-DMAA/chocamine/caffiene, "Hummers" are synephrine, caffeine and mixed amino acids...
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Old 2008-12-13, 15:48
PyroPeanut1776 PyroPeanut1776 is offline
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from everyones favorite online auction house

So you were fertilizing were ya?

But seriously, Doves do rock socks.
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Old 2008-12-13, 20:07
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How did you take them?
I tried chewing one and just swallowing the other. I only got a slight buzz off them. I was unimpressed.
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Old 2008-12-13, 21:08
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i wonder whats in them.
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Old 2008-12-13, 22:39
somewilliepete somewilliepete is offline
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How did you take them?
I tried chewing one and just swallowing the other. I only got a slight buzz off them. I was unimpressed.


I bombed both of em, and didnt have much to eat all day.

There are some imposter pills out there. The ones I had were very bitter, and had a dove stamped in em. They also were very chalky, not crumbly, but loaded with alot of product and little binder.
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Old 2008-12-14, 16:56
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I bombed both of em, and didnt have much to eat all day.

There are some imposter pills out there. The ones I had were very bitter, and had a dove stamped in em. They also were very chalky, not crumbly, but loaded with alot of product and little binder.

Yea the ones I had, had no logo imprinted into them. They tasted really, really bad too and were kinda chalky.
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Old 2008-12-20, 17:23
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I recently had 2 absolutely amazing "legal's", mephedrone..... half way between coke and mdma, methylone.... amzingly better and cleaner than mdma...... bothe cheaper than the illegals...... got em online from ravegardener cant reccomend these things highly enough, best ive ever had
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Old 2008-12-20, 22:04
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what the fuck page are you guys talking about? its like you are all speaking a new language or some shit i have no clue what any of that shit is except methylone
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Old 2008-12-21, 02:05
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Beta ketones rule!

The "legal high" industry seems to be getting on the ball here...EEK!
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Old 2008-12-26, 17:16
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what the fuck page are you guys talking about? its like you are all speaking a new language or some shit i have no clue what any of that shit is except methylone


Various chemical analogs, most of these things are on erowid
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Old 2008-12-26, 23:09
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The "legal high" industry seems to be getting on the ball here...EEK!

Make the most of it and keep this shit on the downlow, it wont be around much longer considering the increace in coverage over the last few months. Im stocking up as soon as the holidays are over.
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Old 2008-12-26, 23:48
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What the FUCK is wrong with you people?

Taking substances that you have no idea what is in them? Then bragging about it online?

I can't wait until one of you motherfuckers die from this shit and the company gets fucked over and drugs have even worse of a stigma then they do now.

I know that a big thing to drug users is that "people worry about themselves and mind their own buisness." But until the government does this, you can't just go through life not giving a fuck and fucking it up for everyone else.

You are all faggots for sure
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Old 2008-12-27, 00:12
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That’s one of the things I find so ironic about the legal highs industry. They claim to be all about harm reduction and the like but almost every "herbal pill" "herbal smoking blend" "legal halucogen" does not have any information on its actual contents and those that do are deceptive. I mean look at spice, it has a huge list of ingredients on the package all claiming to have all these various effects but never once does the packaging or the producer mention it also contains JWH-018 which has only just recently been found by an independent lab. All the legal pill blends, they never mention methylone, mephredone, BZP, mcPP on the package they just claim to contain "amino acid blends" or "piperzine blends." Neither is there any information on the quantity or actives in those pills. These are things being marketed towards people who would normally drop pills without a care in the world as to what is in them and eat pills like sweets. These users don’t know what they could do in higher doses but I bet they don’t care either, shit half these people don’t even realise ecstasy = MDMA or what street pills should actually contain, its a case of "as long as it gets me buzzing."
I don’t even know myself what methylone or mephredone does in higher doses, because its a research chemical and the information hasn’t been explored yet, Iv never once seen an LD50 for either substance or information on overdoses bar one speculated possible overdose where information is patchy. This is one of the reasons why I buy pure substance rather than pills (both illegal and legal), I can measure what I believe is a safe dose and take it easy keeping a close eye on how much I’m taking, how I’m feeling and what I’m mixing it with and potential reactions. I don’t think there are many people out there doing that and as black pope said, somebody could very easily die from this through lack of information and this is why these substances WILL be illegal very soon.

