Meta, it's clear that despite you not having the exact posture as this guy:

http://www.biography.com/biography/images/episode_images/JohnWayne_Gacy_320x240.jpg

you still touch kids. Can you confirm or deny these allegations?

I also resent your not reading of your own official bitch thread. At least give us that much attention.

The first Official Meta Bitch thread can be found here:

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2060674


Meta, it's clear that despite you not having the exact posture as this guy:

http://www.biography.com/biography/images/episode_images/JohnWayne_Gacy_320x240.jpg

you still touch kids. Can you confirm or deny these allegations?

I also resent your not reading of your own official bitch thread. At least give us that much attention.


Of course I will deny it. But do you not think I will deny it true or not [though in this case it is true - the denial, that is]?

I like large breasts way to much to have any interest in kids anyway.

As for reading the Official Meta Bitch Thread[s], I didn't mean to imply I don't read them. I have to make sure rules aren't being broken, after all. I meant that, generally, I wasn't inclined to reply to anything in it.

[And for those who are just waiting to pounce and say "Why can he make an Official thread?" It's because I was just waiting for somebody to make another bitch thread, which I was going to turn into the next Official thread anyway...]

Meta, is it a bannable offense to tell users how one can find pictures of you?

You're my new girlfriend nshanin. ;)
Ive seen Metas pic and that dont look at all like him.

A good question. I had to think about it for a bit.

For example, if you were to say something like: You can find a pic of Meta at ED, and then say what to search for... I think that's allowed. But you can't link to it - or typing out the link or something like that.

A good question. I had to think about it for a bit.

For example, if you were to say something like: You can find a pic of Meta at ED, and then say what to search for... I think that's allowed. But you can't link to it - or typing out the link or something like that.
Is it really you? Or is this an elaborate hoax?

Is it really you? Or is this an elaborate hoax?


Is what really me?

A good question. I had to think about it for a bit.

For example, if you were to say something like: You can find a pic of Meta at ED, and then say what to search for... I think that's allowed. But you can't link to it - or typing out the link or something like that.

How about:

"You can find meta's pic at a page that is similar to tinyurl.com/jkjkdfdfd"

where that url leads to nowhere but is similar to a url where your pic is located. Would you like an example?

Is what really me?
The pic on that site you mentioned.

How about:

"You can find meta's pic at a page that is similar to tinyurl.com/jkjkdfdfd"

where that url leads to nowhere but is similar to a url where your pic is located. Would you like an example?Stop flirting, nshannin. He'd only pickle you anyways. Posting his pic would go even worse for you.

Idea: E-mail everyone the pics directly.

Would you like an example?


Yes, would you please?

I am pretty sure I know what you're talking about. But I want to be certain we are on the same page. Especially since a misunderstanding here could possibly lead to a ban.


The pic on that site you mentioned.


Yes, it is really me. It was a Halloween costume I made one year. It was based on something my GF of the time used to call me: White Ass Boy [thus the WAB]. It was because of the briefs that I used to wear.

Yes, would you please?

For example, one can find quite a funny pic of meta at a website similar to: www.tinypic.com/himeta

For example, one can find quite a funny pic of meta at a website similar to: www.tinypic.com/himeta (http://www.tinypic.com/himeta)


I can't answer this yet. I need to think about it and get some opinions.

I didn't want you to think I was ducking the question if you didn't hear back from me in a day or two.

It's a good question since it obviously has wider implications and would set a kind of precedent for how other cases would be handled in the future. Being such I don't want to just rush in and give an answer without having given it some thought, having sought other opinions, etc.... Especially knowing how there are those who just love to pounce on what I say :D

I can't answer this yet. I need to think about it and get some opinions.

I didn't want you to think I was ducking the question if you didn't hear back from me in a day or two.

It's a good question since it obviously has wider implications and would set a kind of precedent for how other cases would be handled in the future. Being such I don't want to just rush in and give an answer without having given it some thought, having sought other opinions, etc.... Especially knowing how there are those who just love to pounce on what I say :D

Ahem....allow me...

Meta,...just want you to know that, personally I don't think posting or making fun of your pix is ethical flaming...but having said that....

All your effort to hide your pix from the eyes of the public is futile no matter what "rules" you are going to set....thanks to technology. I mean posting your pix is just like pouring a jar of water into the ocean, once it's out there there's no way you can get it back. And no matter what rules you set, there'll always be some ways to circumvent them.

Say,...*FOR EXAMPLE*... your pix are tagged with "meatman", I can easily say :

eg: google--->meatman.

or

search : "meatman" site:whatever.com

all of which would lead users to your pix eventually.

So I think instead of barring users from posting and making fun of your pix, ...might aswell post the pix on your profile to deny potential flamers of any ammo in the first place...and as time goes by,....everyone would be desensitized by the urge to post your pix....

Problem f'xd...I mean I didn't see people rioting over the funny comics depicting Buddha or Christ...did you ??

Streisand effect : read-know-do.

-Meth,
Assistant DA.

If my motives were indeed as you say, then yes, all that might make sense. But if your basic assumption is wrong, then everything that follows is too.

If my motives were indeed as you say, then yes, all that might make sense. But if your basic assumption is wrong, then everything that followers is too.

So are you saying that you uses them as a lure to get users banned ??

So are you saying that you uses them as a lure to get users banned ??Banning is very important to him... almost just as much as cashing in on friends, and actively depriving users here of their ultimate destinies. You have much to learn, grasshoppa. Don't worry though - he won't live forever, and then we can be free of his reign of terror. Zok too.

Ya know, pondering Meta's eventual demise just gave me a great idea for what could be one of the most fun and whimsical game threads yet. We could come up the "Metaphysicist Dead Pool". The game would be really easy....just set a projected traffic increase percentage, and everyone gets to guess when the site starts blossoming again and the goal of traffic increase is hit.

Whether we would want to track the site entirely or just specific forums.....we could go by either Alexa rankings or Zok could create some kind of robot to monitor the traffic. Then whenever we hit the increase, whoever came closest to guesstiminating the amount of time it took to reach that increase could win a prize.

