After I typed this out I had to post it. Please lock this thread instead of deleting it. I just want to be able to reference it later. (This was originally a reply to a thread)

Warning: Holy fucking shit. Well, tonight I did some speed with the intention of writing a comparison essay on Fight Club and The Wars. Before I started I thought I’ll just peep totse before the speed kicks in then I’ll get to work. An hour later, I’ve written an essay on circumcision.

This giant block of text contains tons of info. If you read it all, you will be extremely educated on the matter of circumcision for all eternity. I might have repeated myself a few times but I’m tweaking, bare with me. Seriously, it’s a bit boring but a good read, in my opinion.

Note: There is a ‘too long didn’t read’ at the bottom, which is basically a concluding paragraph of an essay.

(Just a little fact for the druggies. I started writing this sober then the speed kicked in. You can see it in the writing).

Its pretty funny how America got pwned by the jews right around the world war 2 time period. All of a sudden, Hitler is killing all the jews and using propaganda to make it seem like a noble act. Many jews flea Europe, with plenty of them coming to north America for refuge. In Germany, the jews were an especially easy target for one simple reason. Circumcision. The Nazis would group up hundreds of men in the streets, and tell them all to drop their pants. Virtually only jews were circumcised in those times (both in Europe and America) so they were an easy target. Anyone without foreskin was shot or put to work or worse.

Some of the Jews that fled to America realized how serious a problem this was. Men in the religion MUST be circumcised... But this also makes it impossible for them to deny/conceal being jewish, and with Hitler taking over the world it just might come to that. If America loses to Germany our race will be hunted down and killed and we will be easy targets just like in Europe. Something must be done...

"Wait!!1!1! I noe! Lets just circumcise everyone!"

What an awesome idea. Of course, they would need to convince everyone this was a good idea. But why would doctors recommend circumcision when it really doesn't provide any real benefits? Because that is their job. To perform medical procedures on people, earning money. They are a business. Circumcision is a relatively easy medical procedure. You're in, there’s some cutting, crying, bleeding and stitching, then you're out, with at least 500$ in your pocket. That’s why the doctors don't object.

I can tell you for real, from a relatively unbiased view point, the pros and cons to circumcision.

Lets start off Oh natural el. The magical wonders of the foreskin. From birth till death the foreskin is intended to cover the glans (dome(head)), protecting it from outside forces and nerve damage. The foreskin makes up about 2 thirds of the skin on the adult penis. Thats a lot of skin. The foreskin keeps the glans moist all the time, which allows it to retain an effective mucus membrane (circumcision causes a layer of skin to form reducing the mucus membrane properties). That sounds gross but all it really means is what condition the skin is in. Some parts of the foreskin have a decent amount of nerves, which obviously cause pleasure. However, some parts of the foreskin are loaded with tons of nerves. These parts are extremely pleasurable. When the foreskin is fully retracted the skin closest to the head is the most nerve packed. The foreskin also helps in penetration, by allowing the penis to glide in more easily. It aids in masturbation, working almost like a permanent lubricating device. It is not actually wet, but it definitely makes masturbation better. The most nerve dense part of the penis is the frenulum, which is normally removed in circumcision. This small band of nerves on the bottom of the foreskin connects to the glans, attaching the foreskin to the penis. It is an extremely erotic area.

Essentially, the foreskin causes the penis to avoid nerve damage and makes sex better. However, there are downsides to having a foreskin. You’ve probably heard of smegma and the various myths that surround it. Let me tell you something. If you ever find significant amounts of smegma on ANY guys cock, the smegma is the least of your concern. What you need to worry about is why you are resorting to fucking a man that hasn’t bathed in 3+ weeks. Sometimes I didn’t shower for about a week when I was 17. Disgusting I know, but sometimes I went even more then a week without showering. I never got any smegma. Or at least not noticeable amounts. I mean sure, my cock probably tasted revolting, but its not like there was actually any cheese on it. I also wasn’t getting it sucked either, if I was I would have showered. Only once when I didn’t shower for 2 weeks at a cottage, after doing workouts all day around the property, did a noticeable amount of smegma begin to form. So once again I will state, if you ever find a cheesy dick, its because it belongs to an extremely unhygienic slob, not because it isn’t circumcised.

Aside from that, foreskins can be too tight and prevent retraction or cause the foreskin to get stuck once retracted, possibly cutting off blood flow to the penis. That scenario is unlikely but it does happen. Many boys have tight foreskin, which can be a pain, but once it’s broken in its well worth it. Sometimes a cream may be needed and other times a surgery may be needed. In either event, it’s normally not a big deal. 1-2 trips to the doctor to fix it type of thing.

The other problem with the foreskin is called a frenulum breve, in which the frenulum is too small/tight and rips during intercourse. Normally this can be fixed by a 10 minute surgery, but occasionally may require circumcision.

