well thats a pretty stupid generalization...

The reason for the generalization is because the whole idea of not using a roach is completly new to me. I've only heard of Americans not using them.

up here we call it a crutch, usually made with strips torn from a pack of papers. it keeps the mouth open.

Usually when I'm rolling a blunt I won't use them, but there are times when I will. But, usually when I roll joints just to give it a more stable feeling and so I can smoke ALL the weed.

Yeah, no shit lol. I knew a few european chicks though, and they wouldn't even smoke a joint unless it was wrinkleless and with a roach, like in that perfect cone shape. Wtf??
That's how I smoke 'em. It probably has something to do with hash again, if you roll a loose joint of hash those fucking hot rock will get all over ya and they burn like no one's business.

It's just a show of the general etiquette and manners of europeans... but why the need for such class just smoke your fucking weed...

Everyone I've ever seen in the UK and Holland have always used roaches. Its nice not getting bits of baccy and green in my mouth.

i think only pot noobs dont use em.

Or noobs who can't roll a decently packed blunt use em. Either way, ive used em and haven't. Depends on whos packin.

That's a (nearly) $65 eighth! You crazy shit boy!

wow, i read like 2 pages of this bullshit, i cant believe how many of you are retards.

who the fuck puts cardboard in their joints? and youre ragging on people who dont?

cmon man if you cant roll a joint with no filter that doesnt smoke good then you simply cant roll for shit.

i never use filters, for joints, blunts, whatever.....and guess what, no problems with getting weed in my mouth.



the only benefit i can see, is if you wanna smoke on the go and have no evidence, then you can smoke all the weed in the joint and throw out the filter.

but otherwise, this is another one of those stupid ass ideas that you eurofags come up with.

What is this, the fifth time this week we've had this debate? Pretty soon we'll need an official thread.

I predict the U.S. and Europe will go to war in the future over the inclusion of cardboard roaches.

That's because you're shit at rolling.

I haven't had a joint sideburn for a long long time, it's all in how good you are at rolling.

Fuck you, I'm a good roller, I said every CONE joint I make sucks, my normal ones are fine. I however prefer rolling blunts and I am pretty much a pro at that. I've been rolling joints for years I think I know what the fuck I'm doing you stupid euro fuck. I wish you came to america so I could kill you with my fully automatic assault rifle since you guys overseas are too pussy to get guns.

Fuck you, I'm a good roller, I said every CONE joint I make sucks, my normal ones are fine. I however prefer rolling blunts and I am pretty much a pro at that. I've been rolling joints for years I think I know what the fuck I'm doing you stupid euro fuck. I wish you came to america so I could kill you with my fully automatic assault rifle since you guys overseas are too pussy to get guns.

I can guarantee I can roll blunts, joints, cigs, whatever better than you can.

I wish you came to England so you didn't have to pussy out behind guns and fight a man eye to eye. Guarantee you'd lose at that as well.

Take away your guns and all you are is a big pansy.

I'm the only one in all my groups of friends who uses a cardboard roach, just because its easier to roll that way for me. My friends generally like it because it doesnt get messed up if somebody nigger lips and it's a little bit smoother. Most people here just save not cardboard roachies for iso hash.

On the other hand I have never seen blunts in Europe or surrounding areas. I always show people how to roll them and they generally like it much more

Do all europeans sound like prissy faggots, or just you?

I can guarantee I can roll blunts, joints, cigs, whatever better than you can.

Oh and you know this for a fact? You've seen one of my joints and one of my blunts before? Wow you are so superior in every way because you know its true before you've ever seen how I can roll.

Oh and this.

Do all europeans sound like prissy faggots, or just you?

some of us just want to get high fuck that extra cardboard shit

Saved roaches (end of joint without cardboard) are pretty shitty when the weed is shitty. Otherwise they're glorious.

Oh and you know this for a fact? You've seen one of my joints and one of my blunts before?

No but you said your joints sideburn, so you must be shit at rolling.

You are wrong. If it is convenient to use a roach we go for it, if it is too much out of the way (rarely is) we don't do it. Same as you people.

Yeah, I can roll perfect joints but I'm not usually going to try to make them look pretty and fancy. I just want to smoke them, not show them to people. Btw, english people suck at fighting. I remember what one english soldier wrote about the americans when we came to save their asses, something like "The americans are so much bigger and taller" it was like he had a crush on them or something for saving his ass, and I'm guessing reject is pretty small. reject talks a lot of smack on the internet but he's probably just unattractive and puny in real life.

I on the other hand, would never need a gun for someone like reject. I'm bigger and stronger and faster than 99% of totse. Which doesn't say much I guess, considering most of totse is probably teens. But still, if I could type in all caps so that I'd look more impressive when I e fight, I would. Sometimes I wouldn't mind shooting people like reject though when I'm in a bad mood.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

*breathes*

hahahahahahahahahaha

*breathes*

hahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, random number faggot made me laugh.

random number faggot

Butt-hurt much?

No but you said your joints sideburn, so you must be shit at rolling.