Personally I think a 25% increase would be a decent number.....something that could be attained in probably just a couple of months (maybe even weeks depending on word of mouth referrals?) and would keep people's normally short attention spans interested in the whole thing.

I was unnecessarily snappy with Metaphysicist earlier, simply because I'm tainted, I imagine. It's been digging at me all day. Obviously, I don't deal with taint all that well. I guess I still bear somewhat of a grudge that he was somehow involved in my own demise concerning this... this... new patented -SpectraL Rule I had so rudely discovered, but I suspect it was zok, The Great Wazzoo alone, who was and is the real underhanded criminal in this thing. Perhaps I can just wait for him to die instead, I don't know anymore. What this -SpectraL Rule is, what it consists of, what horse it rode in on... all that is a mystery to me still, and I guess I felt Metaphysicist owed me at least an explanation of the what this Rule is for, but in reality, he's probably not responsible for this travesty of justice. He does secretly enjoy banning, and he bans often when he is in a bad mood when he hands out stricter punishments than what was actually deserved, but he'll usually come around afterward and repair the thing if the user is up to talking about it with him. He closes too many valid content threads too, instead of moving them appropriately, and deletes posts when he's not really allowed, but other than that, he's a hard worker and has done a lot for Totse.

Hee Hee

I refuse to play a part in this thread... although I am right now - but only to tell you I wont. Because - I LoVe meta. He is my HERO!~

Why post at all if you refuse to participate you moron? I am sure you would feel alot more warm and fuzzy if you didn't trumpant your paficism.

How about:

"You can find meta's pic at a page that is similar to tinyurl.com/jkjkdfdfd"

where that url leads to nowhere but is similar to a url where your pic is located. Would you like an example?



Ok, I checked on those opinions like I said I would and they basically agree with my line of thinking. Which is: Any posting of a pic - no matter the context - is a violation of the rules.

Ok, I checked on those opinions like I said I would and they basically agree with my line of thinking. Which is: Any posting of a pic - no matter the context - is a violation of the rules.

As in the act of posting...ie; making your images appear in one's post....

or

including mentioning publicly where your photos are available and/or stating ways to get to them by one's post here....on totse ???

As in the act of posting...ie; making your images appear in one's post....

or

including mentioning publicly where your photos are available and/or stating ways to get to them by one's post here....on totse ???



Both.

For example, if you were to say something like: You can find a pic of Meta at ED, and then say what to search for... I think that's allowed. But you can't link to it - or typing out the link or something like that.

So is this now void? I can't tell users to search for it on ED?

So is this now void? I can't tell users to search for it on ED?You can't wipe your ass without permission either.

So is this now void? I can't tell users to search for it on ED?


Well, from what I understand, no. In the smaller issue - of it being just about my pics - I obviously don't mind that. But, as was pointed out to me and as I already said, the issue is much bigger.

But in a sense that's almost a non issue since this isn't very likely to become an issue with anyone else's pics. I honestly don't see the fascination so many of you have to want to see my pics - especially the Halloween costume one.

As someone said, if I minded my picss been on the net I wouldn't have put them on it in the first place. Well yes and no. It is true that mos of the pics were taken from my photobucket site and was really only meant for a certain few to see. On the other hand, if I was thatworried, I would have either emailed them or not sent them at all.

No, the reason I took back permission to post my pics here is because it became to much of a pain in the ass as everyone was posting their favorite version of them and it just got old. And not being the attention whore Toothlessjoe is about these things I decided to just not allow any to be post, period.

Simply use Pig Latin to direct persons to the pics. Writing backwards, clever anagrams and painting posts with lemon juice will also get the job done quite nicely.

http://www.last-minute-dvd.ch/images/The_Italian_Job.jpg

Did you lol at that shopped pic that I "linked" to, meta?

Did you lol at that shopped pic that I "linked" to, meta?

Uh, no, I didn't.

Uh, no, I didn't.

Were you even able to see it?

ITT: nshanin gaying the thread up beyond recognition, as he is wont to do.

I don't get it...

Who's Alexa?

meta is gay he holds the gay powers of the universe the gay rap the gay guy holdin his dick with a hat condom on that spaz like that fuck like that 1 .2 tthree four hes also a filthy whore

better be careful or he will use his gay power on you

better be careful or he will use his gay power on you

he better i need some gay ass money so i can fuck some gay ass hoes

I don't get it...

Who's Alexa?Alexa is the site-traffic ratings website. It shows Totse on a steep decline due to chronic and overly poor management... we won't name names or anything.

Alexa is the site-traffic ratings website. It shows Totse on a steep decline due to chronic and overly poor management... we won't name names or anything.

And where is your proof that the reason for tote's decline in traffic is related to poor management? Perhaps torturing cats and making home made explosives went out of fashion. :o

And where is your proof that the reason for tote's decline in traffic is related to poor management? Perhaps torturing cats and making home made explosives went out of fashion. :o

all anybody has to do is watch the mods continually 1 let some posters do whatever they want. 2 delete and close good threads over and over. 3 Troll their forums and ban anybody who best them at their own game. 4 Misspell easy words

And where is your proof that the reason for tote's decline in traffic is related to poor management? Perhaps torturing cats and making home made explosives went out of fashion. :o

Nasal sex never goes out of fashion!

Were you even able to see it?

Nope.

is anybody bitching about Meta in this Meta bitch thread

is anybody bitching about Meta in this Meta bitch threadPeople just don't even know where to start anymore. :(

People just don't even know where to start anymore. :(


Of course, the flip side of that is that people have finally got it all out of their system now.

Of course, the flip side of that is that people have finally got it all out of their system now.

I really doubt that they have.

I really doubt that they have.

Oh I didn't say that's what I thought it was...

A good mod is universally liked by everyone but outright trolls and rulebreakers.

Nobody is universally liked.

Nobody is universally liked.Except for me. I'm liked by all. :D

Except for me. I'm liked by all. :D

You're like tetris. People play you when all the rest gets boring. :o

Nobody is universally liked.

So says the eldest child....

Nobody is universally liked.

Then there are no good mods.

Then there are no good mods.Truth be told, my brief reign was full of goodness, fairness and ever-suffering wholesomeness. Patience and justice were also just some of the more interesting features of my horribly curtailed adventure. You just be quiet now, you.

