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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-12-08, 14:46
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Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Epic fail...
I was just forced to watch an anti-drug presentation by this guy who knows jack shit about drugs. Fucking high school...
He started out like this: He took the stage, and told the assembly about his political background, which included but was not limited to, busting pedos. Afterwards he explained that he had no experience dealing with drugs as far as the law went, and had only a vague idea about the effects or differences between different kinds of drugs. Then he just flatly said, "drugs are bad," In which I added under my breath a nice "mm'kay.."
He was the kind of guy that lumps in weed and mostly harmless psychedelics with hardcore drugs like meth and heroin. He told us a story of a dude that started out smokin weed and drinking, and progressed to doing "5 bags of heroin ad day."
The dude in question is now in 3 years of prison for trying to rob a bank to get his fix.
Even worse, was that he told a story of "personal experience" in which some guy sold his sister's $1800 wedding ring for "some dope." He led us to believe that he sold it for marijuana, but realistically it was probably heroin.
At the end, he showed us actually a rather moving presentation about his 14 year old son who died of a drug overdoes. Here's the bad part: the kid died of a mixture of 2 valium pills, weed, and beer. He emphasized the weed part, saying just weed, some beer and valium, can kill you. Later he he emphasized the weed and beer part, leaving out the valium entirely.
...because everyone knows it's perfectly safe to mix alcohol and valium, but GOD FORBID you decide to smoke weed too!
My favorite part was the "dramatization" of the kid that got sent to jail. In the dramatization, he was smokin some weed and drinking at a pretty chill lookin party. Later they show some dudes snortin coke and doin some other drugs. The only thing they were missing was the hookers... and HEROIN.
Later the dude OD's and passes out due to an overdose which we are led to believe is just weed and beer. Epic fail. After that a fucking SWAT TEAM raids the party... LOL.
The whole assembly was flooded with anti drug propaganda, understandable.
Of course, they failed remind me of my favorite drug story. Two years ago, this senior at my school, we called him "Kuba" (I forget why) smoked weed every single day, and was widely known as the biggest pothead of the school. Did he drop out and fuck up his life? Nope, in fact, he graduated as valedictorian. Smoked weed every day and was top of the class.
I wish I could recall the whole outrageous assembly, but that's pretty much the gist of it.
So... anyone else want to rant? Maybe tell some real life drug stories, good or bad.
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#2
 2008-12-08, 15:14
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Valedictorian at my school was a major pothead too.
But yeah those assemblies are fucking stupid.
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#3
 2008-12-08, 18:48
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I lol hard when I read about the swat team raiding a house party, fuckin cracked me up.
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#4
 2008-12-08, 18:58
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I HATE running from swat after drinking a few harmless beers at a get together =[
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#5
 2008-12-08, 20:26
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Fucking DARE.  I could not sit through a day of that shit in 5th grade without being in total fear of everything they told me. The first few months of legitimate self-education about drugs I was getting stomach spasms every time I opened erowid.  It was child abuse, plain and simple.
Funny story: We were watching a video where a guy was sitting on the street with his hand stretched out saying in a really slow and raspy voice: "acid, I need acid". :) Now it's lolz, but then it was sheer terror. My sister will be going through drug education next week, but I've already given her the vaccine. :)
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#6
 2008-12-08, 20:56
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
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Originally Posted by Happy_Hobo
I lol hard when I read about the swat team raiding a house party, fuckin cracked me up.
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Actually it was narco but they were armed like SWAT, it was pretty lulzy.
Funny story: We were watching a video where a guy was sitting on the street with his hand stretched out saying in a really slow and raspy voice: "acid, I need acid". :)
I HATE THAT! The overly common misconception that you can get addicted to psychedelics. Most people get the shit scared out of them from shit like that, much less get addicted lol.
I don't have a problem with anti-drug propaganda per-se, (we of course don't want more meth and crack heads running around), but the propaganda is always so horribly wrong it's pathetic. The people in the drug enforcement divisions need to educate themselves a lot better.