I said if I try a CONE joint. Do I really have to repeat myself that many times?? Thats why I dont roll cone joints. I roll even cylindrical joints that don't run.

I wish you came to England so you didn't have to pussy out behind guns and fight a man eye to eye. Guarantee you'd lose at that as well.

Take away your guns and all you are is a big pansy.
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I said if I try a CONE joint. Do I really have to repeat myself that many times?? Thats why I dont roll cone joints. I roll even cylindrical joints that don't run.

So you can't roll a joint, all you can roll is a cigarette with weed instead of tobacco?

Well congratulations.

So you can't roll a joint, all you can roll is a cigarette with weed instead of tobacco?

Well congratulations.

Rolling paper + weed = joint

Rolling paper + tobacco = cigarette

Dooood, who gives a fuck?!

The preference of the use of the roach/crutch knows no borders. Europeans use 'em, Americans use 'em. Maybe it's less common in the States but it's purely cultural. As an American I have zero preference either way I just don't incorporate cardboard into my rolling technique because a) I have never learned how, b) I am lazy, and c) it makes no difference to the quality of either the smoking experience or the high itself.

Furthermore, I feel it is pertinent to note that the use of the roach/crutch is not common in South America, which comprises a large proportion of the smokers in the Western hemisphere. And the absurd scarcity of resources in Africa leads me to believe that they do not use roaches/crutches there either.

You guys are just silly.

Seriously....

Your preference doesn't make you a pussy.

Personally, I just go without. I fold in the ends of my paper (boat style) and if rolled properly, I don't really see the need for a crutch. If you don't nigger lip the shit, I don't think its needed.

Same thing goes for the weed+tobacco thing. Some like it, some don't. I prefer to smoke a joint with no tobacco and smoke a cig afterwards. If you feel the need to do both at the same time, feel free.

You people need to stop giving everyone shit for doing things differently than you. It really doesn't fucking matter.

I love how reject tries to come into every thread mentioning the United States and make it seem like he's a tough guy.

Anyone wanna guess how much he weighs? I'm putting a note on him being under 100 pounds.

154lbs actually.

Also I was wandering how long it'd take totse's biggest failtroll to turn up.

154lbs actually.

Also I was wandering how long it'd take totse's biggest failtroll to turn up.

Haha, I hope you're under 5 10.

I'm also not a troll, you however.

i smoke alone most of the time so i use a roach.

I find that the filter filling in the gap at the end means theres less air travelling through the joint, so it doesnt burn as fast.

To me the perfect joint has to burn slowly and only go hard when you puff it hard.

Because i smoke by myself i like to take my time with it and take mostly moderate tokes, because if i take a massive one the joint will burn really fast when im not hitting it (depending on how well it is made).

so to me the perfect joint doesnt burn much if at all when its not being toked, but will still amber/cherry a bit so that its not neccacary to re-ignite it.

thats why a roach is good.

Haha, I hope you're under 5 10.

I'm also not a troll, you however.

5'11"

I know you're not a troll, but you try your hardest to be one. Maybe one day you will join the ranks of the totse trolls, but as of today you suck too much. You're just a joke.

5'11"

I know you're not a troll, but you try your hardest to be one. Maybe one day you will join the ranks of the totse trolls, but as of today you suck too much. You're just a joke.

Somehow all I can muster up is an eyeroll.

So here it is,

just to clarify, if you roll your weed with tobacco you fucked up or someone is playing a prank on you
we smoke cigarillos around here, the tip is coned off a little bit so it catches any rogue weed chunks so you dont have to find a piece of cardboard or waste any extra time. they also sell a little thing called an e-z split that opens the blunt up perfectly in .5 seconds.. west side lulz
http://www.brighampipes.com/phillies%20cigarillo%20flavours.jpg
you get about 3 decent rillo's out of an eighth if its brick or about 5 if its that kush/dank/dro(whatever you call headies)

That's because you're shit at rolling.

I haven't had a joint sideburn for a long long time, it's all in how good you are at rolling.

try rolling a fat joint like this in a cone.
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this is a what a proper american joint looks like
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/poofeek/0320081049.jpg

We do it for new smokers in our group... because they tend to nigger lip the motherfucker and crush the end down...

If you roll it properly and hit it right, you should be able to pass it around to 30 people and not get spit on the blunt, not crush the end down, and not suck any weed through.... given that those 30 people aren't retards.

and why wouldnt we? because were damn ignint yanks?
our blunts are always rolled strong, crutch included.

A roach is a spent joint,\
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The cardboard piece people use as a\ filter is called a Crutch.\
A roach is not a crutch \
Get you terminology straight./
End of thread.

try rolling a fat joint like this in a cone.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/poofeek/1202080037.jpg

this is a what a proper american joint looks like
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/poofeek/0320081049.jpg

Both of those look like pieces of shit.

Seriously how creased do you want the first one to be.

Not to mention both of them look like realllllllly thick and nasty papers.

Only in America and maybe Canada. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You're a fucking idiot.

caedboard roaches

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Both of those look like pieces of shit.

Seriously how creased do you want the first one to be.

