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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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2008-12-04, 05:32
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wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
so my psychology textbook classifies weed as a hallucinogen. i always thought it was a depressant. its a pretty new textbook too. can anybody explain this?
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2008-12-04, 05:37
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Weed is both a hallucinogen and a depressent. It has a mind altering chemical, THC, (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Which makes it a mild hallucinogen.
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2008-12-04, 05:49
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Judasway
Weed is both a hallucinogen and a depressent. It has a mind altering chemical, THC, (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). Which makes it a mild hallucinogen.
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It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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2008-12-04, 05:54
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
fireworks. come on guys.
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2008-12-04, 05:57
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
i thought marijuana was a stimulant..
it makes your heart beat faster when your stoned.
But eventually if you dont have the will power to fight the tiredness, it turns into a downer.
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2008-12-04, 05:59
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml
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2008-12-04, 05:59
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
she is NOT a THING
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2008-12-04, 06:03
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i call it kegfort..
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
weed is a stimulant, depressant, hallucinogenic, anti-psychotic, anxiogenic, anti-depressant, anxiolytic fucking mind fuck of a drug.
But don't worry man, it's only green, it can't hurt ya  |
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2008-12-04, 06:26
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
i get some pretty cool closed eye visuals when i'm really stoned. i think it depends on the person.
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2008-12-04, 06:27
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Edit: and that ^
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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Not all hallucinogens are acid..
And this.
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Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box
she is NOT a THING
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And this.
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Originally Posted by silverballs
weed is a stimulant, depressant, hallucinogenic, anti-psychotic, anxiogenic, anti-depressant, anxiolytic fucking mind fuck of a drug.
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2008-12-04, 06:39
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Replace the term hallucinogenic with psychedelic and there ya go.
You cant deny that weed changes the way you think?
Unlike alcohol which depresseses the way you think, or cocaine which speeds it up.
Weed is like a very very light beginners version of proper psychedelics
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2008-12-04, 06:57
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Marijuana has indeed made me hallucinate.
When i was younger, probably 15. I would smoke massive amounts of very potent weed.
Everything seemed to melt into itself. Including myself and the people around me. Along with visuals, disorientation and paranoia It was in fact a trip. Not mild at all. Only happened to me like 3 times but i learned to respect weed for all its worth.
I'm actually surprised more people have not had similar experiences with bud.
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2008-12-04, 07:36
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Bean_Doodle
Replace the term hallucinogenic with psychedelic and there ya go.
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THIS.
Anyone ever see that episode of "that 70's show" where eric and his friends were toking up downstairs and he goes up for some food and red catches him? He (red) starts going on how he wants eric to do this & that, all the while the freakin wallpaper behind him starts to spin up and down. By the time red is done talking to him, the wallpaper is moving really fast and he can't remember shit.
It something along those lines, haha.
Peace.
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2008-12-04, 08:18
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
she is an elemental spirit
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2008-12-04, 09:55
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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I have always heard that since its effects are so unique it is can be classed as stimulant, depressant, and psychedelic.
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2008-12-04, 12:06
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by stephan_jenkins
so my psychology textbook classifies weed as a hallucinogen. i always thought it was a depressant. its a pretty new textbook too. can anybody explain this?
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the first time i smoked i had some mild visuals, and felt it in my back.
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2008-12-04, 12:17
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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It does seem that people expect hallucinations to be weird & strange.
Yet...sometimes I see things that look just like the reality I expect to see. Except the person or thing isn't actually there.
Eg: When I see the bus coming a block away, turn my head away & turn back expecting to see it pulling up...but... no bus. Not even a truck or other type of bus. Nothing.
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2008-12-04, 12:18
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
The first few times i toked, and when i toked a ton after a 8 month break I started seeing things. Not strong but I remember when I just started burning and i mixed a joint of 3 very potent strains which was like 1.5 grams I saw treople. Or after a break with potent bud i saw a bird on the floor crawl into the ground. But the best was on a school trip when i got 10 grams as a gift so i rolled up a 5 gram blunt and smoked most of it myself, then i was seeing tons of stuff
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2008-12-04, 12:30
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by bozoyoro
The first few times i toked, and when i toked a ton after a 8 month break I started seeing things. Not strong but I remember when I just started burning and i mixed a joint of 3 very potent strains which was like 1.5 grams I saw treople. Or after a break with potent bud i saw a bird on the floor crawl into the ground. But the best was on a school trip when i got 10 grams as a gift so i rolled up a 5 gram blunt and smoked most of it myself, then i was seeing tons of stuff
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It's kind of like how the brain likes to "fill in the blanks" of patterns. So that what you see/half-see, hear/half-hear: your stoned mind fills in the missing pieces & gives you a "whole" that might only bear a little relation to the reality. Probably where the paranoia comes in too. Fill in the missing pieces with made-up thoughts & suddenly everything fits!
