I am fucked off. I got myself a new pot dealer recently and I thought he was good.

Last deal I got looks real nice. I smoke some it is hard black ash like I have had before. But then if you leave it to cool down for 20 minutes or so it goes all fucking greasy and if you rub it down paper it will leave a long back streak like paint.

I have seen people point this out on the net but no one knows what it is...do you?

Really though this is beyond bullshit I would rather pay more money for good bud than get this shit for fucks sake they are wankers.

welcome to the world of coated weed

I would not want to be breathing that shit into my lungs if I were you. That's nasty.

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.

Plus, in many parts of the US, there's an assload of UV rich sunshine. You don't get that in the netherlands and that's why their weed is inferior. It acclimated to their low UV environment, so the potency went down. Adding UV to an indoor grow costs way too much too unless you're growing it for yourself. That's why homegrown in the netherlands is often better, more attention to detail.

If you don't wanna live in the US, you could at least buy a house here and vacation with your super good clean weed.

You know, I read only about 10% of the weed from africa is sold to europe, they smoke the rest because it's so good. They too get assloads of UV.

For the love of god, tell me that's sarcasm.

I can guarantee that that shit is sprayed or coated, or the grower had a hydro setup and didn't flush the trays (using only water and no nutrients in final days) before harvesting. I've seen a buddy of mine spraying his weed with water and letting it dry like an hour before selling. He's a fucking dick sometimes and does that to save money even though his weed is decent for my area. It adds sometimes as much as 1-4 grams to an oz if you spray the whole thing and depending on how heavily you spray it. I've seen the kids he sold it to smoking it and the ash looks exactly how you described.

Shit's probably hella bad for your lungs, and it might be sprayed with something much worse than water. For example, I've heard rumors of windex being used around here sometimes, smoking that shit would tear the fuck out of your lungs, so be careful.

Also, never buy hash in London unless you know what you're doing. When I was trying to pick up some hash there some chav motherfucker tried to sell me some pressed pipe resin which was really bunk and barely got me stoned. According to some relatives I have there, most of the hash in London isn't actually hash.

What are you talking about?

I made a thread on this a while ago. http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2172596

Got some useful response there.

Also, check this video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6imnL1mDisQ

If it's anything like in that video throw that shit away, mate.

Fuck, I just sold mine on for half price - I made sure that the buyers new what they were in for, though. Students will do anything...

Anyway, bad luck.

What are you talking about?

Your original post made no fucking sense.

There's been some real deal reports of contamination recently somewhere in Canada and in Germany they've found lead dust in the weed...a lot of people are getting sick from it.

You should confront your dealer about it...

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.

If you don't wanna live in the US, you could at least buy a house here and vacation with your super good clean weed.



Not many people are prepared to make the life changing decision to leave their friends, familly, home and work just for better smoke.

welcome to the world of coated weed

This, dont smoke it or wash it with water and re-cure... It WILL fuck your lungs up and the high is not worth the nasty side affects of smoking whatever the hell they spray it with.

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.

If you don't wanna live in the US, you could at least buy a house here and vacation with your super good clean weed.



Not many people are prepared to make the life changing decision to leave their friends, familly, home and work just for better smoke.

Your original post made no fucking sense.

It makes perfect sense. If your weed is that shitty, move away or grow your own. Those are good options. What doesn't make sense is smoking it anyway, and you've done that. That's just plain retarded.

It makes perfect sense. If your weed is that shitty, move away or grow your own. Those are good options. What doesn't make sense is smoking it anyway, and you've done that. That's just plain retarded.

Oh, so weed means that much to me that I'm willing to just up and leave country, leaving behind my girlfriend, parents, siblings, friends, university, and Drum and fucking Bass? Now that'd be retarded.

I love weed, don't get me wrong, but I'm not fucking stupid. Besides, most of the time the weed I get is potent enough.

Not many people are prepared to make the life changing decision to leave their friends, familly, home and work just for better smoke.