Some statistics say men with foreskin are more susceptible to sexually transmitted diseases but its not confirmed. If you throw 100 pennies in the air it is unlikely 50 will be heads and 50 with be tails. Same thing with this data collection. Although I can see holding it some weight for certain diseases, because like I said earlier, the mucus membrane is more functional and may allow pathogens to enter the blood supply. A circumcised head would have better protection but only because the sensitive skin has been covered by a layer of different skin. I’m not sure about any of that though, what I am sure about is the unreliability of most random statistics. That’s basically every negative aspect to having a foreskin. Very slim chance you will need minor surgery, very slim chance you may be more susceptible to aids when fucking the local crack hoe. Guaranteed chance of increased pleasure.

Circumcision… Some people say there’s no point to it. But they are wrong. It has 3 purposes, 2 of them being relatively stupid. Reason 1) there is a problem with the foreskin and circumcision is required. That’s the best practical reason for it. The next best reason is Religion. Honor god and slice off part of your dick. If you see a point to it then go for it. Its actually a pretty reasonable excuse, no one can prove your beliefs wrong. The last practical reason for circumcision was to make life in the desert easier. If you only get 2 cups of water every week you sure as fuck can’t be using one to wash your foreskin. Living in a dry environment is the last practical reason for circumcision.

After those come the more illogical ones. Such as myths about smegma free, disease resistance, and so on. Whatever you are used to will be more cosmetically appealing, that’s why American girls tend to like the circumcised look better while women else where don’t. Really though, once erect it barley has any noticeable differences. Once its inside a pussy it makes even less of a difference. Although circumcised men can last longer in bed, it is only because their nerves are slightly damaged. The loss of nerves means it takes a longer time to achieve the same level of stimulation.

Some adults get circumcised and then say they don’t notice much a sensitivity reduction. That is because the head has only just begun to be constantly exposed. After years of direct friction, the damage would be noticeable. A penis undergoes more nerve damage when circumcised at infancy then at adulthood; however, a penis circumcised as an adult will have a much worse scar.

Many things can go wrong in circumcision. I probably don’t have to point them all out so I won’t. But some of them are disfigurement and infection. A guy can accidentally get his manhood cutoff, or rendered useless. Or sometimes an infection can cause death. Babies do die from circumcision occasionally.

There are not really many… err…. Any… pros to circumcision (when it is done for no reason), other than the physical appearance and possibility of avoiding any problems associated with the foreskin (frenulum breve, tight foreskin, smegma). On the contrary, the problems associated with circumcision are far worse (mutilation, infection, death, nerve dead penis).

If the circumcision is done properly and is successful then its really not much different from an uncircumcised one. This debate has escalated too far considering how little of a difference there is. The fact is, uncircumcised penis’s can feel more pleasure then circumcised ones can. How much more? Probably not a lot. Definitely not enough to warrant such hate filled arguments. Personally, I think circumcisions should never be performed unless there is a practical reason (Refer to the few I mentioned).

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So why is it done so much in the states? Because the Jews and the Medical corporations teamed up to manipulate the public in order to attend to their own needs. The jews needed penis conformity to avoid being singled out, while the health care industry makes millions every year from the deal. Not just from the actual surgery, but on developing new equipment, selling large amounts of current equipment. Or drugs used in combination with circumcision. They even make money from complications. If a doctor cuts off half your penis, the health care industry will make money on all the surgeries you need to fix it. When you sue that doctor, the money comes out of his insurance. As an industry, circumcision is an excellent business tool.

At first studies were buffered, exaggerated, and even 100% fabricated to sway the American Public. Jews with positions of power that realized how this could benefit them supported it. People with money invested in medical companies supported it. Oh and by the way, I should have clarified this earlier, when I refer to the jews as the ones who planned this, I don’t literately mean all of the jews. Or even any that are currently still alive. This wasn’t a jewish conspiracy or anything. Just some smart and influential jews realized the situation at hand and sparked the idea. The jews didn’t spark the idea. Men who were jewish sparked the idea. There is a difference. I am not an anti-Semite or conspiracy fan.

Once the jews (referring to a select few/unknown individuals who were jewish) had created this idea of making circumcision the norm for every man in society, the medical industry fell in love with it, and deceived the public into believing it was a good thing. The deception didn’t have to last long. In following years various people realized what had happened and tried to correct modern customs but it was too late. The damage had been done. Smith has been circumcised and so Smith Junior will be circumcision too. Like father like son. And that’s why the tradition continues on today despite knowing there aren’t really any benefits.