Not to mention both of them look like realllllllly thick and nasty papers.

you try rolling an eight a joint and see how it comes out, pussy.
the second one is made using ez wider, cause its the only thing I had at the time.

5'11"

I know you're not a troll, but you try your hardest to be one. Maybe one day you will join the ranks of the totse trolls, but as of today you suck too much. You're just a joke.

Being 5'11" and 154 lbs, you really should not be saying to the world that you would beat them in a fight. I dont care how in shape you are, you are not very muscular at all. And I know this because I have almost those exact same figures as well.

*Waits for someone to bitch about me being a new arrival*

Being 5'11" and 154 lbs, you really should not be saying to the world that you would beat them in a fight. I dont care how in shape you are, you are not very muscular at all. And I know this because I have almost those exact same figures as well.

*Waits for someone to bitch about me being a new arrival*

It's called a chip on the shoulder.. reject has a chip on his shoulder, and you don't seem to so you wouldn't really understand that he feels inferior and stuff. He feels that to make up for the fact that he's a puny chav with no life, he has to try to look badass in an internet forum.

That picture was pretty funny too. I'm actually 6'4 and 225 but not into lifting. Never did much lifting but 154 pounds is nothing. I could throw reject so far and throw him through the wall like a dart and I imagine if I did this he'd scream like a rodent "eeeeeeeeeeee" LOOLOL he'd go so far if I punched him. I'd just choke him and shake him to death if he tried to fight me without a weapon. And if no one believes me, I have a webcam. I'm also most likely a lot better looking than reject.

I would love to get my hands on him while he's sitting there talking shit to people with his computer.

no you guys just dont get reject, he's just a bit of an asshole. there isnt really too much to it.

Only in America and maybe Canada. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR You're a fucking idiot.

No apparently you and Europeans are.

A roach is called a roach cus it looks like one.

http://www.cofc.edu/~jonesl/roach.gif

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/2868784665_2af1f22e56.jpg?v=0

dur der dar so does it make sense to your lil under developed brain perhaps?


Have a great day an have fun smoking card board "Crutches" peon.

you try rolling an eight a joint and see how it comes out, pussy.
the second one is made using ez wider, cause its the only thing I had at the time.

wow, get a little defensive there bud? hes a guy on an online forum talking trash on your not to bad looking rolls, get over it. but really man, an 1/8th in a joint is cool but why not put it in a blunt? ive rolled 1/8ths into 1.5 wraps and its always more of a hassle than just pinching up a nice grape blunt.

I been smoking for a better part of 10 years, and I've only used them a couple times. I use them sometimes even now when I have some good-good pot and don't wanna throw away a "roach" while out, and sometimes if it doesn't resin up a hole lot i'll just leave the end of the joint empty, smoke it down, works if you can keep it clear...


but yeah...

Well i live in europe, and in all my life i never saw anyone rolling joints without a bit of cardboard or a cigarette filter. But that is mostly because 95 % of the time you only get hashish, unless its october/november or you plant it yourself. Try rolling a hash joint withount mouthpiece and you'll see.

joints are a waste of weed

You're a waste of weed.

I don't really like joints. I've only seen one person roll with a crutch and he was my douchebag roommate freshman year of college.

And also wtf does a crease in a joint have to do with quality. I think quality relies more on how it smokes and how long it lasts, rather than how it looks. I would rather smoke something that is not aesthetically good, but hits hard and lasts long, But i mean hey if you would rather be concerned with appearance rather than getting higher, than you are a ego-centric douche elitist, fucking christ.

you niggers are tripping

a joint is a joint

a tasty paper vessel of weed

whether or not it has a piece of cardboard paper in it is an argument for pedants

just smoke your weed boys

it's roasting

lol nigga

I live in South Dakota so my experience could just be an oddity but I've only encountered a cardboard roach once. I think it makes the jay taste worse.

Being 5'11" and 154 lbs, you really should not be saying to the world that you would beat them in a fight. I dont care how in shape you are, you are not very muscular at all. And I know this because I have almost those exact same figures as well.

*Waits for someone to bitch about me being a new arrival*

Yeah reject is small as fuck. I'm only 5'7" but I weigh 140 pounds so I'm not underweight, I'm just a small guy. I dont talk shit on the internet.

Being 6 foot 2 and slightly over 200 pounds, it's safe to say I'd own most of you faggots.

Reinvent yourself...

Anyway I know my last post got lost in the pages of uselessness so, again, putting cardboard in your blunt is retarded.

I wanna have a private wrestling match with reject in his room. English accents are so cute.


Reinvent yourself...

Anyway I know my last post got lost in the pages of uselessness so, again, putting cardboard in your blunt is retarded. Seems like cardboard would taste bad. If anyone says anything about the weed overpowering the cardboard taste it's still going to taste like it initially. Cardboard has a nasty smell and taste so sucking on a joint with cardboard in it would be nasty.

Cardboard is awesome and has many cool uses but not in joints.

I wanna have a private wrestling match with reject in his room. English accents are so cute.