Ha. Hahahahaha.

Also, why the FUCK would we move to America for better bud when we can make a short journey eastwards and end up in Amsterdam, probably the most smoke friendly country on earth. AND they all speak English there. Not to mention all the ho's.

Fuck yea I'm going Amsterdam in 2 months and 24 days :D :D :D

On topic: I haven't had coated weed for months. Last time was in the summer when it was just shit dry of weed so you took what you could get.

Recently it's been nothing good weed, occasionally getting average shit and occasionally getting some proper bangin' shit.

Oh, so weed means that much to me that I'm willing to just up and leave country, leaving behind my girlfriend, parents, siblings, friends, university, and Drum and fucking Bass? Now that'd be retarded.

I love weed, don't get me wrong, but I'm not fucking stupid. Besides, most of the time the weed I get is potent enough.

Potency means nothing if it's coated with glass particles, sugar, , shoe polish(inyourhash), or whatever other shit they put on/in it. You smoke weed that's been ruined. And obviously, when I suggest moving here, it isn't a suggestion to the people that wouldn't consider the idea due to reasons mentioned. But for anyone that would consider it, you'd save money and have better weed. I also suggested a vacation home here. There's nothing wrong with living in more than one place if you can afford it. Your misunderstanding was retarded, not my suggestions. Smoking tainted weed is still retarded. It's always going to be retarded. You can't escape the fact that you do retarded things.

And as I said;

Amsterdam > America.

Ha. Hahahahaha.

Also, why the FUCK would we move to America for better bud when we can make a short journey eastwards and end up in Amsterdam, probably the most smoke friendly country on earth. AND they all speak English there. Not to mention all the ho's.

Fuck yea I'm going Amsterdam in 2 months and 24 days :D :D :D

On topic: I haven't had coated weed for months. Last time was in the summer when it was just shit dry of weed so you took what you could get.

Recently it's been nothing good weed, occasionally getting average shit and occasionally getting some proper bangin' shit.

I hope you don't really believe amsterdam is a country... And I suggest the US because it's bigger, there's more stuff to do, and has better weed if you know how to get it. If your favorite strain is one from the netherlands, it'll be better if it's grown in certain states in the US than it would be usually in the netherlands.

I explained why outdoors in the right regions is better. You can get the same results indoors but it's a heck of a lot more work .

Netherlands has a shitty climate and doesn't get much UVB. Growing weed outdoors there would not produce the same results as it would in places like california or colorado. If you wanted to bring out the plants full potential indoors, you'd need a lot more than an HPS and a metal halide.

^I would bet that the best weed in the world is consistently coming from California, not Amsterdam.

I don't doubt that Amsterdam has fucking top-notch, one hitter quitter, blow-your-brain-out-the-back-of-your-skull good weed, but I do doubt that California doesn't have more of it at better prices...and more edibles too. It's medicine there, and you know how much Americans like their medicine.

I've heard plenty of horror stories about the cannabis scene over there. Between the nasty hash and the cut weed, I think I would have to go clean if I lived there.

How common is the weed that's sprayed/coated with crushed glass/sand/silica beads? And is this the doings of those chav fuckers, or folks higher up the line? Or both?

QFT. The whole 'which weed is better' war is fucking retarded. Top notch indie weed is going to pretty much be the same no matter where it's grown. It's not like different countries have these super secret techniques that are exclusive to their growers only. Get the top quality Cali bud, BC bud, and Amsterdam bud, and I'm willing to bet even the most serious of weed connoisseurs won't be able to tell the difference.

It has been fine for months. I hadn't even seen this shit before, the sand, sugar, wetweed, possible fibreglass had all been and gone. Now this.

Check out my ghetto style cold water extraction :(

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo3/PlazektheOneandOnly/V6HlYck7.jpg

Just from that bit of bud.

I tried smoking a little afterwards and it is far far nicer. The ash is not hard and it only has a little oily black ash, still makes me paranoid though. I told my guy I am not buying any more of this shit but that is all you can do. I doubt he even gets much choice.