Don’t believe the conspiracy? I can’t say I blame you, it is a little bit out there. But there are points to support it. For instance, circumcision rates were always lower in Canada, even though Canada typically mimics USA customs. Why could that be? Oh yeah, because Canada is free health care so convincing people to do it is a waste of money in the big picture. Shit like this has happened before. I remember hearing from my parents that when I was born women were advised not to breast feed, but use a store bought formula instead because it was healthy. So tons of women didn’t breast feed but bought formula instead, then it comes out that breast milk is actually much healthier.

So… In closing, circumcision should not be done without cause, however the fact that it is done without cause is not a big deal. Technically uncircumcised men have more feeling in their dick but its not enough to really matter. Circumcised guys have never even felt their foreskin nerves so they don’t know what they’re missing. You can’t have crazy heroin cravings before ever trying heroin. Same deal here. There are some minor pros and cons to each one, but in the end it doesn’t make a dick of a difference so stop your god damn bitching. You should be more mad at your health care system and political structure that allows these kinds propaganda money grabs.
If you actually read this all then I’m surprised. And impressed.

Too long didn’t read:

Uncircumcised is probably the better choice because it feels better and has no serious risks, where as circumcision has several. However, the difference in the final result is so minor it does not really matter, nor does is warrant hate filled arguments on the subject.

Furthermore, circumcision was incorporated into the American culture because of a joined conspiracy involving the jews and more so, the American health care industry. This was done by manipulating the public with propaganda, making circumcision more appealing then it really is and then elevating it as the social norm. It was done with the intention of providing the health care industry with a new market and huge source of income. The jews originally got the idea snowballing because the mass circumcisions can incidentally be extremely useful for concealing jewish males in times of genocide.

None of this was copypasta.

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tl;dr

Was to be expected. I will be surprised if 1 person reads it.

This information is crossed over from the other thread I posted in which was subsequently locked. Mods you cannot lock this thread because the OP has attempted to generate conversation.

I have a friend who had to get circumcised for medical reasons, according to him, a man who has experienced both has said:

He said that 4 years after he was circumcised. It has now been 6 years and he still says sex for the circumcised is "so unbelievably shit, all the sensations are gone".

Female circumcision was deemed as mutilation. There are 3 different types of female circumcision and given, the first 2 are pretty horrific. But one is cutting off the clitoral hood is the equivalent to a male circumcision and yet, the female variant is considered mutilation and illegal!


Anyway, getting back to the subject at hand: Luckily in Australia, circumcision in is not practiced like the Americans. To the people who I talk about this IRL, none of them are mutilated. And with all the women I have been with most of them described circumcision as "fucking disgusting".. The other minority had no preference.

Also, in a sex survey that was taken in Australia in 2005, over 75% of women preferred uncircumcised and the same amount of men surveyed were unmutilated.

Only in the US, some African countries and other small misc countries, with circumcision, worldwide you're a minority.

1.) Being unmutilated makes you more sensitive and you don't last longer during sex.

That can be true. However, you can exercise your PC muscle to make you laster longer AND you get the extra pleasure of extra sensitivity. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT OFF PART OF YOUR DICK!


2.) You have to clean an unmutilated penis

What, you don't clean down there? You are also supposed to equally clean a mutilated penis. If you don't clean before a date or whatever, thats your business.


3.) Mutilated penii are less susceptible to STDS and AIDS

Cut or not, you should ALWAYS wear a condom, you idiot. Yes, condoms is not 100% insurance, but neither is your 0.01% less of a risk you have... The odds are *you* will contract the infection just as an unmutilated.... Its just like an extra 3 out of 20,000 that don't.

4.) After you're born, you no longer need your sword sheathed.

How do you like having a smaller penis? Thats right. Studies have proven that being circumcised stunts the full potential your penis to grow to. How do you feel about your parents now?

Penn and Teller did a show about male mutilation. After watching it you probably will have a changed mindset.... It also further enrages you towards the typical american female who thinks she has the right to expect a male to be mutilated but won't entertain the thought of cutting off her clitoral hood being chopped off(the female equivalent)...

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/620449/2940202

^ If you do nothing else, at least watch the above video

Man, its bad enough that a crazed doctor cut my foreskin off when I was born, but now everyone has to go around and keep reminding me about it!

I need a circumscision, foreskin doesn't go over my glans

I'm really self conscious about it.

Sucka.

How old are you?

old enough to know i should have got it done a while back

i thought essays were not supposed to be in first person?

Only formal essays. This was a drug induced ramble informal/personal essay.

Joos did circumcision

who ever thought of circumcision in the first place? i'm talking way back in ancient times. think about it. what would lead you to conclude that a piece of skin on the penis should be cut off? it's like cutting off earlobes, just for the hell of it. why was foreskin chosen? i don't think the jews were the first to do it.

ITT: Guys hate the fact girls love cut cock

*not a joo*

I agree with all the above points.

Only stupid American girls who have only ever seen cut dick.

Dude, you live in NJ?

North Bergen, NJ