Truth be told, my brief reign was full of goodness, fairness and ever-suffering wholesomeness. Patience and justice were also just some of the more interesting features of my horribly curtailed adventure. You just be quiet now, you.

I wasn't here for that, admittedly. I can only assume you were universally adored, and could barely walk straight for all the tongues in your ass.

Why were you modded/demodded?

I wasn't here for that, admittedly. I can only assume you were universally adored, and could barely walk straight for all the tongues in your ass.

Why were you modded/demodded?I was modded because an as yet unknown hacker of the Enigma account wanted me in the play, but Metaphysicist and zok made quite sure I paid for my audacity before I was even a week out of the gate. Ever since the dissension, I've been half the man I was.. cobbled... torn away from what would have been a natural development to proper status. It's been terrible, I tell you. Terrible.

I was modded because an as yet unknown hacker of the Enigma account wanted me in the play, but Metaphysicist and zok made quite sure I paid for my audacity before I was even a week out of the gate. Ever since the dissension, I've been half the man I was.. cobbled... torn away from what would have been a natural development to proper status. It's been terrible, I tell you. Terrible.

You sound like toothlessjoe. It's like your life revolves around being a mod on totse. Knowing that it will never happen, your life must be such a shitty heap of donkey shit. :o

You sound like toothlessjoe. It's like your life revolves around being a mod on totse. Knowing that it will never happen, your life must be such a shitty heap of donkey shit. :o

Yeah, he sure sounded 100% sincere. I reckon his spirit was truly and permanently crushed by the incident.

You sound like toothlessjoe. It's like your life revolves around being a mod on totse. Knowing that it will never happen, your life must be such a shitty heap of donkey shit. :oOh, just go ahead and shut your hole, you stupid little moron. Not everybody is as serious about everything as your idiotic ass is.

Oh, just go ahead and shut your hole, you stupid little moron. Not everybody is as serious about everything as your idiotic ass is.

It would seem I have struck a rather sensitive nerve...

I was modded because an as yet unknown hacker of the Enigma account wanted me in the play, but Metaphysicist and zok made quite sure I paid for my audacity before I was even a week out of the gate. Ever since the dissension, I've been half the man I was.. cobbled... torn away from what would have been a natural development to proper status. It's been terrible, I tell you. Terrible.

LISA NEEDS BRACES!! DENNAL PLAN! :o

Then there are no good mods.

Who said a mod had to be liked to be good? That's silly. If the trolls hate you I would argue that you're a good mod.

So says the eldest child....

Actually, I am the oldest in my family...



Truth be told, my brief reign was full of goodness, fairness and ever-suffering wholesomeness. Patience and justice were also just some of the more interesting features of my horribly curtailed adventure. You just be quiet now, you.


Yup, and I stand straight, can move my head and am the most well loved mod on totse...



I was modded because an as yet unknown hacker of the Enigma account wanted me in the play, but Metaphysicist and zok made quite sure I paid for my audacity before I was even a week out of the gate. Ever since the dissension, I've been half the man I was.. cobbled... torn away from what would have been a natural development to proper status. It's been terrible, I tell you. Terrible.


Oh nigga please!


The hacker is not unknown; just unnamed. And yes, there is a difference.

You were demodded because Jeff wanted all people modded by 'bob'. Zok and AM were then free to remod anyone they wanted to keep - like Rabbitweed, who was going to be made mod before 'Bob' came along. You were not remodded because we were not planning on adding any mods to B&M at the time. Both Zok and I have said you would be kept in mind for the future.

Who said a mod had to be liked to be good?

Democracy.

Yup, and I stand straight, can move my head and am the most well loved mod on totse...

Oh nigga please!


The hacker is not unknown; just unnamed. And yes, there is a difference.

You were demodded because Jeff wanted all people modded by 'bob'. Zok and AM were then free to remod anyone they wanted to keep - like Rabbitweed, who was going to be made mod before 'Bob' came along. You were not remodded because we were not planning on adding any mods to B&M at the time. Woah, Nelly! So I got the story.. uh.. slightly skewed? I had meant to leave out the part of you as the bad-man, honest!, but the temptation was just much too strong in the end! *bows head resignedly*



Both Zok and I have said you would be kept in mind for the future.Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

p.s. Even though I wanted to see both of you guys pushing daffodils, for awhile there anyways (all those ages ago...well, yesterday, OK, damn you...), the point is... I guess I can't stay mad at yas for long. Call it a weakness of mine.. I don't really know what the heck it is... I guess I'm going to hell anyways, so what the hey.

It would seem I have struck a rather sensitive nerve...



LISA NEEDS BRACES!! DENNAL PLAN! :oListen up , asshole. Not being made a mod won't kill me. I'll still be the same person. Sure, I wanted it, but I won't go to bed hungry just because of not getting it. Even if I was NEVER made a mod, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. My very first comment upon getting de-modded was to inquire where all the angels and harps went... hardly the comment of somebody who's been mortally wounded. I just like to soak everything up for its full potential, and it is YOU who have actually been trolled, you stupid little fucker. Get with the program, son, then come see me, huh?

Listen up , asshole. Not being made a mod won't kill me. I'll still be the same person. Sure, I wanted it, but I won't go to bed hungry just because of not getting it. Even if I was NEVER made a mod, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. My very first comment upon getting de-modded was to inquire where all the angels and harps went... hardly the comment of somebody who's been mortally wounded. I just like to soak everything up for its full potential, and it is YOU who have actually been trolled, you stupid little fucker. Get with the program, son, then come see me, huh?

yap yap yap yap someone is being a bad sport about losing is non-existent, week long modship. :o

You're crying right now you ugly little cockless bitch.

Also, note to everyone who is concerned: spctrl is ugly as fuck. Next to him, toothlessjoe is Brad Pitt + Johnny Depp.

Democracy.


Which might matter if totse were a democracy, but it isn't.

when i first came back i didn't realize why every one could hate a mod so bad. Now i get it, there are four posts closed(in SG) for no obvious reason, all containing at least one post by a mod. WTF. As i said before fuck meta.