PS it is the stuff from that youtube video. I saw that video months ago. Still no one knows what it is.

I hope you don't really believe amsterdam is a country... And I suggest the US because it's bigger, there's more stuff to do, and has better weed if you know how to get it. If your favorite strain is one from the netherlands, it'll be better if it's grown in certain states in the US than it would be usually in the netherlands.

I explained why outdoors in the right regions is better. You can get the same results indoors but it's a heck of a lot more work .

Netherlands has a shitty climate and doesn't get much UVB. Growing weed outdoors there would not produce the same results as it would in places like california or colorado. If you wanted to bring out the plants full potential indoors, you'd need a lot more than an HPS and a metal halide.

Yea everyone move to the unite states if you want to pay 40 or 50 fucking dollars for an eighth of bud. or 20 or 30 dollars for a gram of "dro." Fucking moron.


But TrueBudSmoker, I can get an oz of mexican for 40$

Keep smoking dirt, faggot.

Hard to believe anyone would even bother with that shit. Pretty sad.

Yea everyone move to the unite states if you want to pay 40 or 50 fucking dollars for an eighth of bud. or 20 or 30 dollars for a gram of "dro." Fucking moron.



Keep smoking dirt, faggot. The cheapest I've seen for mexican shwag is 50$. I don't even smoke weed often but when I do it's usually mexican shwag. I can get better weed but I see no reason to if I don't even smoke much. You're right about the price, in some US cities it's really gay. But in places where smoking and growing it aren't as big a deal, like california or colorado, you can find the top quality stuff for a much lower price if you're capable of making friends or finding a dealer/grower that'll grow seeds you ordered.


I've never heard of anyone in the US getting shwag that was coated or tainted. But it's such a crappy weed that it'll feel like it's tainted to your lungs. You can water cure it or whatever and that might help.

My suggestions of moving to the US were not for shwag, but for the best weed. You can get weed from anywhere in the world in the US, same as most countries, but growing it in certain US states would be better than growing it in canada or england or the netherlands, for anyone that just speaks english and really wants the best weed, and doesn't wanna spend thousands on equipment to bring out its full potential.

They've even got a weed school in california. Pretty funny.

Hard to believe anyone would even bother with that shit. Pretty sad.



Yea its fucking nasty stuff.

Even after I "cleaned" it.

probably some type of spray adhesive/glue or hairspray

give him a chance to redeem himself tho. if you think he was who fucked with that shit then you should take some of the ash and rub it in the fucker's eyes

How common is the weed that's sprayed/coated with crushed glass/sand/silica beads? And is this the doings of those chav fuckers, or folks higher up the line? Or both?

Used to be pretty common. Not so much anymore, people have got smart to it.

And it's mainly the weed grown by the Vietnamese gangs or the imported shit, but my area gets a lot of homegrown cos it's right in the middle of the fen, so we get good shit.

About 7 times out of 10 the weed I get is grown within 20 miles of me. Nice stuff.

Yea everyone move to the unite states if you want to pay 40 or 50 fucking dollars for an eighth of bud. or 20 or 30 dollars for a gram of "dro." Fucking moron.


You also make a good point.

I'd also move to BC rather than America.

Cos when it comes down to it, I don't wanna be surrounded by dumbass fatties. I'd more than likely be the thinnest and most intelligent person in whichever state I move to.

I've never heard of anyone in the US getting shwag that was coated or tainted. But it's such a crappy weed that it'll feel like it's tainted to your lungs. You can water cure it or whatever and that might help.

I've met a couple of Americans who got coated weed and thought it was banging, cos to quote them "this is the same shit we get in America".

And also in Crimsonsmokes thread about hard ash all the yanks were saying how it's dank and resinny, so I'd be willing to put money on Yanks getting coated weed but just too dumb to realise it's coated cos they get it sold to them as "dro".