Seems like cardboard would taste bad. If anyone says anything about the weed overpowering the cardboard taste it's still going to taste like it initially. Cardboard has a nasty smell and taste so sucking on a joint with cardboard in it would be nasty.

Cardboard is awesome and has many cool uses but not in joints.

Not once have I toked a joint with a filter in it and tasted the card. That only happens if you're an idiot and keep smoking it until the filter starts to burn.

Not once have I toked a joint with a filter in it and tasted the card. That only happens if you're an idiot and keep smoking it until the filter starts to burn.

Ha.

Hahahahahaha did he think you smoke the cardboard?

Oh well, at least yanks are always good to laugh at.

Just when you think they can't get any stupider...........

Not once have I toked a joint with a filter in it and tasted the card. That only happens if you're an idiot and keep smoking it until the filter starts to burn.

I'm not talking about the burning of the cardboard, I wouldn't ever get that far with it if I knew it had cardboard in it, I wouldn't even smoke one with cardboard.

If I were to suck on the joint without even lighting it, I know I'd taste the cardboard, which is a nasty smell/taste. Adding cardboard seems pretty silly to me. Like something 15 year old wiggers would do. The cardboard serves no real purpose other than to make you feel fancy.

Ha.

Hahahahahaha did he think you smoke the cardboard?

Oh well, at least yanks are always good to laugh at.

Just when you think they can't get any stupider...........

Fucking Christ, you stupid Brits actually thought he meant burning the cardboard?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

Just when you think the US is the stupidest nation on Earth, you get a nice little tea drinking surprise.

Yeah you'd have to be a dumbass to smoke to cardboard. Give it to some 14 year old and be like 'dude that will get you so high because of the resin dude!' and watch him cough and suffer.

i think only pot noobs dont use em.

been smoking for like ten years and i've never used a piece of cardboard in the end of my joint. i don't understand the point of it, unless you mean like you're gonna suck some through, but that's why you just learn how to roll instead.

ive never smoked a joint without a roach, wouldnt your mouth make the skin wet and all awkward for takin a draw?

It's easy not to get a roach wet...if you do that in the US, you're considered a pot noob and you WILL be made fun of.

y are your lips alyays wet?

i do this but alot of people will be all wtf if its in a joint nota fat blunt
it makes it smoke good fat ass hits

watch your fucking mouth

Lulz! Watch out, HE KNOWS KARATE!

To get back to the subject, when I visited Scotland and we smoked with friends, all they had was *coughsoapbar hash, and they rolled spliffs with roaches in the end. I wasn't about to shit on their hospitality but was was thinking "Ech, just get a fucking pipe!" I smoked cigarettes at the time, so it wasn't that I was against tobacco, it's just sort of a gross idea to mix them to me. Hash cone w/ weed ftw.

What is with you euro-fags putting all this extra shit in with your weed? In America, we tend to roll blunts and joints that don't have gaping holes that send weed flying into your mouth. A roach is fucking useless. And even if you smoke tobacco, mixing it with weed is fucking dumb.

Furthermore, how is a european gonna tell me how to smoke weed? America gets better quality weed (and pretty much every other drug) than your shitheel country.

Just because they do it differently doesn't make them "Eurofags." It's just different...worse, but in the end just different

This has long since been subject of great controversy. But in reality, there's no real conflict about it.

Most europeans, it's true, not only put a piece of cardboard in the end of the joints as to 'filter' the smoke, but most insist on also putting copious amounts of disgusting, addicting, cardiovascularly irritating, and potentially deadly tobacco in their 'spliffs' as well.

All Americans that I have known do not do any such thing, they create their joints free of cardboard, and free of tobacco. This has several benefits which I am sure have already been stated.

A.) Lack of cardboard makes it so that if you are in scarce supply of weed and you intend on smoking it to its full potential, you will not risk inhaling unwanted cardboard smoke. Albeit, whatever small amount of filtration that is provided from the cardboard is then lost. Whatever structural support it may add can be easily compensated by a competent joint roller. A 'roach' devoid of cardboard is also easily salvaged and smoked later as well. Call this fiendish or desperate but hundreds if not thousands of people do it I am sure.

B.) Lack of tobacco makes the taste of a joint far more enjoyable. Tobacco smoke is much different than that of good quality cannabis. To somebody who does not smoke tobacco, (which there certainly will be usually at least one in any circle) a puff of tobacco can be not only extremely distasteful, but after smoking the entire 'spliff' nausea can be common. This is inconsiderate for all those of us who do not enjoy smoking unpsychotropic and poisonous substances such as tobacco.

I also come from a region with extremely inflated marijuana prices. So socio-economic factors are irrelevant in this argument.

To the douches above me:

Joints with tobacco taste sooooooooo much nicer than just plain joints.

And the high is different because you have the nicotine, and the high is much nicer as well.

Furthermore, how is a european gonna tell me how to smoke weed? America gets better quality weed (and pretty much every other drug) than your shitheel country.
Europe is a country now? :o

If you don't smoke tobacco, then yeah you might get a little 'high' if by high you mean light headed and slightly nauseas. The nicotine 'high' is so shortlived, trivial and unsatisfying. You can easily achieve an equivalent feeling by huffing some kind of toxin, which might taste about as good.