Check the first entry (https://www.totse.com/community/infraction_list.html). Welcome to Bundesrepublik Deutschland, kid. Hope you enjoy your nightmare. ;)

What are you talking about? Out of the first 15 entries on that list, I am only 2 of them.

BTW, this is being merged into the Meta Bitch thread. It needed to get back on track any way.

sweet i get to say fuck u meta again without spaming
and wtf are u talking about SpectraL

I love Meta.

Oh shit, is this in the wrong thread?

Meta, why is it illegal to send legal spore prints to other totseans (in places where said prints are legal, of course)?

What are you talking about? Out of the first 15 entries on that list, I am only 2 of them.

I was referring to the first entry on the list, not the entire list, where you banned a user for posting this in SG (https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10841383). He was a piece of shit poster anyways...

Welcome to Bundesrepublik Deutschland, kid. Hope you enjoy your nightmare. ;)

There really is no reason for you to try and insult Germany you white trash piece of shit.

Both Zok and I have said you would be kept in mind for the future.

I guess I'm going to hell anyways, so what the hey.

Preferably you'll have to pass via a mod position on this board first.

I was referring to the first entry on the list, not the entire list, where you banned a user for posting this in SG (https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10841383). He was a piece of shit poster anyways...

"A couple months ago, I wanted to get as many totseans, and people as possible, to stockpile tens of thousands of rounds of amunition, and magazines, and obtain level four body armor. I planed to have stockpiled this, by a fucking month ago. Now all I have is 2 fucking guns, with only about 100 rounds, alltogether. The reason, is so that the United States can rise up against bush, when he declares martial law, at the beginning of next month. At this point, it does not look like that uprising is a reality.

I still want all of you to stockpile as many weapons as possible, we are more powerfull then this government, if we arm, and prepare ourselves."

This isn't spam or an advertisement. As far as I can see, it doesn't break any site rules at all. Hare_Geist and RDProgrammer have also made some questionable infractions.

then fucking do it, but god help you if you arrange it publicly in the open in MY forum..

Preferably you'll have to pass via a mod position on this board first.C'mon now.. we both know the law of gravity can only be fully defeated when all attracting, fat, deluded and head-enlarged bodies have been removed... :).... notice how I never even once said a single thing about either zok or acidmelt or Metaphy... oh... wait... :(


I always figured my passing would be similar to those haunted water-park rides, where you are taken in a small canoe through a dark maze of scary props, which drop from the rafters, and which lean out at you from the crevices, along with frighteningly tattered monsters that howl at you suddenly when you come around the sharp corners unawares. I really never expected a sitting room full of upset grannies suffering from chronic dissociative identity disorders and angry dispositions.

This isn't spam or an advertisement. As far as I can see, it doesn't break any site rules at all. Hare_Geist and RDProgrammer have also made some questionable infractions.

That's quite true, but complaining about it won't get you very far. How do I know? Well let me tell y... wait a cotton-pickin' minute... nice try, sir. Nice try. *nods head knowingly* ;)

p.s. You forgot vilbe, but I'm glad you mentioned RD_Programmer, as that fool has banned several great users for absolute bullshit.

then fucking do it, but god help you if you arrange it publicly in the open in MY forum..

Honestly, you'd have thought they'd have worked out some kind of code by now.

"I'll be standing on the end of pier 9 at 10 pm, with a bag of 13 haddock kidneys, half a smoked kipper and three goldfish. Will accept 4 fishing hooks in exchange."

C'mon now.. we both know the law of gravity can only be fully defeated when all attracting, fat, deluded and head-enlarged bodies have been removed... :).... notice how I never even once said a single thing about either zok or acidmelt or Metaphy... oh... wait... :(

In my personal experience it's the lesser celestial bodies which cause the most trouble. Like granite turds floating through space they can crash into threads at the most inconvenient of times, in an attempt to cause the mass-extinction of anything resembling intelligent life.

Any suggestion on my part to have you re-instated would almost certainly have to bypass Maggots & Assholes.

In my personal experience it's the lesser celestial bodies which cause the most trouble. Like granite turds floating through space they can crash into threads at the most inconvenient of times, in an attempt to cause the mass-extinction of anything resembling intelligent life.

Any suggestion on my part to have you re-instated would almost certainly have to bypass Maggots & Assholes.

Not a problem. We'll simply spray a full can or three of Maggots & Assholes Be-Gone™ all over their striped, yellow carapaces, then watch them spin around with their legs sticking up in the air, kicking out in all directions, as they slowly still their mindless resistance.

p.s. Thanks for all the support, Slave. You rock man. ;)

then fucking do it, but god help you if you arrange it publicly in the open in MY forum..

Then tell me what rule it was breaking.

then fucking do it, but god help you if you arrange it publicly in the open in MY forum..

What the fuck is your problem? The guy asked a question.

Dont motherfucking make it a contest of will you fucking pathetic piece of pugnacious shit

Then tell me what rule it was breaking.The rule is "Thou shalt not cause grief to thy Moderator." Rule#1 in the Friendly Fascist Handbook. I'm surprised you missed it!

*a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break*

The rule is "Thou shalt not cause grief to thy Moderator." Rule#1 in the Friendly Fascist Handbook. I'm surprised you missed it!

*a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break*

I hope you are joking.

That rule is so butt-fuckingly vague and subjective and is so easy to fall prey to liberal interpretations of the, guess what, powers that be.

I will give you an example. Say I post a pic of me that is extremely ugly-looking. Can zok or acidmelt now say, "zomg wan's ugly pic caused grief to me, now she's bant!!!!!"?

I hope you are joking.

That rule is so butt-fuckingly vague and subjective and is so easy to fall prey to liberal interpretations of the, guess what, powers that be.