Those bastards! How dare they!  
If you noticed how people let their egos give them the pride that what they think is necessarily right just because they thought it? You can imagine how people can get when they are feeling Up/Good/Cool/ High on top of their usual ego-trips. All ready to diss other people's BS...but totally believe their own.
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2008-12-04, 12:48
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by moonmeister
It's kind of like how the brain likes to "fill in the blanks" of patterns. So that what you see/half-see, hear/half-hear: your stoned mind fills in the missing pieces & gives you a "whole" that might only bear a little relation to the reality. Probably where the paranoia comes in too. Fill in the missing pieces with made-up thoughts & suddenly everything fits!
Those bastards! How dare they!
If you noticed how people let their egos give them the pride that what they think is necessarily right just because they thought it? You can imagine how people can get when they are feeling Up/Good/Cool/ High on top of their usual ego-trips. All ready to diss other people's BS...but totally believe their own. |
a shift in perception always results in a shift of the apparent knowledge one has
as the majority of people see others as reflections of themselves, they will call others out on their BS because they are subliminally aware of their very own personal BS and yet because their perception has shifted they will still have knowledge, albeit fleeting
one who has attained stability will not have that problem
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2008-12-04, 14:05
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
i have had mild audio hallucinations while high. i have also found that my sense of touch taste smell an sight are all also affected by heavy pot smoking.
is it the same as acid? no. do you still trip? sure.
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2008-12-04, 14:17
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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Grammar mwuhahahah  But yeh.
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2008-12-04, 21:13
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by moonmeister
It does seem that people expect hallucinations to be weird & strange.
Yet...sometimes I see things that look just like the reality I expect to see. Except the person or thing isn't actually there.
Eg: When I see the bus coming a block away, turn my head away & turn back expecting to see it pulling up...but...no bus. Not even a truck or other type of bus. Nothing.
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That's called schizophrenia bro. Only deleriants do that.
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2008-12-04, 21:21
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Alright most people when they first start smoking weed don't take it smoking weed to the limit. Just for the first time you smoke get a lot of dro, and just keep smoking until you smoke all of it and YOU WILL have some time distortion and "cartoon look alike" visuals of what your are seeing
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2008-12-04, 21:22
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
*Hippie voice* Weed is a medicine, man.......putting a label on it is what THE MAN wants us to do.
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2008-12-04, 21:25
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
...it might just be the fact that he's used to checking to see if the bus is coming so that the driver doesn't think he's standing there for no reason and just drives by?
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2008-12-04, 21:34
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Metaphysicist
It is not an hallucinogen. Maybe at very high doses one might have a little visual distortions going on. But nothing even close to acid or something along those lines.
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Marijuana does have psychedelic qualities. Maybe not for everyone, but I know if I smoke past my limit I'll get auditory hallucinations, extremely altered thought patterns and occasionally closed eye visuals. I once got full on open eye visuals after taking too many bong rips, but it was the night after a really intense acid trip so that may have played a role in it.
It may not be as profound as an LSD trip, but It's definatly not something that should be written off completly.
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2008-12-04, 22:00
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
what textbook is it? jw if its the same as mine cuz it says the exact same bullshit.
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2008-12-04, 22:41
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by EternalEclipse
Marijuana does have psychedelic qualities. Maybe not for everyone, but I know if I smoke past my limit I'll get auditory hallucinations, extremely altered thought patterns and occasionally closed eye visuals. I once got full on open eye visuals after taking too many bong rips, but it was the night after a really intense acid trip so that may have played a role in it.
It may not be as profound as an LSD trip, but It's definatly not something that should be written off completly.
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Psychedelic =/= Hallucinogen
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2008-12-04, 23:03
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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what textbook is it? jw if its the same as mine cuz it says the exact same bullshit.