Speaking of which if you really think that they taste 'sooooooooo' much better with tobacco in them then I really pity you, because even the absolute worse marijuana I've smoked tasted at least slightly better than tobacco, that makes me think you must be smoking some of the worst weed in the world.

Joints with tobacco taste sooooooooo much nicer than just plain joints.

The tobacco makes the smoke so much harsher, harder to hold hits and take many in a row. If anything tobacco ruins a joint. Good marijuana smoke > the best tobacco ever cured.

I usually don't like putting tobacco in my joints, but I do it sometimes. I never really notice that much of a taste, and it helps the joint burn slower and smoother. If you put in just the right amount, then it probably won't affect the taste. The way I judge is to bust up all my weed, put it into a pile, and just sprinkle the top with tobacco until it's evenly covered.

It's only really worth it for me if the weed we're rolling is wet or damp and won't really burn, we've had a good bit of damp weed lately.

Word, I'll agree with you there. Sometimes weed is just not readily made into a joint at all!

Europe is a country now? :o

Continent, sorry mr. geography. I was drunk when I wrote that.

Actually the first reason why we europeans use cardboard and tobacco its because we mainly smoke hash. Try smoking hash without cardboard and tobbacco.

watch your fucking mouth

I'll fucking kill you.

I do it all the time?

Depends.

With a cardboard filter you get more airflow. It allows you to pack it tighter, which can lead to it burning better. Especially when you get near the end of the joint, it'll be easier to inhale.

But others don't care that much I guess, they just want to get high. There's quite a few people here in Norway who roll tobacco, even in the younger generation, and they don't use any filter, just like an "American" joint.

In the end its all personal preference. Getting the cardboard filter right is somewhat challanging for beginners, so many don't even try. I always roll in the cardboard filter at the same time I roll the joint, I don't stick it in after I'm finished rolling like many Canadians I know do.

Pot noobs? Really?
Ive only used a roach before as a novelty but it is not needed. I think Ive only done it once or twice but seriously there is no need for a "roach". Only an ego centric elitist like yourself would believe somthing like that. Do you think hippys used to use roachs? Do you think hippys were pot noobs? Well either way fuck hippys and fuck you too captain nigger.

I do it all the time?

And don't you have a itching feeling in your throat? It just tastes worser without a cardboard

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Whoever made this image shouldn't have had the guy smoking a cigarette because it does make him look somewhat cooler/tougher.

Im in Canada, and sometimes if I cant find and cardboard, or if we just wanna blaze and dont feel like throwin one in, we dont. Its not the end of the world, and you can hit it just find, just twist the end of the d00b.

I'll fucking kill you.

shut the fuck up and make ya face go :o

shut the fuck up and make ya face go :o

:o:o:o:o

...you get a nice little tea drinking surprise.

Oy, tea is a fantastic thing which should NOT be slandered!

I mainly smoke hash with tobacco in joints, and I don't really care if this is "wasteful" or "lame", it's what I prefer... having a cardboard roach/crutch makes all the sense in the world tbh...

Take roach, and spot it

Inside-out rolling + cardboard filter = best.

Edit; It's not really cardboard (cause I think alot of you might think we use like cardboard from boxes type of cardboard cause, well, you know, alot of you are pretty dumb).

It's like this (http://www.dutch-headshop.com/images/G_tips-smokers-choice-green.jpg).

I call it a spliff. Ya, I know a spliff is a blunt with tobacco... I don't give a damn.

Also, I use business cards most of the time, they work good:)

Fancy cardboard is still cardboard. Europeans love pointless trends to follow though. The manufacturers of the cardboard need to make money.. Someone should make really good strains called Dick and Elephant Jizz just for europe. They'd all be talking about how much they love dick and elephant jizz.

i used to just roll up a little piece of paper at the end of the J for a filter, i didnt use cardboard or some weird shit... now i wizened up and just either roll regular joints or use a good ol' pipe/bong.

and here in the US a roach is just the burned end of the joint.

Only noobs and idiots don't use a filter in their joints. Its also called a filter. Not a roach. This thread is stupid.

Only noobs and idiots don't use a filter in their joints.

I just don't see the point. Why would I do such a thing? THAT seems idiotic to me.

also, do you think just everyone has spare pieces of cardboard sitting around just to be put into a joint? actually, i smoke almost exclusively bowls and bongs, with only the occasional blunt or joint, so what the fuck do i care?

our weeds cheap enough that we dont need to jew it up with a piece of fucking cardboard

Thats not the point at all you dumb fuck. The filter prevents bits of weed from going in your mouth. It allows for bigger hits and prevents the joint from getting too wet and falling apart.

Thats not the point at all you dumb fuck. The filter prevents bits of weed from going in your mouth. It allows for bigger hits and prevents the joint from getting too wet and falling apart.

or you could roll it fucking properly and not niggerlip it, I'm about to pop my stfu acolyte cherry ready for this. shut the fuck up acolyte!