I will give you an example. Say I post a pic of me that is extremely ugly-looking. Can zok or acidmelt now say, "zomg wan's ugly pic caused grief to me, now she's bant!!!!!"?Of course! That's the beauty of the whole scam! Cancel that last. I'm all done with being the goody-two-shoes around here. They will do what they wish, and we will gladly accept it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
=
-- The First Amendment
glad to see were following the founding principle of this site

o and fuck u meta

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
=
-- The First Amendment
glad to see were following the founding principle of this site

o and fuck u metaThis kind of liberal, white-washed, poppy-cock hardly applies to Totse, ya know? Truth be told, we were even better than Congress at one time, but they've surpassed their dirty personal agendas and filthy underhanded censure... but now we're... but now.... *cries*

This kind of liberal, white-washed, poppy-cock hardly applies to Totse, ya know? Truth be told, we were even better than Congress at one time, but they've surpassed their dirty personal agendas and filthy underhanded censure... but now we're... but now.... *cries*

that's why we need a new American revolution. so we can put the filthy bastards in the ground were they belong. and we can string meta up is crippled neck while were at it.

and as always fuck meta

I assume it's legal if it's legal...Sorry, not following you.


I was referring to the first entry on the list, not the entire list, where you banned a user for posting this in SG (https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=10841383). He was a piece of shit poster anyways...


Well, if notice, the infraction was for spam. And you know me well enough to know I don't use the spam infraction for anything but what has been defined as spam.

He got infracted because that was not the only time he posted that thread - he just changed the title to it. Multiple copies of the same thing is spam. From FAQ rule #4:


Posting the same rant, advertisement, or announcement in multiple forums is moral equivalent of sending SPAM e-mail to people. We hate SPAM.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
=
-- The First Amendment
glad to see were following the founding principle of this site




Totse isn't the US - it's not even a country. The first amendment quote on the front page refers to Jeff's right to post what he wants to post on his own site.

Users have never had total freedom of speech here and never will. We do allow a lot more freedom than most sites do. But you still can't expect to be posting anything you want.

It boils down to that this is a private web site. Owned by Jeff and run by his proxies [ie: Mods and Admins]. It can't be compared to a country because it's nothing like one. The are no citizens here, so no rights, per se.

It's more like an arcade or a skate park or something like that. Those are privately owned and have rules you must follow to be allowed to use the place. If you get thrown out of an arcade for breaking their rules you don't have a leg to stand on if you try to fight it by saying you have the right to do what ever it was that you did. No, it's either follow their rules or you don't get to hang out and enjoy the place.

Well the same goes for totse. You follow the rules you get to hang out and 'play' here. If not, you don't. It really is that simple: Play by our rules or don't play here.

He got infracted because that was not the only time he posted that thread - he just changed the title to it. Multiple copies of the same thing is spam. Nice. Make me look through three months of his posts only to discover not a single one even remotely similar to the one he got banned for. However, he obviously did make countless no-content threads and posts, all of which were totally ignored, I might add. Hey, it's your going away party, not mine. Have fun with it.



The are no citizens here, so no rights, per se. You know as well as I do that the mission statement for the creation of this site was, and still is, freedom of expression. Save the bullshit for somebody who's buying.

I assume it's legal if it's legal...Sorry, not following you.
:o I meant infractionable. I think it was vilbe who infracted a user and locked/deleted a thread that had somebody giving out free spore prints.

I'm still bitter that Meta locked my thread. I think he hates me :(

You know as well as I do that the mission statement for the creation of this site was, and still is, freedom of expression. Save the bullshit for somebody who's buying.

What bullshit? I never said it wasn't. I said that the posting of the 1st amendment referred to his right to post the text files. And that is true.

But you are right in that this site is founded on free expression. That's why we're instructed to allow as much freedom as we can, but to do what we need to do to keep the place running well.

If we let people say what they wanted, then this place would be a right mess. People could do spam attack, post a ton of CP, make empty threads...you get my point. So obviously people can't have 100% freedom of speech here. So it's not a matter of totse not having freedom of speech - we never did and never will - it's about the degree of freedom that is allowed.

As I said before, totse has a lot more freedom than most site on the web. You - and some others - think we don't go far enough you all think. I don't think so. I think we allow the right amount [of course I'm going to think this way]. Most people think so too. That doesn't mean you're wrong. I think this is an issue that has no right or wrong; just opinions.


:o I meant infractionable. I think it was vilbe who infracted a user and locked/deleted a thread that had somebody giving out free spore prints.


Ah, I see. I kinda thought that that was what you meant, but wasn't sure.

The reason is because it is still illegal in other places and there is no way to limit him to only places where it's legal. So while his actions are potentially legal, they are also potentially illegal. You're not supposed to be offering anything via totse anyway.

I don't know if I would have infracted the guy or not. But I would have certainly locked the thread.

What bullshit? I never said it wasn't. I said that the posting of the 1st amendment referred to his right to post the text files. And that is true.

But you are right in that this site is founded on free expression. That's why we're instructed to allow as much freedom as we can, but to do what we need to do to keep the place running well.

If we let people say what they wanted, then this place would be a right mess. People could do spam attack, post a ton of CP, make empty threads...you get my point. So obviously people can't have 100% freedom of speech here. So it's not a matter of totse not having freedom of speech - we never did and never will - it's about the degree of freedom that is allowed.

As I said before, totse has a lot more freedom than most site on the web. You - and some others - think we don't go far enough you all think. I don't think so. I think we allow the right amount [of course I'm going to think this way]. Most people think so too. That doesn't mean you're wrong. I think this is an issue that has no right or wrong; just opinions.
You're a wise man, Metaphysicist, and you have the decency to discuss in a civil manner, without throwing idiotic and clueless comments into it, of which I greatly respect you for. Rock on, dude. ;)

The reason is because it is still illegal in other places and there is no way to limit him to only places where it's legal. So while his actions are potentially legal, they are also potentially illegal.

But he explicitly said that he would not send to those states where spores were illegal. You have no way of knowing that I won't take any of the information here and use it for illegal purposes, but that doesn't stop the board from running.

You're not supposed to be offering anything via totse anyway.
So all those Christmas card and gift exchange and free stuff trade threads (in SG) should all be locked?

This place is for the exchange of information and ideas, not a launching pad for material goods. Sometimes a blind eye is turned, but let's not lose sight of the goal here.

I don't know of anyone who's doing that.

I don't know of anyone who's doing that.Thing is, if you allow anyone to distribute any material goods on Totse, then you have to allow all of it that falls on the borderline between personal trafficking and harmless sharing. When you allow anything other than discussion to be distributed on Totse, you are setting a precedent for other cases.