Everyone in this thread is speculating that LU doves contain methylone, mephredone etc... But the fact is, apart from the guy making them nobody really does know exactly what is in them or how much. People using these and other legal pills have NO idea exactly what they are putting in their bodies or how much. Even with street pills its a lot easier to test them, to know what and how much you are putting in your body if you put in a little work and use your brain but with these legal’s you will never truly know.
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Old 2008-12-27, 15:46
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^ good post & very true.

thats fucking prohibition for you.
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Old 2008-12-28, 23:20
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It has to be mephedrone because methylone is illegal in the UK.
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Old 2008-12-29, 00:11
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methylone isnt illegal in the uk, have a read throught the misuse of drugs act, its not mentioned there .... no beta ketones are.... not yet so get em while you can
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Old 2008-12-29, 00:13
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mephedrone is a bargain at 12.50 a g, google can be a great help if you know what you want and what you want to pay
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Old 2008-12-29, 02:19
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The neo doves are mephedrone, and they just killed someone.
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Old 2008-12-29, 05:42
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The neo doves are mephedrone, and they just killed someone.


sauce?
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Old 2008-12-29, 13:02
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sauce?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=411184
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Old 2009-01-02, 23:45
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methylone isnt illegal in the uk, have a read throught the misuse of drugs act, its not mentioned there .... no beta ketones are.... not yet so get em while you can


All of pihkal is in the misuse of drugs act.
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Old 2009-01-03, 00:52
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3 pages of 'crazy' legal highs and no-one's mentioned salvia yet... must be some good shit.
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Old 2009-01-03, 07:44
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"Urban shamans" are either methcathinone or a similar analogue, LU "grooves" are 1,4-DMAA/chocamine/caffiene, "Hummers" are synephrine, caffeine and mixed amino acids...


1,3-DMAA:o

I have a few too many grams of this shit on my hands.....Mad
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Old 2009-01-03, 09:06
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1,3-DMAA:o

I have a few too many grams of this shit on my hands.....Mad

Is it actually worth paying for?
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Old 2009-01-03, 09:12
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3 pages of 'crazy' legal highs and no-one's mentioned salvia yet... must be some good shit.


WHAT?!?!?! MadMadMadMad
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Old 2009-01-03, 19:41
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Is it actually worth paying for?

I didnt think it was all that great, slight buzz and a little energy but nothing to get excited about and not exactly recreational.

But on the other hand its cheap as fuck so I guess it is worth paying for a little.
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Old 2009-01-04, 00:22
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I have GOT to try some legals soon, just to say "Yea bitch I'm high, but it's legal". Or whatever...
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Old 2009-01-04, 05:49
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I didnt think it was all that great, slight buzz and a little energy but nothing to get excited about and not exactly recreational.

But on the other hand its cheap as fuck so I guess it is worth paying for a little.

Would it be a good alternative to caffeine, like if I gotta stay awake at work or stay up and write a paper?
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Old 2009-01-04, 15:23
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Who's the best manufacturer for this stuff? Where is the best place to buy purple ohms if one lives in the U.S.?
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Old 2009-01-06, 08:22
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Who's the best manufacturer for this stuff? Where is the best place to buy purple ohms if one lives in the U.S.?


I dunno if it's the best place, but I know that they're auctioned off.
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Old 2009-01-08, 01:38
somewilliepete somewilliepete is offline
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The NEO Doves were already sent to a pill lab and analyzed.
The London Underground doves however still have not been checked out.


As for the people who have problems with the legal pills and the legal pill takers all I can say is this.

Unlike illegal pills, legal pills have a company behind them associated with every product they produce

Illegal pills, also contain a number of research chemicals, and vary widely in comparison with legals

Oddly enough: Companies like London Underground that produce legal highs will actually give them out for free to people on websites with the balls enough to try their new blends and chemicals in them. I have seen this on EDIT more often than not with a few brands.

If everybody thought like you, then nobody would ever ingest a new chemical and you would have nothing
 
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