I typically dont use a roach when I'm smoking one by myself, but I'm sharing it, i'll typically through one in because it doesnt get as soggy as some people tend to nigger lip the hell out of it.

Fancy cardboard is still cardboard.

But it's not cardboard, if anything it's thick paper, or thin card.

Roaching stuff is a fun past time, some of you are missing out.... ;)

When someone yells in pained agony "Oy who's been roaching my fucking textbook..." or some such, lols ensue...

Some of my friends have a Jehovah's Witnesses booklet for roach

I just don't see the point. Why would I do such a thing? THAT seems idiotic to me.

also, do you think just everyone has spare pieces of cardboard sitting around just to be put into a joint? actually, i smoke almost exclusively bowls and bongs, with only the occasional blunt or joint, so what the fuck do i care?

Well the way I do it is I just put in just enough to hold it open and it makes for a way fatter hit. I don't see the point with joints but with a blunt it does work

Roach always. I save card rave/party flyers, they're my favourite to use. The green bit in the back of rizla packets is good too. And old Christmas/birthday cards.

rarely i will use a roach (I call it a "crutch")

more often, i roll with semi-powdery stuff to fill it, and put a few little chunky pieces or slivers of stem or leaf in the mouthpiece to keep the powder from coming through.

I save card rave/party flyers, they're my favourite to use.

Me too, they're perfect.

Roaches help with rolling, for me. Using a roach makes it easy to roll a long, smooth, even-burning cone-shaped spliff, which is surely the most desirable spliff-state one can attain. I wouldn't imagine not rolling with a roach, and you can vary how big the hits you get are by rolling a roach tighter or looser. Oh, and a big roach can help you roll immense spliffs, 2x2 king rizla or foot-long joints from a long sheet of rolling paper (juicy rizla and things like that). I can't imagine that's even possible without a roach, and it goes down great at a party or something.

Both of those look like pieces of shit.

Seriously how creased do you want the first one to be.

Not to mention both of them look like realllllllly thick and nasty papers.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

*breathes*

hahahahahahahahahaha

*breathes*

hahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, random number faggot made me laugh.

Butt-hurt much?

I love how reject tries to come into every thread mentioning the United States and make it seem like he's a tough guy.

Anyone wanna guess how much he weighs? I'm putting a note on him being under 100 pounds.

I can guarantee I can roll blunts, joints, cigs, whatever better than you can.

I wish you came to England so you didn't have to pussy out behind guns and fight a man eye to eye. Guarantee you'd lose at that as well.

Take away your guns and all you are is a big pansy.

Do all europeans sound like prissy faggots, or just you?

I on the other hand, would never need a gun for someone like reject. I'm bigger and stronger and faster than 99% of totse. Which doesn't say much I guess, considering most of totse is probably teens. But still, if I could type in all caps so that I'd look more impressive when I e fight, I would. Sometimes I wouldn't mind shooting people like reject though when I'm in a bad mood.

*faceslap*

This thread is so angry and unproductive. I'm sick of these typical, go-nowhere, bitch fests.

*faceslap*

This thread is so angry and unproductive. I'm sick of these typical, go-nowhere, totse, bitch fests.

It's easy to boost your own ego from behind a keyboard. Even on the offchance that an angry internet warrior can roll perfect spliffs in seconds or is a 200lbs ninjitsu master, the fact that you have to bust it out on a web forum to assert your dominance over other angry internet warriors makes anything you say completely irrelevant.

I just had to check this thread out to see why it was getting so many hits.

I now see why.....

ok, roll up a joint with some hemp paper crutches and tell me it doesn't hit and taste good.

I only use joints at a party as they're a waste, and without a crutch its fucking pitiful getting back a saliva closed cherry-less spliff.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/awitz13/tips.jpg

I don't get my joints wet when I smoke them. I have huge lips so I don't think it has anything to do with your lips, just if you're retarded enough to get spit on it or not.

I also don't share my joints. I think sharing them is retarded too. Stupid stoner tradition that serves no real purpose. If I want to share I'll hand someone their own joint.

i am in the U.S. and some people use those here and others don't. i have used them before. it really depends on how the mouthpiece turns out on the joint. If it is a really big hole I will add one. if it is nice and small then there is no need.

i am in the U.S. and some people use those here and others don't. i have used them before. it really depends on how the mouthpiece turns out on the joint. If it is a really big hole I will add one. if it is nice and small then there is no need.

You're not meant to stick a roach in a joint after you roll it. You put it at one end of the rizla next to your bud/baccy and use it when you're rolling. Makes it much easier and if you do it right there's no chance of it slipping out or whatever.

I also don't share my joints. I think sharing them is retarded too. Stupid stoner tradition that serves no real purpose. If I want to share I'll hand someone their own joint.

Shame. Smoking weed's a great social thing, either with friends or at a party or whatever. If I roll a joint, smoke some and pass it round, I'm happy knowing that it's gonna get shared fairly and come back round to me (amongst friends for sure, and usually at parties) and that somebody else is gonna roll and share the next one. And if nobody else has any weed, I'll gladly roll up a fat spliff and share the joy. Stop being such a misanthropic tightass and pass your bud around.