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#7
 2008-12-08, 22:10
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
The people in the drug enforcement divisions need to educate themselves a lot better.
Education spurs liberalism. Kids need a dichotomy, "some drugs are bad" is not nearly as effective as "stay away from all substances your parents don't approve of".
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#8
 2008-12-08, 22:21
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Lol I had a presentation similar to yours, where a bald guy came into the gym and talked about drugs and kept saying "weed is addictive" and told us how he used to smoke 20 joints a day
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#9
 2008-12-08, 22:39
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/images/comic01.gif
http://www.justthinktwice.com/images/pic_fatcat.jpg
http://www.justthinktwice.com/images/pic_prohibition.jpg
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/images/baked_blogger.gif
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#10
 2008-12-08, 22:59
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
ahhahahaha
"wait till my blogger buddies find out how stoned i got last night"
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#11
 2008-12-08, 23:13
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
You should of put a styrofoam penis around some cheap r/c helicopter and flown it around as long as possible.
p.s. where do you live? here where I live DARE is never given that much oppurtunity to spread that bullshit.
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#12
 2008-12-08, 23:21
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
http://www.justthinktwice.com/images/pic_fatcat.jpg
This is the case with all luxury industries. It's most evident with cars, actually.
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#13
 2008-12-09, 00:05
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
If you look at who funds most anti-drug organizations, you can usually find alcohol manufacturers in it. We had an anti-drug assembly here once that was sponsered by Anheiser-Busch. I shit you not.
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#14
 2008-12-09, 00:43
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
The drug education in the UK has been fairly unbiased in my experience. The TalkToFrank campaign that cropped up 4/5 years ago has a fairly good website and back at school the people who came in to talk to us didn't seem to exaggerate too much - with exception to the usual gateway drugs rant.
Even back then, the emphasis seemed to be on harm reduction rather than just saying 'never do anything, ever'.
There did, however, lack much mention of legal meds though they weren't and pretty much still aren't that commonly used recreationally in my experience.
The anti-smoking propaganda was far more severe and arguably rightfully so.
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#15
 2008-12-09, 01:08
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I'm gonna get a DARE bumper sticker for my car. Then I'll slap a PRO-HEMP sticker right next to it and reapply my "Support Legalization" weed magnetic ribbon.
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#16
 2008-12-09, 01:48
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
a local police officer, director of public safety or something, came in and spoke to our health class. Chill guy, pretty reasonable actually. Then marijuana decriminilization came up and he said "id support it if there was something like a breathilyzer to test how intoxicated a driver is". lulz
I'm gonna get a DARE bumper sticker for my car.
In Never Get Busted he says you shouldnt put DARE stickers on your car or stuff like that cuz the cops profile ppl with those things.
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#17
 2008-12-09, 02:21
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
in Never Get Busted he says you shouldnt put DARE stickers on your car or stuff like that cuz the cops profile ppl with those things.
I don't see how that makes sense. It might be right for all I know but I can't see the logic behind it.
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#18
 2008-12-09, 02:39
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
In Never Get Busted he says you [b[shouldnt[/b] put DARE stickers on your car or stuff like that cuz the cops profile ppl with those things.
GTFO, that makes no sense.
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#19
 2008-12-09, 02:52
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I don't see how that makes sense. It might be right for all I know but I can't see the logic behind it.
Really? Well what are you referring to, the question of why you would put a DARE sticker on your bumper if you did do drugs, or the reason why cops would profile based on that?
If its that latter, then I can only assume the police reason that if you have a DARE sticker (Cmon, who puts one of those shitty stickers on their bumper?), you are very possibly using it in an attempt to disassociate yourself from drug use, which you may or may not genuinely condone. :)
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#20
 2008-12-09, 03:41
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Really? Well what are you referring to, the question of why you would put a DARE sticker on your bumper if you did do drugs, or the reason why cops would profile based on that?