Thing is, if you allow anyone to distribute any material goods on Totse, then you have to allow all of it that falls on the borderline between personal trafficking and harmless sharing. When you allow anything other than discussion to be distributed on Totse, you are setting a precedent for other cases.

Then we best be locking all those threads I mentioned; along with game exchange and anime exchange threads as well. I would understand if the guy was trying to sell/give RCs, but these are just spores for Christ's sake! Shroomery allows its users to give out (equally legal) plant cuttings, what's the difference?

Then we best be locking all those threads I mentioned; along with game exchange and anime exchange threads as well. I would understand if the guy was trying to sell/give RCs, but these are just spores for Christ's sake! Shroomery allows its users to give out (equally legal) plant cuttings, what's the difference?One thing I would like to point out is that it is extremely difficult to establish beyond all doubt that the supplier of said sources is not actually involved in some kind of profiteering, even though the links seem to point elsewhere. Secondly, when you approve of some distribution, it becomes harder and harder to draw the line, especially considering the different and varied viewpoints of so many users and moderators here, and before you know it, everything goes. I believe we should not allow any material distributions at all on Totse, and keep it strictly to open discussion.

Sound's like Spectral needs to get out more.

AmIRight?

One thing I would like to point out is that it is extremely difficult to establish beyond all doubt that the supplier of said sources is not actually involved in some kind of profiteering, even though the links seem to point elsewhere. Secondly, when you approve of some distribution, it becomes harder and harder to draw the line, especially considering the different and varied viewpoints of so many users and moderators here, and before you know it, everything goes. I believe we should not allow any material distributions at all on Totse, and keep it strictly to open discussion.

What kind of profit is there when the guy gives them out for free and even ships them out at no charge?

Sound's like Spectral needs to get out more.

AmIRight?When I want to go out, I simply go out. When I want to discuss on a message board, I discuss on a message board. Sounds like it's you who doesn't have your associations linked up correctly. Try again, Ernie. I must warn you though, many have tried to ridicule me and failed.

What kind of profit is there when the guy gives them out for free and even ships them out at no charge? There could be strings attached that the receiver and/or management may not be aware of... possibly reciprocal business requests after transaction, mailing-list head-hunting, social engineering for personal information.. the list goes on and on really. Just because something looks harmless doesn't mean it is, and we have no way of fully following up on each and every case. To verify every single case of distribution would be time-consuming and often dead-ended and inconclusive.

There could be strings attached that the receiver and/or management may not be aware of... possibly reciprocal business requests after transaction, mailing-list head-hunting, social engineering for personal information.. the list goes on and on really. Just because something looks harmless doesn't mean it is, and we have no way of fully following up on each and every case. To verify every single case of distribution would be time-consuming and often dead-ended and inconclusive.

Okay. Please don't waste my time anymore.

Okay. Please don't waste my time anymore.Apologies. Please ignore everything I've just said, and we'll go back to grunts and body language.

ignore everything I've just said

way ahead've ya pal

So all those Christmas card and gift exchange and free stuff trade threads (in SG) should all be locked?


Technically, yes they should be locked. But people think I lock too much shit as it is. These are basically harmless. Whereas the other has potential for problems.

Yes, it might be argued that the others also have potential for problems, but not nearly as much. You asked me a question and I have answered.


You're a wise man, Metaphysicist, and you have the decency to discuss in a civil manner, without throwing idiotic and clueless comments into it, of which I greatly respect you for. Rock on, dude. ;)


Ah, now you've done made me blush...:D

way ahead've ya palWay to shoot the messenger, clown.

But he explicitly said that he would not send to those states where spores were illegal. You have no way of knowing that I won't take any of the information here and use it for illegal purposes, but that doesn't stop the board from running.


ya see, it states explicitly in BLTC's rules that we're not a drug hook up. which it would happen to fall under.....

ya see, it states explicitly in BLTC's rules that we're not a drug hook up. which it would happen to fall under.....



[Imitating Max Smart...]

That too..

Max: You might as well surrender, because at this very moment, you are being surrounded by 5,000 crack Swiss troops. Would you believe it? 5,000 crack swiss troops.
Villain: I find that very hard to believe, Mr Smart.
Max: Oh. Well, would you believe 150 Tyrolean skijumpers?
Villain: No, I wouldn't.
Max: How 'bout two St. Bernards in heat?

ya see, it states explicitly in BLTC's rules that we're not a drug hook up. which it would happen to fall under.....

Spores are drugs? Are you kidding me?

Technically, yes they should be locked. But people think I lock too much shit as it is. These are basically harmless. Whereas the other has potential for problems.

Yes, it might be argued that the others also have potential for problems, but not nearly as much. You asked me a question and I have answered.

What kind of potential? These aren't drugs we're sending, and the gift exchange threads could very well send spores too.

Spores are drugs? Are you kidding me?

Not in the least. Spores are akin to pot seeds. We wouldn't allow people to be sending those to each other even if it said it was limited to valid medical pot states.

It's not rocket science: Anything that could possibly cause Jeff trouble is just not allowed.



What kind of potential? These aren't drugs we're sending, and the gift exchange threads could very well send spores too.

They are still illegal in many places - places that could cause Jeff grief.

And I knew you were going to say that about the gift exchange and I'm not going to play the rule lawyer game with you.

You asked me a question, I answered. Period.

Not in the least. Spores are akin to pot seeds. We wouldn't allow people to be sending those to each other even if it said it was limited to valid medical pot states.
I won't bother asking for a reason since "you answered" and that should apparently be enough.

It's not rocket science: Anything that could possibly cause Jeff trouble is just not allowed.
Then why start the site in the first place if there's the possibility for any of the information on this site to be abused?

They are still illegal in many places - places that could cause Jeff grief.
Psilocybin Mushroom spores are legal to possess in every state except California, Georgia, and Idaho.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_law.shtml

Yeah; quite a few. This is why it would not be the same as sending marijuana seeds; because the overwhelming majority of states allow spores.

And I knew you were going to say that about the gift exchange and I'm not going to play the rule lawyer game with you.