...ok

this is a what a proper american joint looks like
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/poofeek/0320081049.jpg

btw, that's a tasty looking jay.

Even on the offchance that an angry internet warrior can roll perfect spliffs in seconds or is a 200lbs ninjitsu master.

haha i just keep laughing at that-angry internet warrior. hilarious

pass your bud around.

like i have the cash to pay to smoke everyone up all the time
my friends and i all smoke each other up though

wow, get a little defensive there bud? hes a guy on an online forum talking trash on your not to bad looking rolls, get over it. but really man, an 1/8th in a joint is cool but why not put it in a blunt? ive rolled 1/8ths into 1.5 wraps and its always more of a hassle than just pinching up a nice grape blunt.

this was like 2 am in the morning and there was no store open within wlking distance, and all I had was ez wider at the time.

You're not meant to stick a roach in a joint after you roll it. You put it at one end of the rizla next to your bud/baccy and use it when you're rolling. Makes it much easier and if you do it right there's no chance of it slipping out or whatever.



Shame. Smoking weed's a great social thing, either with friends or at a party or whatever. If I roll a joint, smoke some and pass it round, I'm happy knowing that it's gonna get shared fairly and come back round to me (amongst friends for sure, and usually at parties) and that somebody else is gonna roll and share the next one. And if nobody else has any weed, I'll gladly roll up a fat spliff and share the joy. Stop being such a misanthropic tightass and pass your bud around.

well i do, you roll the carboard extra tight and then stick it in and it unrolls and expands a little and it cant fall out.

^^ yeah me too i like the way that works, im american, and sometimes i use a "roach" (with should just be called a mouthpiece IMO), sometimes i dont

Shame. Smoking weed's a great social thing, either with friends or at a party or whatever. If I roll a joint, smoke some and pass it round, I'm happy knowing that it's gonna get shared fairly and come back round to me (amongst friends for sure, and usually at parties) and that somebody else is gonna roll and share the next one. And if nobody else has any weed, I'll gladly roll up a fat spliff and share the joy. Stop being such a misanthropic tightass and pass your bud around.

Smoking it can be a better great social thing if everyone has their own joint. I'm not going to risk touching someone else's saliva unless it's someone I fuck.

It has nothing to do with being misanthropic, I'm far from misanthropic.

By the way the only person I've ever met that was as obsessed as the people in this topic, with how the joint looks, was a 14 year old wigger when I taught him how to roll. He obsessively tried to make them look perfect... I told him not to worry about it and just make sure they smoke well. But he kept being weird about it.

When he sold weed he wasted all his money on expensive clothes and shoes and guns. Then he got busted and had no money after that. Maybe he'll learn a lesson some day.

Smoking it can be a better great social thing if everyone has their own joint. I'm not going to risk touching someone else's saliva unless it's someone I fuck.

It has nothing to do with being misanthropic, I'm far from misanthropic.

By the way the only person I've ever met that was as obsessed as the people in this topic, with how the joint looks, was a 14 year old wigger when I taught him how to roll. He obsessively tried to make them look perfect... I told him not to worry about it and just make sure they smoke well. But he kept being weird about it.

When he sold weed he wasted all his money on expensive clothes and shoes and guns. Then he got busted and had no money after that. Maybe he'll learn a lesson some day.
Lol some one is OCD. ewww saliva cooties! Ok howard Hughes.

like i have the cash to pay to smoke everyone up all the time
my friends and i all smoke each other up though

If you want to look at it from a personal-gain point of view, I always find that £10 of bud passed around in a couple of spliffs at strategic points in a night more than makes up for itself in party goodwill by way of free drinks, prime passing position on any other spliffs that may be rolled, inclusion in the consumption of other, stronger illicit substances and the disposition of any weed-partial girls present towards you.

Smoking it can be a better great social thing if everyone has their own joint. I'm not going to risk touching someone else's saliva unless it's someone I fuck.

Nigga Ima fuck U like a bitch!

If you want to look at it from a personal-gain point of view, I always find that £10 of bud passed around in a couple of spliffs at strategic points in a night more than makes up for itself in party goodwill by way of free drinks, prime passing position on any other spliffs that may be rolled, inclusion in the consumption of other, stronger illicit substances and the disposition of any weed-partial girls present towards you.


This. People who smoke weed at parties by themselves in the corner should be kicked the fuck out. I remember being at a party one time as a kid and seeing a 20 person pipe rotation going...one of the coolest things I've ever seen. All of these people who may have never talked otherwise were chatting it up and laughing together.

Can someone post a picture of what the end of a "perfectly" rolled yank-joint looks like? You bitches talk a lot of shit about your rolling skills well talk is cheap. What is this magic crease that makes a card spiral crutch obsolete?

Lol some one is OCD. ewww saliva cooties! Ok howard Hughes.