If its that latter, then I can only assume the police reason that if you have a DARE sticker (Cmon, who puts one of those shitty stickers on their bumper?), you are very possibly using it in an attempt to disassociate yourself from drug use, which you may or may not genuinely condone. :)
This still doesn't make sense. I'm gonna have a 2 pro marijuana bumper stickers right next to it, I guess that means I'll be mega profiled. Oops..
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#21
 2008-12-09, 03:46
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I don't see how that makes sense. It might be right for all I know but I can't see the logic behind it.
There are only two kinds of people who buy and use DARE bumper stickers: drug users exploiting the irony, and MILF soccer moms.
Either way, a po-po gotta know.
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#22
 2008-12-09, 04:21
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
There are only two kinds of people who buy and use DARE bumper stickers: drug users exploiting the irony, and MILF soccer moms.
Either way, a po-po gotta know.
Hehe. All right, I just didn't think they'd be that intelligent to take the concept to 2 iterations 
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#23
 2008-12-09, 04:21
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
A friend of mine still fits into his DARE shirt from 5th grade, (he's a senior lol, must've gotten a size large way back then), and he wears it to smoke weed in.
It's pretty funny seeing him in it, because everyone knows he's a stoner.
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#24
 2008-12-09, 04:37
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
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Originally Posted by SLice_760
A friend of mine still fits into his DARE shirt from 5th grade, (he's a senior lol, must've gotten a size large way back then), and he wears it to smoke weed in.
It's pretty funny seeing him in it, because everyone knows he's a stoner.
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Those shirts were the identification for dealers at my high school.
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#25
 2008-12-09, 04:47
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I saw some dick selling Dare tshirts outside a kroger and talking to old ladies, so I asked, what do I have to do to get me one of those shirts?
Ten bucks he says.
Fuck that, I can get a dime for that.
And just walked away cackling.
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#26
 2008-12-09, 07:39
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
^that is win
in fifth grade, I remember our school (had 80 people, btw) had a fucking helicopter come and land in the school field. a fucking helicopter!
then the pilot got out and gave us talk how drugs are bad, said something about how her co-pilot lost his pilot's license cuz a teh drugz.
don't really remember too much, that was a long ass time ago, except the helicopter. that was the only part I paid any attention too, cause I thought it was sweet. then the pilot let us go inside it, and that was pretty cool.
but back then I pretty much believed all the drugs are bad shit, cause I didn't know any better, so... that's about it.
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#27
 2008-12-09, 08:13
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Deal with it and shut the fuck up.
Learn to not let this bullshit bother you.
Never try to teach/question unreceptive/ignorant people.
Take it as a lesson in life's bullshit. And know when to hold your tongue.
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#28
 2008-12-09, 15:52
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
This still doesn't make sense. I'm gonna have a 2 pro marijuana bumper stickers right next to it, I guess that means I'll be mega profiled. Oops..
You must be pretty dim then.
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#29
 2008-12-09, 16:22
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
In Never Get Busted he says you shouldnt put DARE stickers on your car or stuff like that cuz the cops profile ppl with those things.
yea, but hes reffering to people who smuggle marijuana, not really potheads.
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#30
 2008-12-09, 16:43
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
http://www.justthinktwice.com/images/pic_fatcat.jpg
Wait.. so when is this not the case.. for any industry??
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#31
 2008-12-09, 21:29
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
I don't see how that makes sense. It might be right for all I know but I can't see the logic behind it.
Think about the people who wear DARE shirts, all the ones i know are stoners. I was watchin a documentary on marijuana and they showed a medical marijuana place and the girl working there was wearing a DARE shirt, pretty funny.
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#32
 2008-12-10, 01:43
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/rx_pot_01.htm
I lol'd.