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http://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Lif...8431750&sr=8-3
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2008-12-04, 23:12
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by moonmeister
It's kind of like how the brain likes to "fill in the blanks" of patterns. So that what you see/half-see, hear/half-hear: your stoned mind fills in the missing pieces & gives you a "whole" that might only bear a little relation to the reality. Probably where the paranoia comes in too. Fill in the missing pieces with made-up thoughts & suddenly everything fits!
Those bastards! How dare they!
If you noticed how people let their egos give them the pride that what they think is necessarily right just because they thought it? You can imagine how people can get when they are feeling Up/Good/Cool/ High on top of their usual ego-trips. All ready to diss other people's BS...but totally believe their own. |
yes. and IMO, one cant truly mature until their ego has been shattered....dissolved....deconstructed, the ego is usually the root of pointless conflict
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2008-12-04, 23:31
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by moonmeister
It does seem that people expect hallucinations to be weird & strange.
Yet...sometimes I see things that look just like the reality I expect to see. Except the person or thing isn't actually there.
Eg: When I see the bus coming a block away, turn my head away & turn back expecting to see it pulling up...but...no bus. Not even a truck or other type of bus. Nothing.
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That is a delusion. Hallucinations are always weird & strange and the observer knows that they are imaginary.
Delusions are different in that the observer believes them to be real. If the observer thinks these delusions are evil/scary, then that person has symptoms of the schiz.
And really guys.... It's a high school psychology book. It's not going to go into some in-depth analysis on the subjective effects of weed.
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2008-12-04, 23:33
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by stephan_jenkins
so my psychology textbook classifies weed as a hallucinogen. i always thought it was a depressant. its a pretty new textbook too. can anybody explain this?
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do you by any chance live in NYC?
I take psychology and we were discussing this in class a day ago.
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2008-12-05, 01:08
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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do you by any chance live in NYC?
I take psychology and we were discussing this in class a day ago.
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nope.ive been to a yankees game though
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# 35
2008-12-05, 01:16
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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2008-12-05, 03:23
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by The_Infamous_Mobb
Marijuana has indeed made me hallucinate.
When i was younger, probably 15. I would smoke massive amounts of very potent weed.
Everything seemed to melt into itself. Including myself and the people around me. Along with visuals, disorientation and paranoia It was in fact a trip. Not mild at all. Only happened to me like 3 times but i learned to respect weed for all its worth.
I'm actually surprised more people have not had similar experiences with bud.
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I have, but nyc is known to have a lot of easily accessible dank dank buds.
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2008-12-05, 04:53
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
I've seen it listed as a psychedelic a few times before, and almost always as a depressant. It doesn't really cause visual distortion as much as it makes your surroundings stand out more. Like your eyes will focus on something far away or near you instead of staying in full view sometimes (but that might just be my short attention span acting up).
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2008-12-05, 05:30
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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she is NOT a THING
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Rizzo for the win.
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# 39
2008-12-05, 06:24
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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yes. and IMO, one cant truly mature until their ego has been shattered....dissolved....deconstructed, the ego is usually the root of pointless conflict
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I think thats why so many fucking people find people/world strange/creepy after doin acid or loads of ganj. The truth is in there 
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2008-12-05, 06:56
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by Pooter
That is a delusion. Hallucinations are always weird & strange and the observer knows that they are imaginary.
Delusions are different in that the observer believes them to be real. If the observer thinks these delusions are evil/scary, then that person has symptoms of the schiz.
And really guys.... It's a high school psychology book. It's not going to go into some in-depth analysis on the subjective effects of weed.
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this is exactly why i think there is so much more to dmt than seeing shit. i've taken shrooms and lsd, the visuals are strange and awe inspiring but i wouldn't confuse them for reality-not even while on them. i've taken deleriants and though i cannot tell if what i see is real or not while i'm on them, after i sober up i understand it was all in my head. with dmt i know that i saw something more real than anything i've ever seen. ever. but they label it a hallucinogen--explain
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
i remember when i first started smoking...i smoke a shit ton one day... then i went outside at night to walk around....everywhere around me in random spots i could see those stars and planet type shit that floats above cartoon characters heads after they get hit on the head with an Acme anvil.... the second time i got high (first time actually stoned) my wall was all swirly looking, i played simpson's road rage and saw multiple homer simpsons while i was driving
so basically i've only "seen" shit on weed twice...i wish it would happen again, but i've done it way to much now for it to happen.