You asked me a question, I answered. Period.

No rationale necessary? I understand, meta. An answer's an answer whether it makes sense or not.

The answer is simple: It could cause Jeff legal troubles and so we are not allowed to post such. That's pretty much the bottom line - as I tried to tell you. If you don't understand why, I ca't help you.

Most of the information on this site could cause Jeff legal troubles.

Most of the information on this site could cause Jeff legal troubles.


Hardly.

They are still illegal in many places - places that could cause Jeff grief.

the number one no-no of totse, yer fucked if you cause him grief..

the number one no-no of totse, yer fucked if you cause him grief..Sometimes I wish the Rule#1 was not, "Thou Shall Not Cause Thy Administrator Grief", but rather, "Thou Shall Not Disrupt The Forums." If the site is going to go with a blanket statement as a one-rule-does-all, I'd much more prefer one that relates more to the user-base than a single person who isn't even present. "Thou Shall Not Disrupt The Forums" would encompass a wealth of more obvious sins - covering everything from spam to spores, and would be much easier for the moderators to argue when called on the rule.

Sometimes I wish the Rule#1 was not, "Thou Shall Not Cause Thy Administrator Grief", but rather, "Thou Shall Not Disrupt The Forums." If the site is going to go with a blanket statement as a one-rule-does-all, I'd much more prefer one that relates more to the user-base than a single person who isn't even present. "Thou Shall Not Disrupt The Forums" would encompass a wealth of more obvious sins - covering everything from spam to spores, and would be much easier for the moderators to argue when called on the rule.


On the face of it that would be a good idea. The problem, though, is that defining what constitutes disrupting a forum is a very subjective thing. As bad, if not worse, than it is with spam and defacement. It would have a lot of people bitching that what they did wasn't disrupting, or that so and so is disrupting so please ban them.

It would also be open to abuse by mods - not that any would...

On the face of it that would be a good idea. The problem, though, is that defining what constitutes disrupting a forum is a very subjective thing. As bad, if not worse, than it is with spam and defacement. It would have a lot of people bitching that what they did wasn't disrupting, or that so and so is disrupting so please ban them.

It would also be open to abuse by mods - not that any would...Then again, presenting a good case for grieving an administrator would be no less difficult than demonstrating exactly how a user disrupted the site. My advice? Get rid of all the useless piece-meal rules, which can each be misinterpreted different ways by different people anyways, and put them all under one main rule: Thou Shall Not Disrupt the Forums. It's more orderly to argue one single premise than 100 different smaller ones. The moderators have the privilege and experience of deciding what constitutes a disruption to the forums, and should be able to provide SOLID reason and reference on the public infraction list. Whatever... not my site, but in these kinds of situations, keeping it simple is often the best policy, IMO.

Meta, are you ever going to ban that 'a fucking ghost' user for posting that fucking stupid picture all the time in every post?

Every single homosexual who has posted on this thread (all of you except for me as im not homosexual) should just SHUT THE FUCK UP, ok.

Thanks.

not that any would...

[1] Please sit in a bright room;

[2] Kindly turn off your monitor...

[3] Now with that blurry image of a head you see in your monitor,..... ask your self this :

have you been as truthful to us as you'd been truthful to him ???

I'm a proven idiot and moron.

[1] Please take an express bus to the H.J. Heinz canning company ;

[2] Kindly shut the fuck up...

[3] Now with your ugly head caught in an industrial-grade carrot-peeler,... ask yourself this :

haven't you been a useless-twit poster since you arrived here on that ugly horse you rode in on???

You're my new girlfriend nshanin. ;)


You two make a beautiful couple. Which one wears the apron?

Which one wears the apron?

It varies.

It varies.

Alternating anal poundage

Then again, presenting a good case for grieving an administrator would be no less difficult than demonstrating exactly how a user disrupted the site.


Not true. All AM, Zok or Jeff need do is say that they are being grieved and that's that. They need not prove that. Whereas with what you propose, it's all mods who would be able to infract for that and I don't think all mods can be trusted to not go nuts with it - not that I'm thinking of any specific mod. I just mean that that's about 70 people as opposed to just 3.


Meta, are you ever going to ban that 'a fucking ghost' user for posting that fucking stupid picture all the time in every post?


Don't know what you're talking about. But if someone is posting the same thing in each Post - as long as there is other content - is ok and not against the rules.

Really, TJ, you need to worry about yourself and not other posters. Leave them to us.



have you been as truthful to us as you'd been truthful to him ???

Absolutely.

alternating anal poundage

turn on

Not true. All AM, Zok or Jeff need do is say that they are being grieved and that's that.
Zok and acidmelt are never here, so moderators just step into their shoes and use the grief rule in their name anyways. May has well cut out the middle man and go whole hog.

Don't know what you're talking about, but TJ just pointed you to a shit-head that has posted the same stand-alone graphic dozens and dozens of times consecutively, seriously spamming the site (http://A%20Fucking%20Ghost). In fact, he's still doing it. You might take these kind of reports with a little more seriousness, instead of shrugging it off like a dick.

[username: A Fucking Ghost]


That's why I asked if the guy was posring any other text with it. Because if he was making regular posts and tagged on the pic at the end like a sig, well that is allowed.

But if the guy was posting only a pic[s], no that is not allowed and if I see someone doing it - or am pointed to it - I do ban them.

That's why I asked if the guy was posring any other text with it. Because if he was making regular posts and tagged on the pic at the end like a sig, well that is allowed.

But if the guy was posting only a pic[s], no that is not allowed and if I see someone doing it - or am pointed to it - I do ban them.

Read his posts (or at least his earliest posts).

Read his posts (or at least his earliest posts).

I did - I should have done that in the first place. My apologies SpectraL. No, that shit is most certainly not allowed. I removed all those posts and banned him.