Which brings me to an excellent idea of taking a couple of ounces of Britains finest coated and going over there and making big dollar.

Potency means nothing if it's coated with glass particles, sugar, , shoe polish(inyourhash), or whatever other shit they put on/in it. You smoke weed that's been ruined. And obviously, when I suggest moving here, it isn't a suggestion to the people that wouldn't consider the idea due to reasons mentioned. But for anyone that would consider it, you'd save money and have better weed. I also suggested a vacation home here. There's nothing wrong with living in more than one place if you can afford it. Your misunderstanding was retarded, not my suggestions. Smoking tainted weed is still retarded. It's always going to be retarded. You can't escape the fact that you do retarded things.

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By the way this thread is meant to be about contaminants people put on weed, how to remove them, what they are, whether they are dangerous etc.

It is not a pissing contest about who has the best shit you can do that in any thread please keep it somewhere else I want to keep this informative, don't want people smoking this crap. Besides if you Americans are lucky enough to have none of this shit (which I doubt) don't gloat too much cause it will only be a matter of time.

I've met a couple of Americans who got coated weed and thought it was banging, cos to quote them "this is the same shit we get in America".
Pretty sad that you'd stoop low enough to make things like this up because you're butt-hurt about the fact you can't get a consistent supply of good weed over there in your chav ghetto..



And also in Crimsonsmokes thread about hard ash all the yanks were saying how it's dank and resinny, so I'd be willing to put money on Yanks getting coated weed but just too dumb to realise it's coated cos they get it sold to them as "dro".
If it fools you english people in real life, I'm not surprised it fools american teens over the internet.


Which brings me to an excellent idea of taking a couple of ounces of Britains finest coated and going over there and making big dollar. Careful who you sell that to in the US, otherwise have fun being shot in the face / raped. See, there's a reason that type of thing is extremely rare here and not rare in the UK... You don't need to coat weed in the US. You can get pounds of shwag for dirt cheap and sell it at a higher price as "dro" if you're really that desperate for money.

Coating it is not a good idea though...

When I found tobacco in my shwag once, I nearly made a canoe out of someone's head.

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But you know, I think you're right about the weed being coated in the US. Take a look at this mexican I bought for real cheap.

http://i38.tinypic.com/e0hgn8.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/25zru4j.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/15zlbpw.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/x2quk1.jpg

I know the camera is shitty but you can clearly see that it's been coated with glue
or sugar. This just pisses me off. Actually, I do feel kind of hurt. I trusted my dealer and this is what I get. I thought he was my friend. I guess I can't trust any friends. good thing I didn't have many friends anyway. But I won't resort to violence. I've realized now that violence is never the answer.

What's important is trust. You must trust your dealer, but you must know that you trust them for a good reason. That's the lesson I've learned. I feel all depressed now.



You also make a good point.

I'd also move to BC rather than America.

Cos when it comes down to it, I don't wanna be surrounded by dumbass fatties.

Sounds like a plan http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmpubacc/421/42103.htm


I'd more than likely be the thinnest and most intelligent person in whichever state I move to. Because amsterdam is the best country, right ? You're so smart that you never smoke tainted weed either

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about you saying retarded things ...

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.

Horrid healthcare, poor job market, pricks like you, higher crime, poorer justice system, nigh fascist law enforcement including harsh drug legislation ...


Plus, in many parts of the US, there's an assload of UV rich sunshine.


UV transmission doesn't differ much across the world, except for directly underneath the ozone layer hole. Furthermore, plants absorb two specific wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum, both of which are visible, UV actually harms plants by destroying their chloroplasts, causing them to lose their colour and grow slower.


You don't get that in the netherlands and that's why their weed is inferior.


This weeks humo quoted a coffee shop keeper who prohibits foreigners from lighting up on his premises because the strength of the Dutch weed sends them spinning.

It acclimated to their low UV environment, so the potency went down.