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2008-12-05, 22:33 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Psychedelic =/= Hallucinogen
Idiot.
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
THC is very similar to what you find in Acid
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2008-12-06, 02:36 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Originally Posted by The_Infamous_Mobb
Marijuana has indeed made me hallucinate.
When i was younger, probably 15. I would smoke massive amounts of very potent weed.
Everything seemed to melt into itself. Including myself and the people around me. Along with visuals, disorientation and paranoia It was in fact a trip. Not mild at all. Only happened to me like 3 times but i learned to respect weed for all its worth.
I'm actually surprised more people have not had similar experiences with bud.
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Something like that has happened to me once, but I can't really explain it. I smoked so much.
Everything looked like legos kind of, everything was all colored, couldn't see shit but all these blocks of color |
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2008-12-07, 20:24 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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THC is very similar to what you find in Acid
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2008-12-08, 01:03 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
this is exactly why i think there is so much more to dmt than seeing shit. i've taken shrooms and lsd, the visuals are strange and awe inspiring but i wouldn't confuse them for reality-not even while on them. i've taken deleriants and though i cannot tell if what i see is real or not while i'm on them, after i sober up i understand it was all in my head. with dmt i know that i saw something more real than anything i've ever seen. ever. but they label it a hallucinogen--explain
dummy you and me are alike in many ways. this was going to be my exact reply. dmt being the the exception. but i wouldnt say that shrooms or lsd cause you to see some thing that isnt real. everything ive ever seen was real. maybe not in this exact legal realm of perception....taping in just makes u wanna get out.
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2008-12-08, 04:35 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
you mean a chemical?
Nah man, so much more than that! They both have a bunch of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen.  |
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2008-12-08, 05:23 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
this is exactly why i think there is so much more to dmt than seeing shit. i've taken shrooms and lsd, the visuals are strange and awe inspiring but i wouldn't confuse them for reality-not even while on them. i've taken deleriants and though i cannot tell if what i see is real or not while i'm on them, after i sober up i understand it was all in my head. with dmt i know that i saw something more real than anything i've ever seen. ever. but they label it a hallucinogen--explain
Why do you think dreams can be so convincing?
If you found that chemical reality to be "more real" than sobriety, who is to say that it isn't? All of your brain activity is just a series of electrical impulses interspersed with chemical interaction. You're just taking a chemical already present in your brain, a chemical your brain was already designed to be able to use...but you're upping the dosage. Maybe you actually are perceiving reality still, but on a higher level? I can't say I know that for fact, but I can't say it's false either.
It's the type of question we're still WTFing over.
But as far as deliriants go, have you experienced Datura? Seeing everyone you've ever known gathered around you gives you pause for a moment-surely this can't be real, but they are fully tangible in that you can more than just see them; you can hear them, touch them, smell them. You can communicate in full. Interacting with them has a tendency to suspend any disbelief you may have upon initial sight. It feels like you're smoking a cigarette if there is one in your hand or not. All facets of reality are altered to this degree.
In regards to the thread, in the way I understand it is there are 3 main divisions of
HALLUCINOGENS.
PSYCHEDELICS
DISSOCIATIVES
DELIRIANTS
All of the drugs that fall into those three categories are considered hallucinogens.
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2008-12-08, 07:43 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Marijuana is a dissociative anesthetic. I don't know what you fuckers are talking about.
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2008-12-08, 16:18 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
I think it is classified as a hallucinogen because of the weird thoughts you have when you are stoned. A hallucinogen doesn't necessarily make you see and hear things that aren't there, but can just make you think unusual things.
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2008-12-09, 00:14 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
I almost always have crazy static vision, semi vivid colors appearing, sometimes people grow larger, sometimes things seem cartoony, sometimes I have bizarre thoughts about the universe or myself, does anyone ever get intense tactile hallucinations from being really stoned? sometimes I feel like my body is bending or twisting or warping in some way when im zoning out and really stoned
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2008-12-09, 00:44 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
Anyone who says weed can't make you hallucinate has clearly never smoke a lot of really dank weed.
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2008-12-09, 02:58 |
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Re: wtf weed is a hallucinogen?
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Marijuana is a dissociative anesthetic. I don't know what you fuckers are talking about.
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I have not found it to be a dissociative at ALL. |
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