I did - I should have done that in the first place. My apologies SpectraL. No, that shit is most certainly not allowed. I removed all those posts and banned him.Ok. I'm sorry too. Just felt bad for TJ is all... ya, I know... I'm a nut. ;)

meta (if you're the mod that banned me, highly likely) thanks for banning me for a week with no immediate warning. my crime was "to post a meaningless thread" in bitch & moan.

i posted 'i want to fight somebody' in bitch & moan, sorry father for i have sinned.

you are not a meta-physicist you are a meta- poohead.

you are not a meta-physicist you are a meta- poohead.

sick burn

That's why I asked if the guy was posring any other text with it. Because if he was making regular posts and tagged on the pic at the end like a sig, well that is allowed.

But if the guy was posting only a pic[s], no that is not allowed and if I see someone doing it - or am pointed to it - I do ban them.

I don't see how the site is better-off without that poster. He didn't post excessively, he didn't derail threads, he didn't stretch pages and he was mostly confined to HB. All he did was add a little bit of harmless character to the site, doing something that was technically against the rules but that didn't do one thing to make the forums worse. What does it matter if it was technically against the rules?

I don't see how the site is better-off without that poster. He didn't post excessively, he didn't derail threads, he didn't stretch pages and he was mostly confined to HB. All he did was add a little bit of harmless character to the site, doing something that was technically against the rules but that didn't do one thing to make the forums worse. What does it matter if it was technically against the rules?

You known that multiple accounts are bannable, right?

You known that multiple accounts are bannable, right?

Even assuming the poster was using a multiple account, what harm does it do when the multiple account is only posting those little pictures occasionally?

sick burn

u can`t be serious

u can`t be serious



Anyone for tennis?

Anyone for tennis?

Wouldn't that be nice?

Even assuming the poster was using a multiple account, what harm does it do when the multiple account is only posting those little pictures occasionally?


Occasionally?

Occasionally!?!

Oh nigga please!

I had to delete 5 pages of that one post.

And since you are not smart enough to understand why he got banned - you say one little pic can't hurt? Well what if 20 people decided to do that in every thread? Or 100? Things would soon get ugly.

Occasionally?

Occasionally!?!

Oh nigga please!

I had to delete 5 pages of that one post.

And since you are not smart enough to understand why he got banned - you say one little pic can't hurt? Well what if 20 people decided to do that in every thread? Or 100? Things would soon get ugly.

5 pages posted over how many weeks?

Reward innovation, punish imitation. No need to drag personal insults into it either.

Plus it's even harder to read those shitty HB threads with all those annoying kidiot shit-drops littered throughout. I'm one of those nut-balls that reads every thread in every forum just for the sake of curiosity, including HB, and it's distracting as well as stressful to my index finger to have to scroll again and again over so much moronic idiocy.

HB is just for posting shit, not reading it.

HB is just for posting shit, not reading it.You can sometimes get some tasty tidbits from HB.

What does it matter if it was technically against the rules?

Uhm

Yes, it DOES matter. If something is technically against the rules, that means it IS against the rules, therefore, it's bannable.

Simple as that.

Uhm

Yes, it DOES matter. If something is technically against the rules, that means it IS against the rules, therefore, it's bannable.

Simple as that.

Only a fool thinks that all rules should be adhered to without exception.

(Also, not everything that's against the rules is bannable.)

Only a fool thinks that all rules should be adhered to without exception.

I am not going to comment on this because I am not a moderator and it is not in my place to determine whether exceptions are to be made or not. That being said, I do imagine there will be what we call "mitigating factors" and I suppose they could in theory play a role.

(Also, not everything that's against the rules is bannable.)

Care to give an example to illustrate your point?

I was under the impression that going against the rules is by definition a bannable offense.

Care to give an example to illustrate your point?

I was under the impression that going against the rules is by definition a bannable offense.

Several infractions are worth less than 10 points, and thus you won't be banned for incurring a single one of those infractions. I can't remember any specific ones, but I'm sure a moderator will back me up.

Just to help out, here is an example of 5 and 3 point infraction offenses, and then of course you have your 10 and 15 point infractions, which actually cause the goof to be booted right out of the park.

EXAMPLE:

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr172/SpectraLPics/Example.jpg

Glad I could help!

HB is just for posting shit, not reading it.

"Every thread in HB is a fucking post count thread". --H a r o l d

Breaking News:

Somebody went on a drug-induced thread-locking rampage (http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=151&order=desc&page=2) in SG today.

Well don't look at me, I just got onle about an hour ago and am now checking in.

Based on the deleted threads - which I don't know if you can see or not - I'd be looking at Static Void.

So spectral still has some mod powers?

Yes...the same way I used to have invisible friends.....

Not at all. What made you think that??

So spectral still has some mod powers?Truth be told, in my brief reign of terror in Bitch&Moan, I locked a total of about ten bogus no-content threads and banned two users for 10 days for spamming identical posts dozens of times across several forums. Hardly the acts of someone out for unnecessary censure. In fact, didn't I get a few days taken off your own ban by sending legal letters and subpoenas to Metaphysicist? Get real, nshannin. Get real.

Really, TJ, you need to worry about yourself and not other posters. Leave them to us.

About myself? It's not like I've been going around being borderline naughty. Also:

But if the guy was posting only a pic[s], no that is not allowed and if I see someone doing it - or am pointed to it - I do ban them.

I pointed you to it. Someone who tries to contribute well pointed you to someone breaking the rules.

I did - I should have done that in the first place. My apologies SpectraL. No, that shit is most certainly not allowed. I removed all those posts and banned him.

So you apologize to Spectral because he moaned about you not taking it so seriously, yet I get no apology for being told to not worry about other posters despite you saying you'll deal with rule breakers if someone brings it to your attention (See: my actions)? .

Why do I still feel like the "staff" of Totse dislike me for no other reason but a clash of personality/opinion not actions?

In fact, didn't I get a few days taken off your own ban by sending legal letters and subpoenas to Metaphysicist?

No, actually I talked to him on IRC and he told me that he had no idea that the ban was too long. Doesn't look like he got the message.

No, actually I talked to him on IRC and he told me that he had no idea that the ban was too long. Doesn't look like he got the message.

My bad. I remember now. I actually pestered Metaphysicist about your ban in a thread, and when he didn't respond/didn't see it, I e-mailed zok about it. Never got a reply from zok.

No, actually I talked to him on IRC and he told me that he had no idea that the ban was too long. Doesn't look like he got the message.


Which message is that again?