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#33
 2008-12-10, 01:55
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
"Teens who have used marijuana are four times more likely to have been pregnant or to have gotten someone pregnant than teens who have never smoked pot. And then there’s HIV/AIDS. learn more ยป"
HAHAHAHAHAH
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/totally_lame_02.htm
this is the funniest part of my day by so much. :)
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#34
 2008-12-10, 02:01
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
DISCLAIMER:if you read this than you will automatically want to kill someone IE the author. You've been warned. This post is a gateway to MURDER!!!1211
"The truth is, maybe it's time for us to be a little scared. Marijuana is not a harmless drug.
Thursday
Marijuana: A Bad Choice
I come from a fairly small yet diversified city in Southern Illinois. I'm finishing up my final semester in high school, and like many seniors, I'm practically counting down the days to graduation. (AFTER I LEAVE) I won't have my parents calling me asking me why I'm late, or having to worry about calling them when I leave somewhere to go somewhere else. When there are fewer consequences, and less chances of getting in trouble, I think that in general people are willing to do a lot more things.
This generalization I've made, about people willing to do more things when there are fewer consequences, I believe also holds true for this concept of legalization of marijuana. The problem is, is that many of us are willing to believe false information about how marijuana is harmless, how its not as bad for us as some of the other drugs, and probably the biggest one of all, how everyone is doing it.
I know that several of you think what I'm about to tell you is a huge exaggeration, that I'm just trying to scare you. I understand, I used to think that the situation may have been over-dramatized to scare people. The truth is, maybe it's time for us to be a little scared. Marijuana is not a harmless drug. The use of marijuana has been linked to all kinds of dangerous damage in our bodies, especially teenagers. Use of marijuana, before the brain is fully developed, can cause an enormous amount of damage to the brain, and nerves connected to the brain. Marijuana has also been shown to cause mental diseases. Also, marijuana is extremely addictive. Many teens do not realize how addictive it is until its too late for them to quit on their own. Over half the teenagers in drug rehab today are there because of marijuana addictions. Many of us want to believe that marijuana is not as bad as crack, meth, LSD, and countless other illicit drugs, but in many cases the people who are on crack and meth started with marijuana. "
DISCLAIMER:if you read this than you will automatically want to kill someone IE the author
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#35
 2008-12-10, 02:17
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
...because everyone knows it's perfectly safe to mix alcohol and valium, but GOD FORBID you decide to smoke weed too!
I did this Friday. I'm also missing memories of 90% of that day. But irregardless...
Fuck this misinformation craze in today's drug education.
Because parents can't be fucked to be honest to their kids, (and probably admit that they've tried drugs themselves) we get these "experts" who deliberately lie to a bunch of impressionable kids so that they can grow up passively accepting that whatever the government deems "OK" to put in their body is perfectly safe.
At least, that's how it was for me, fresh out of D.A.R.E. in 4th grade. People who smoked cigarettes and drank were horrible, but OHMIJESUS weed was basically THE menace of society. I remember my booklet dedicating an entire chapter to weed, but mentioning hard drugs in two paragraphs. And I don't even remember anything about hallucinogens.
This was also during the late 90's/early 00's inhalant fad, and they told us everything that we could possibly huff and get high off of. This probably led at least some kids to the hospital, because I had never heard of huffing glue to get fucked up.
Shit, I had to wait till I had already tried weed before my dad admitted his own sordid past (way worse than my own experiences) and told me the truth about lots of drugs. I was 13.
They play it out as if some shady guy in a trenchcoat will randomly approach some young kids and sell them smack in some dark alley, but when I wanted shit, I had to LOOK for it! This stereotype that all drug dealers are greasy pushers pisses me off to no end. I have yet to meet anyone who REMOTELY resembles the classic "pusher" image.
But hey, the most I can do is educate my future kids, and let them make their own choices. Hopefully, I'll influence them in a safe direction.
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#36
 2008-12-10, 02:55
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
You must be pretty dim then.
Ohhh, come on now...
Anyway, I watched this meth documentary today. The narrator's opening statement was something like, "meth is spreading quickly like a disease. meth knows no borders."
Well no shit. I don't expect inanimate objects to know anything about borders between countries and states. I thought it was slightly humorous, but that's just me.