Dutch weed is amongst the most potent in the world

Adding UV to an indoor grow costs way too much too unless you're growing it for yourself.


Mercury lamps are cheap enough actually, but won't help your plants

That's why homegrown in the netherlands is often better, more attention to detail.


Actually, the homegown stuff is less powerfull, but has a much richer flavour due to being grown slower.


You know, I read only about 10% of the weed from africa is sold to europe, they smoke the rest because it's so good. They too get assloads of UV.

Could be, *or* local production makes import not too profitable and pot has a poor return profit-to-volume wise.
There actually is some degree of smuggling Hash from Morocco to France.

But dude, the US is going to be alright again once obama gets into office.

But dude, the US is going to be alright again once obama gets into office.

For the love of god, tell me that's sarcasm.

He doesn't amount to anything and nobody cares about him.

I'm talking about you saying retarded things ...



Horrid healthcare, poor job market, pricks like you, higher crime, poorer justice system, nigh fascist law enforcement including harsh drug legislation ...
That's ridiculous. Why do you think I'm a prick? It's not like I said "uk and netherlands sux balls" or something like that. I just like to point out the reasons why the weed in the US is better and can be quite a lot better if you grow it yourself.

I'm actually quite nice. The only people I'm not being nice to are people that have said stupid things or done stupid things.

As for the health care and all that, I've never had a problem with any of it. I doubt many people that move here would either. You seem to believe that there's black boogy men waiting around every corner to get you in the US. There's actually a ton of cities and states where there's hardly any crime at all. And everything else you mentioned varies quitie a lot according to the demographics.


UV transmission doesn't differ much across the world, except for directly underneath the ozone layer hole. Furthermore, plants absorb two specific wavelengths in the electromagnetic spectrum, both of which are visible, UV actually harms plants by destroying their chloroplasts, causing them to lose their colour and grow slower.
So I guess the scientists are completely wrong when they talk about UVB increasing the potency... And they're wrong about there being much higher levels of UVB the closer you are to the sun or equator. I suppose I should listen to you rather than scientists, considering you play with fireworks and even make your own. Damn that's leet.


This weeks humo quoted a coffee shop keeper who prohibits foreigners from lighting up on his premises because the strength of the Dutch weed sends them spinning.


Too bad potency tests do not go well with your theory. Yes, netherlands has some very potent weed, but they don't have the most potent weed. If you look at the numbers from the tests, there isn't actually any "insanely potent" weed, it all evens out when you're looking at the places that produce the best and comparing them. The US happens to have better weed because of the growing climates.

People like you tend to continue the myth of weed in the 60s and 70s not being very potent. Which is actually just propaganda.



Mercury lamps are cheap enough actually, but won't help your plants
Mercury lamps are extremely inefficient and produce a rather small UVB beam and too much heat. Not nearly enough of what you'd want to get the full potential from the plants. It would cost quite a lot to have enough UVB from these mercury lamps to get the full potential of the plants, due to the poor efficiency.

Specialty incandescents is where it's at, although they're not made for that purpose, so they too suck balls compared to the sun in parts of california and colorado, or places on the equator. But if you wanna argue with scientists go ahead.



Actually, the homegown stuff is less powerfull, but has a much richer flavour due to being grown slower.
Terribly incorrect, due to tumbling, lack of UVB, etc. If you haven't read about the tests they've done on the netherlands potency when it acclimated, then I can't really help you. I'm not your teacher, and you're incredibly ignorant of things you choose to discuss.

If you're too stupid to realize that you can take care of 10 to 20 plants a lot better than you can take care of thousands, I dunno what else to say.


Could be, *or* local production makes import not too profitable and pot has a poor return profit-to-volume wise.

Which is why cartels that make billions of dollars use their money they've earned from coke and meth to grow&sell more weed, right?


Stick to your fireworks, or your leet double salts lol

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.