I can share joints with people but I'd rather not. It's just disgusting to share joints with most people. If it were OCD, I probably wouldn't even be able to share them. I used to have OCD pretty bad though before using shrooms. I didn't know who howard hughes was till you mentioned him and I looked him up. Interesting coincidence because I was thinking about making controversial films.

lol magic crease? If you have good weed to roll with you shouldn't need a magic crease. But I guess most people get weed that's either too dry or too moist. I don't have any good weed myself, but anyone that's smoked weed which isn't all gayed up knows it's extremely easy to roll. I knew this old asian dude that used to grow sativas once, and sometimes you could just grab a small correctly dried or cured or semi cured branch with bud on it and push/squeeze that directly into the paper without breaking it up and roll it and smoke it like that. The entire thing would burn perfectly just like that. The stems were really thin. Of course, you wouldn't want to use the whole branch cause it would be too long. And you wouldn't get stuff in your mouth. When it's fresh but not too fresh, and fluffy, you won't have to break it up much and you won't have pieces coming out of the end. Even a noob can roll easily if the bud is good enough.

When your weed is too dry or broken up too much into little pieces then of course it's going to get stuff in your mouth if you don't twist the ends. But then, twisting doesn't look pretty enough for some people I guess.

lol magic crease? If you have good weed to roll with you shouldn't need a magic crease. But I guess most people get weed that's either too dry or too moist. I don't have any good weed myself, but anyone that's smoked weed which isn't all gayed up knows it's extremely easy to roll. I knew this old asian dude that used to grow sativas once, and sometimes you could just grab a small correctly dried or cured or semi cured branch with bud on it and push/squeeze that directly into the paper without breaking it up and roll it and smoke it like that. The entire thing would burn perfectly just like that. The stems were really thin. Of course, you wouldn't want to use the whole branch cause it would be too long. And you wouldn't get stuff in your mouth. When it's fresh but not too fresh, and fluffy, you won't have to break it up much and you won't have pieces coming out of the end. Even a noob can roll easily if the bud is good enough.

When your weed is too dry or broken up too much into little pieces then of course it's going to get stuff in your mouth if you don't twist the ends. But then, twisting doesn't look pretty enough for some people I guess.

But adding a card spiral eliminates that issue of it in your mouth and allows one to smoke all of the bud (a good card spiral hardly even singes, just gets resinated and there is no card taste at all whatsoever). It is incredibly easy to get a card piece from anywhere and roll it up. Some of you act is if that is a major task. I don't see any reasons not to use a card spiral. Then you can bust the bud up super-fine for the ultimate burn.

I can share joints with people but I'd rather not. It's just disgusting to share joints with most people. If it were OCD, I probably wouldn't even be able to share them. I used to have OCD pretty bad though before using shrooms. I didn't know who howard hughes was till you mentioned him and I looked him up. Interesting coincidence because I was thinking about making controversial films.

i meant the ocd part of howard hughes.

shut the fuck up ilovechronic


no one here reads what you have to say

lol. obviously the people in this thread did judging FROM THEM REPLYING TO THEM. And the you know how you replied to me, you had to have read what I said. nice try though you petty thief and wannabe gangtster. I am blessed i am not YOU, so I am happy.

....And now it's time for....

SPLIFF POLITICS!

lol. obviously the people in this thread did judging FROM THEM REPLYING TO THEM. And the you know how you replied to me, you had to have read what I said. nice try though you petty thief and wannabe gangtster. I am blessed i am not YOU, so I am happy.

tl/dr

If you want to look at it from a personal-gain point of view, I always find that £10 of bud passed around in a couple of spliffs at strategic points in a night more than makes up for itself in party goodwill by way of free drinks, prime passing position on any other spliffs that may be rolled, inclusion in the consumption of other, stronger illicit substances and the disposition of any weed-partial girls present towards you.

an excellent point
i forget things like that

Personally, I like using a little piece of cardboard at the end so I can hold it properly and if someone nigger lips it, the end wont fuck up.

tl/dr

tldr shut the fuck up bitch. that was not directed towards you so WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU READING IT?

As its been said by countless people in this thread....its preference. Why are you still arguing?

But I do want to ask one thing....

All the Euros seem to be screaming that a lack of a crutch will result in the joint getting wet and falling apart. Do you actually let the joint touch your lips...when they are wet? You will be kicked from the circle around here if you're niggerlipping. Most people around here hold it slightly inside the thumb and forefinger and create a seal from lips to fingers...no part of the joint touching the lip.

As its been said by countless people in this thread....its preference. Why are you still arguing?

But I do want to ask one thing....

All the Euros seem to be screaming that a lack of a crutch will result in the joint getting wet and falling apart. Do you actually let the joint touch your lips...when they are wet? You will be kicked from the circle around here if you're niggerlipping. Most people around here hold it slightly inside the thumb and forefinger and create a seal from lips to fingers...no part of the joint touching the lip.i am in the us also but I put the joint in my lips but i make sure they are not wet at all. I don't put the joint in far enough where it would be inside my mouth. it only is put on the outer paart of my lips.

Boomshanka! An interception!

Boomshanka! An interception!

Lol, Marksist!

get on msnz.