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#37
 2008-12-10, 04:07
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
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Originally Posted by hypno
DISCLAIMER:if you read this than you will automatically want to kill someone IE the author. You've been warned. This post is a gateway to MURDER!!!1211
"The truth is, maybe it's time for us to be a little scared. Marijuana is not a harmless drug.
Thursday
Marijuana: A Bad Choice
I come from a fairly small yet diversified city in Southern Illinois. I'm finishing up my final semester in high school, and like many seniors, I'm practically counting down the days to graduation. (AFTER I LEAVE) I won't have my parents calling me asking me why I'm late, or having to worry about calling them when I leave somewhere to go somewhere else. When there are fewer consequences, and less chances of getting in trouble, I think that in general people are willing to do a lot more things.
This generalization I've made, about people willing to do more things when there are fewer consequences, I believe also holds true for this concept of legalization of marijuana. The problem is, is that many of us are willing to believe false information about how marijuana is harmless, how its not as bad for us as some of the other drugs, and probably the biggest one of all, how everyone is doing it.
I know that several of you think what I'm about to tell you is a huge exaggeration, that I'm just trying to scare you. I understand, I used to think that the situation may have been over-dramatized to scare people. The truth is, maybe it's time for us to be a little scared. Marijuana is not a harmless drug. The use of marijuana has been linked to all kinds of dangerous damage in our bodies, especially teenagers. Use of marijuana, before the brain is fully developed, can cause an enormous amount of damage to the brain, and nerves connected to the brain. Marijuana has also been shown to cause mental diseases. Also, marijuana is extremely addictive. Many teens do not realize how addictive it is until its too late for them to quit on their own. Over half the teenagers in drug rehab today are there because of marijuana addictions. Many of us want to believe that marijuana is not as bad as crack, meth, LSD, and countless other illicit drugs, but in many cases the people who are on crack and meth started with marijuana. "
DISCLAIMER:if you read this than you will automatically want to kill someone IE the author
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Nah man, this is how it was sold to all of us. Makes you wonder what other invisible chains we're wearing. What unquestionable societal dogma next? Sex? Crime? Power structures? Capitalism?
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#38
 2008-12-10, 04:20
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Wait.. so when is this not the case.. for any industry??
clearly you didn't see the scary face and the red lettering.
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#39
 2008-12-10, 04:27
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
Nah man, this is how it was sold to all of us. Makes you wonder what other invisible chains we're wearing. What unquestionable societal dogma next? Sex? Crime? Power structures? Capitalism?
Do we have votes for post of the year? If so, I think this one really deserves to win.
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#40
 2008-12-10, 05:22
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
What i think is funny is that weed actually led me to try speed, acid, drinking, pills, opiates, etc, but we all say the gateway thing is bs.
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#41
 2008-12-10, 06:56
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Re: Scholastic anti-drug presentations
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What i think is funny is that weed actually led me to try speed, acid, drinking, pills, opiates, etc, but we all say the gateway thing is bs.
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Truth.
Once you break the seal of using one drug the others don't seem so bad. Every drug I said I'd never use I've gone on to use it at least once.
Plus this whole thing about weed being a harmless drug is bullshit. Of course millions and millions of people use it with ZERO adverse affects. However I know a handful of people who for them weed might as well be heroin. My friend (24 lives with mom, stuck in dead end minimum wage job) is 100% incapable of quitting. If his life was a line graph it would dive at the very moment he started smoking weed regularly.
I smoked weed myself for 2-3 years habitually but realized that I was unable to motivate myself or further my own life because I was stoned all the time.
This of course is only true for very few people. Most people can smoke weed once or twice a day, week, month whatever and be just fine and completely successful. However for some it becomes a problem just like anything else can become a problem (food, sex, religion, caffeine, alcohol...etc) It's just ignorant to say that weed is 100% harmless for everyone. Perhaps the drug it's self doesn't hurt you in any physical way but the affects on some peoples lifestyles are disastrous.
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