Plus, in many parts of the US, there's an assload of UV rich sunshine. You don't get that in the netherlands and that's why their weed is inferior. It acclimated to their low UV environment, so the potency went down. Adding UV to an indoor grow costs way too much too unless you're growing it for yourself. That's why homegrown in the netherlands is often better, more attention to detail.

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But you know, I think you're right about the weed being coated in the US. Take a look at this mexican I bought for real cheap.

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That looks like trichromes to me.
LOL. Move to another country for weed. You must be one devoted pothead to do something like that.

And you are the prick who thinks he is superior or leet to everyone. Because you have teh real mushroom trips and you live in the US where the weed is the best. do you realize how stupid of a statment that is? that the netherlands has inferior weed. Most weed on the market in the us and the netherlands is indoor grown, so that large amount of UV your talking about does not matter. do us all a favor and go do your best drugs in the world and stfu. you are obviously the one who judges who has the best weed in the world. You do realize that every state, province, territory, and country all claims to have the best weed? And you sound like just another douche claiming to have the best weed.

i guess you are an expert on drug cartels also right?
But dude, the US is going to be alright again once obama gets into office.
you are in for a big suprise.

When I found tobacco in my shwag once, I nearly made a canoe out of someone's head.

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Wow dude you are so cool. Youbrag about killing people over weed. Its not like they put a gun to your head and made you buy it. You clearly should not own a gun. The only time you should pull a gun is to defend your life or someone elses. That is not a reason to kill at all. Very mature of you. I know of 5 year olds that have a better grasp of when a gun should be used than you.

The US is a friendly english speaking country, so I can't figure out why more english people don't move to the US to get away from the bad weed.
If someone wants to move thousands of miles for bud and give up the life they have, they are either an ignorant teenybopper, someone with no life, or views pot as their golden calf (aka a retard). Now it is obvious that you are just a teeny-weeny who is oblivious to the real world, but I will not fault you because we all go through that stage.

Congrats bro, your asinine posts in this thread have earned you this very humble award. Hope you like it! :)

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Of course, with this award comes with the branding of "GRADE A JACKASS"

*brands you on the forehead* Alright boy, you're good to go!

If someone wants to move thousands of miles for bud and give up the life they have, they are either an ignorant teenybopper, someone with no life, or views pot as their golden calf (aka a retard). Now it is obvious that you are just a teeny-weeny who is oblivious to the real world, but I will not fault you because we all go through that stage.

Congrats bro, your asinine posts in this thread have earned you this very humble award. Hope you like it! :)

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Of course, with this award comes with the branding of "GRADE A JACKASS"

*brands you on the forehead* Alright boy, you're good to go!

QFT. Fucking know-it-all mother fucker who thinks he is the shit.

And he is so cool because he can eat 50 shrooms and that is a real trio while others who dont need to waste there money on large amounts to trip have "fake trips."

LOL. Move to another country for weed. You must be one devoted pothead to do something like that.
And you must be one devoted pothead to smoke some weed that you know is tainted with an unknown bullshit substance which may or may not fuckup your lungs/kill you.

So if you're devoted enough to smoke garbage and potentially put your life at risk, why is the suggestion of moving for better weed so ridiculous?

The answer is: It's not ridiculous at all, for any garbage smoking retard that would actually consider the idea. But then again, you're probably not a retard to consider the idea, and you must be one to be smoking that shit.



And you are the prick who thinks he is superior or leet to everyone.
Like I said before, I'm never a prick for no good reason. And I don't really believe I'm superior, I just like to pretend I am to piss dickheads off, and it works quite well.





Most weed on the market in the us and the netherlands is indoor grown,
Your wiggerness is showing. If you really believe that, you are one incredibly dumb wigger.


so that large amount of UV your talking about does not matter.
It does matter quite a lot actually. A lot of the weed in the netherlands is grown outdoors in soil or aquaponic ponds. Which produces some fantastic stuff, but it should have more UVB. In the netherlands, it's actually best to grow indoors if you're growing for potency, because they do get a low amount of UV, and anyone with a UV meter can tell you this.

