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Old 2008-12-10, 22:57
mr. benfield mr. benfield is offline
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Default drugs and anxiety/stage fright

hey guys

i was just wondering if anyone knew how certain drugs effect the sensation of stage fright.

first of all, im not a pussy. i was just wondering if there was something i could take to take the edge off of a huge presentation i have to give tomorrow (about DMT actually).

I have some adderal and some beta blockers. i think from a physiological point of view this should work wonderfully.

the only thing im wondering about is if the adderal will only add to my anxiety, or if it will give me more confidence. ive noticed i become paranoid on adderal, but at the same time i am also way more socially confident.

any advice? is this a stupid idea?
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Old 2008-12-10, 23:12
psuedogunslinger psuedogunslinger is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

Opiates and amphetamines with some benzos to round it all out. You'll give the best presentation ever, provided you don't take too much and od/blackout that is.
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Old 2008-12-10, 23:20
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Long Island, NY
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Low dose amphetamine (20mg snorted)

AND

Beta blockers. Just the regular dose of the beta blocker.


Beta blockers will definitely help for anxiety, especially fight or flight type anxiety that you are probably having from the stage fright.

Taken together you will be very chatty and confident.
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Old 2008-12-10, 23:23
mr. benfield mr. benfield is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

do you think it matters if i snort it? if i take it orally, how long should i do it before the presentation? i was thinking like an hour and a half.

how much is a normal beta blocker dose? i have 40 mg tabs
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Old 2008-12-10, 23:30
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

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Originally Posted by mr. benfield
do you think it matters if i snort it? if i take it orally, how long should i do it before the presentation? i was thinking like an hour and a half.

how much is a normal beta blocker dose? i have 40 mg tabs


Yes it does matter, because oral absorption of amphetamine is rather shitty and insufflated absorption is pretty good.

Snorting 20mg will feel like popping 30. It's just dumb to eat amps.

And there are a lot of beta blockers out there man, what KIND of beta blocker do you have? They don't share the same dose haha.
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Old 2008-12-10, 23:49
penguinjam penguinjam is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

anybody ever notice a difference between different beta blockers?

like say, non selective vs. selective vs. mixed adrenergic antagonists?

any reason to choose one over the other?
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Old 2008-12-11, 00:11
mr. benfield mr. benfield is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

the beta blocker is nadolol, i believe its non-selective.

well, you see, the problem is that i have to ingest the adderal 90 minutes before hand. i am going to be busy right up until the presentation. would that be too long for optimal peak effects?
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Old 2008-12-11, 00:13
thatcoolkid thatcoolkid is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

Just do it sober.. it's not like you won't be doing it more as life goes on, unless you get a job analyzing #s all day w/ little human contact.

Public speaking is a good skill to develop.
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Old 2008-12-11, 00:22
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NJ
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opiates make me amazing socially and not get pushed around. just saying.
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Old 2008-12-11, 00:52
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Connecticut
Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

amps and opes. or just one of the other. both give you the extra edge to say the shit you wouldn't normally say front stage [as opposed to thinking back stage]...
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Old 2008-12-11, 01:42
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

Depends on your tolerance so we can't really reccomend you a proper dose. Just take a low dose of the adderall oral or snorted, either way it's good. Then beta blockers to kill the adrenergic effects which would make you feel more anxious and jittery.
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Old 2008-12-11, 03:24
Kbasa Kbasa is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

adderall or alcohol always makes me confident/much more social.
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Old 2008-12-11, 09:27
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Yes it does matter, because oral absorption of amphetamine is rather shitty and insufflated absorption is pretty good.

Snorting 20mg will feel like popping 30. It's just dumb to eat amps.

And there are a lot of beta blockers out there man, what KIND of beta blocker do you have? They don't share the same dose haha.

Don't listen to this retarded, cunt. Eating will do just fine, just make sure you crush that shit up and parachute it. You don't want that nasty shit up your nose, so much damn filler. Leave that to the fiends.
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Old 2008-12-11, 09:30
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Durham, UK.
Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

Valium, or any benzo really.

Just think of it as being drunk and 'loose', but without being sloppy and not in control.
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Old 2008-12-11, 14:08
AstronomyDomine AstronomyDomine is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

If you're nervous about it already, using drugs to quell your feelings will probably lower the quality of your presentation and shift your focus more on the drug's affect on you rather than the content of your presentation. If I were you I'd just do it, then afterwards get really fucking high.
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Old 2008-12-11, 14:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kwerjack
opiates make me amazing socially and not get pushed around. just saying.


same here.
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Old 2008-12-11, 15:01
ShroomLove ShroomLove is offline
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Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

I would probably go with .5-2 mg of Clonazepam, or some shots of liquor (Bit more risky, you could embarrass yourself if you over-do it.) Adderall would be good too, but I would at least drink a bit of liquor or take some benzos with it, as it always makes me a bit more anxious. EEK!
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Old 2008-12-11, 15:38
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Long Island, NY
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Don't listen to this retarded, cunt. Eating will do just fine, just make sure you crush that shit up and parachute it. You don't want that nasty shit up your nose, so much damn filler. Leave that to the fiends.


Hey buddy, if you want to waste your drugs, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it...
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Old 2008-12-11, 20:05
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Hey buddy, if you want to waste your drugs, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it...

STFU/GTFO acolyte
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Old 2008-12-11, 21:01
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Originally Posted by parkus
Valium, or any benzo really.

Just think of it as being drunk and 'loose', but without being sloppy and not in control.


....why not make a habit of it and enjoy memory loss, rebound anxiety..... fucking A.
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Old 2008-12-11, 23:23
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Long Island, NY
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STFU/GTFO acolyte

Wow, I've been here since early 2005, and know more about pharmaceuticals than your pediatrician, you 16 year old dick. Not exactly acolyte material.

And FYI:

Pharmacokinetic data Bioavailabilty of amphetamine:
Oral 20–25%; nasal 75%; rectal 95–99%; intravenous 100%(Taken from HERE (http://www.chemeurope.com/lexikon/e/Amphetamine/))


Q'ED.

So, you fags CAN eat your amps, but you'd be getting around 2\3 less bang for your buck. Again, it's not gonna keep me up at night, I'm just throwing it out there. :D
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Old 2008-12-12, 05:57
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Euclid, Ohio
Default Re: drugs and anxiety/stage fright

Why do you think musicians always run into drug problems? Most drugs are gonna help them with performance/stage anxiety in their heads (and usually not in the actual performance).
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Old 2008-12-12, 09:02
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Edmonton
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Wow, I've been here since early 2005, and know more about pharmaceuticals than your pediatrician, you 16 year old dick. Not exactly acolyte material.

And FYI:
(Taken from HERE (http://www.chemeurope.com/lexikon/e/Amphetamine/))


Q'ED.

So, you fags CAN eat your amps, but you'd be getting around 2\3 less bang for your buck. Again, it's not gonna keep me up at night, I'm just throwing it out there. :D

I'd say it's worth it not to be sniffing salt.
 
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