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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-12-08, 22:43
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Suboxone and OCs
I took a little less than half of a suboxone about 3 hours ago. Why cant I mix OCs and Suboxone? Because the OCs wont work and will therefore be a waste, or because it is deadly or some shit?
And how long do I have to wait before I can take other opiates again?
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#2
 2008-12-08, 22:56
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Aces N 8S 
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
It wont be deadly, or even dangerous. But it will be a waste.
You cant mix other opiates with subs (buprenorephine) because bupe is a partial agonist and an antagonist. That means that it fills opioid receptor sites, which causes you to feel high, but it also blocks other opiates from filling those receptor sites.
So those other opiates will just sit in the synaptic cleft without doing anything until they are flushed back across the BBB and are metabolized away.
Also, if you have any opiates currently in your receptor sites when you take buperenorephine, it will rip those other opes out and put itself in there instead. This is why subs cause precipitated withdrawl if you are dependant and take them before you are already withdrawing.
The half life of buprenorephine is 32 hours.
That means that the amount in your system is reduced by half every 32 hours. So if you took 10mg, then after 32 hours there would be 5mg in your system. After another 32 hours there would be 2.5mg in your system. After another 32 hours there would be 1.25mg. etc etc..
So the longer you wait the less bupe there will be to bolck your OC, and given the price of oxy these days I would wait a long time to make sure that you get the most out of it.
So use the half life formula above and figure when there will be only 1-2mg of bupe left in your system and take it then. Or, if you're dependant, take it when you start feeling sick.
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#3
 2008-12-08, 23:30
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
So if I snorted half of a 60 on wednesday it should be almost normal right?
Also, is any of the half life shit affected by sublingual administration?
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#4
 2008-12-08, 23:41
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Aces N 8S 
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
So if I snorted half of a 60 on wednesday it should be almost normal right?
A 60 of what?
the biggest suboxone pills are 8mg.
You snorted 30mg of oxy on wednesday? Yeah you didnt waste any oc here. But you still cant take any more until the bupe is out of your system.
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#5
 2008-12-09, 04:25
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
A 60 of what?
the biggest suboxone pills are 8mg.
You snorted 30mg of oxy on wednesday? Yeah you didnt waste any oc here. But you still cant take any more until the bupe is out of your system.
No a sixty of Oxy. I did the Sub today which is monday, and was wondering if I do snort half of a sixty this coming wednesday if it would fuck up my high
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#6
 2008-12-09, 04:37
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Aces N 8S 
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
No a sixty of Oxy. I did the Sub today which is monday, and was wondering if I do snort half of a sixty this coming wednesday if it would fuck up my high
well, like i said it depends on how much bupe you took today. the more you have in your system the less effective the oxy will be.
But unless you took a lot of bupe you should be fine. Maybe not as high as you would normally get (again, depends on how much you took today) but i shouldnt be a total waste.
EDIT: and no, the ROA does not affect half life. especially for a long acting ope like bupe.
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#7
 2008-12-09, 04:46
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
yea you should be good to blow come wensday..
smart on waiting a day, +2.
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#8
 2008-12-09, 05:02
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
I took four mgs. I took half of the hexagon pill with the 8 and the cross. Baddest ass looking pill ever. I like those things, man. The high is different. My perception is way different on Suboxone than it is on other opiates.
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#9
 2008-12-09, 07:53
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penguinjam 
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Re: Suboxone and OCs
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Originally Posted by Aces N 8S
It wont be deadly, or even dangerous. But it will be a waste.
You cant mix other opiates with subs (buprenorephine) because bupe is a partial agonist and an antagonist. That means that it fills opioid receptor sites, which causes you to feel high, but it also blocks other opiates from filling those receptor sites.
So those other opiates will just sit in the synaptic cleft without doing anything until they are flushed back across the BBB and are metabolized away.
Also, if you have any opiates currently in your receptor sites when you take buperenorephine, it will rip those other opes out and put itself in there instead. This is why subs cause precipitated withdrawl if you are dependant and take them before you are already withdrawing.
The half life of buprenorephine is 32 hours.
That means that the amount in your system is reduced by half every 32 hours. So if you took 10mg, then after 32 hours there would be 5mg in your system. After another 32 hours there would be 2.5mg in your system. After another 32 hours there would be 1.25mg. etc etc..
So the longer you wait the less bupe there will be to bolck your OC, and given the price of oxy these days I would wait a long time to make sure that you get the most out of it.
So use the half life formula above and figure when there will be only 1-2mg of bupe left in your system and take it then. Or, if you're dependant, take it when you start feeling sick.
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not to mention any receptors not occupied by the bup will be occupied by the naloxone.
I took four mgs. I took half of the hexagon pill with the 8 and the cross. Baddest ass looking pill ever. I like those things, man. The high is different. My perception is way different on Suboxone than it is on other opiates.know what ya mean, man.
but I hate it when people try to sell it off as oc80's
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