But I like how moko pulled this out of his ass "UV across the world does not vary much, blah blah"


The lights on the market are constantly improving, so one day they may have the perfect light, but for now they don't even come close.


do us all a favor and go do your best drugs in the world and stfu. you are obviously the one who judges who has the best weed in the world. You do realize that every state, province, territory, and country all claims to have the best weed? And you sound like just another douche claiming to have the best weed.

i guess you are an expert on drug cartels also right? Blah blah blah. You all make it too easy.

ITT: Some douche above me who takes weed far too seriously.

And you must be one devoted pothead to smoke some weed that you know is tainted with an unknown bullshit substance which may or may not fuckup your lungs/kill you.

So if you're devoted enough to smoke garbage and potentially put your life at risk, why is the suggestion of moving for better weed so ridiculous?

The answer is: It's not ridiculous at all, for any garbage smoking retard that would actually consider the idea. But then again, you're probably not a retard to consider the idea, and you must be one to be smoking that shit.


Like I said before, I'm never a prick for no good reason. And I don't really believe I'm superior, I just like to pretend I am to piss dickheads off, and it works quite well.




Your wiggerness is showing. If you really believe that, you are one incredibly dumb wigger.

It does matter quite a lot actually. A lot of the weed in the netherlands is grown outdoors in soil or aquaponic ponds. Which produces some fantastic stuff, but it should have more UVB. In the netherlands, it's actually best to grow indoors if you're growing for potency, because they do get a low amount of UV, and anyone with a UV meter can tell you this.

But I like how moko pulled this out of his ass "UV across the world does not vary much, blah blah"


The lights on the market are constantly improving, so one day they may have the perfect light, but for now they don't even come close.

Blah blah blah. You all make it too easy.

You are a retard. I am in the US dude. It doesnt matter what country your in you can still get tainted weed. I am not at all a wigger and I dont know where the fuck you keep getting that from. And dude it is completely rediculus to suggest that. What are you dependant upon the weed or addicted? Just DONT FUCKING SMOKE IT IF IT HAS ADULTERANTS/CONTAMINANTS. I am sorry you do not get quality weed just like you get shitty shrooms. The weed I get is quality and usually indoor grown weed unless i get mexican brick schwagg which is obviously not indoor and i dont care for that anyway. i get sensimilla buddy and it is pretty good. but I am not going to act like a douche and say my state or country has the best weed because who the fuck knows who has the best weed and you certainly do not know.

Like I believe I told you before, I am more redneck than anything since I like hunting and fishing. But I do listen to hiphop but not exclusively. And it is not the bullshit on the radio/tv. I dont talk,dress or act like a wigger. I dont try and slang drugs or do stupid shit a wigger would. If anything you are the wigger "I busted a cap in his head with my .357," over some weed. You are real cool dude. Take the .357 and use it on your self you piece of shit. That really didn't make you sound cool it just made you sound like an asshole cold blooded killer. I think these expert growers are going to know what they are doing so once again kindly STFU; you think you know it all. Also, if you really were a know it all you would understand a thing or two about ballistics and a .357mag does not make a canoe in someones head. little entry wound and bigger exit wound, not at all a conoe.

Do you smoke 2 ounces of weed per session also? i bet you would be pissed than I only need .2-.3 of a gram to get high. Of course it is not a real high though because you are the authority or the one who knows when everyone actually trips or gets high.

That looks like trichromes to me.


Trichromes? Wuts dat.

Btw I never said I killed anyone.


If someone wants to move thousands of miles for bud and give up the life they have, they are either an ignorant teenybopper

Actually if they want to move that far and leave the extremely shitty place they live in behind, it just means they have the money to do it. You'd have to be an ignorant teenybopper to smoke weed laced with glue and sugar, though. Which makes me an ignorant teeny bopper, cause my weed is clearly coated mexican. Oh well.

It's sad to see so many english people that are so vain. They think they've still got an empire, when it's really just a paki infested shithole. They let immigrants pour in and take over their country, so it'll be sand nigger land before long.

I can't relate much though, because I never felt like the US was my country. And it had pakies and other immigrants to begin with, so it's not as if I feel I'm losing anything. I lived here all my life, so I pretty much have no real culture like the english do. No culture to lose. Nothing really.

It's always been multiculural for me and I'm not purely caucasian either. I feel bad for the english though, cause if they'd pull their heads outta their asses they could keep england english, rather than letting it turn into paki land.

Anyway, that's way off topic. Topic starter, I apologize for the hijacking. I'll stop responding to these pointless e fighters.

Trichromes? Wuts dat.

Btw I never said I killed anyone.



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When I found tobacco in my shwag once, I nearly made a canoe out of someone's head.

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ahh, i missed the word nearly. You still dont look like a badass dude. You look like a jack ass. Your magnum handgun does not make you look cool. There was no point for that to be in this thread.

If you want to chat or e fight, we can do that in private with a messenger of some sort. I can answer a lot of questions you may have then, too.

stfu. I dont want to chat with you fag. I want you to quit acting like oyu know it all.

stfu. I dont want to chat with you fag. I want you to quit acting like oyu know it all.

You need to calm down, son. I've made a fool outta you and pissed you off countless times and it was very easy. But it's just words on your monitor. Stop taking it so seriously. I want to chat with you because you have some problems and I want to help you with them. I don't actually want to e fight you.

I'm allergic to violence, and I can't really stand guns because I think they're dirty. They are dirty actually. That's why there's warnings on ammo boxes, warning you to wash your hands after handling. But I can't deny that if someone messed with the weed I bought, I may end up killing them.

Anyhoo, you should chat with me. I'm cool and stuff.

You need to calm down, son. I've made a fool outta you and pissed you off countless times and it was very easy.

No. You just made a fool out of yourself.

No. You just made a fool out of yourself.

I pwnt everyone that challenged me in this thread, and then I retired as champion. I don't think that counts as making a fool out of myself, so I'd definitely like to know what you've been smoking.

I pwnt everyone that challenged me in this thread, and then I retired as champion. I don't think that counts as making a fool out of myself, so I'd definitely like to know what you've been smoking.

Nothing, actually.

I'm just saying you're a fool for suggesting moving to a different country for slightly better weed.

OMG air is better in the Highlands i'm gonna move there.


Nah.

Aus weed is good. We get heaps on sun shine, not much rain/cold mornings/frost/etc so it's good for growing bushies.

Everyone should move to nepal.....mj grows as a weed there :)(and it's everywhere)

I want to try a good australian landrace sativa. Should be extremely good. But hard to find. I've read a bit about them. I read about the hole in the ozone layer in australia. It would be interesting to try a uv meter there. It supposedly has crazy levels of UV. There doesn't seem to be enough breeders in australia. But I don't know much about the place.

And you guys have that australian bastard weed. Does evveryone remember that stuff? Very crazy!
the weirdest known cannabis strain!

www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1651.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4292.html
Original article where it was first revealed:
www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1485.html
I pwnt everyone that challenged me in this thread, and then I retired as champion. I don't think that counts as making a fool out of myself, so I'd definitely like to know what you've been smoking.I dont know about that the general consensus seems to be you are a jackass. since you did receive the jackass award!

And you guys have that australian bastard weed. Does evveryone remember that stuff? Very crazy!
the weirdest known cannabis strain!

www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1651.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4292.html
Original article where it was first revealed:
www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1485.html
I dont know about that the general consensus seems to be you are a jackass. since you did receive the jackass award!

A few butt-hurt retards in an internet forum called me a jackass, so it must be true! Since you're being stubborn I'll just tell you here, the reason you seem like a wigger is because of your username and the way you type/talk. You make yourself seem like a moronic wigger with your shitty spelling and lack of proper cannabis knowledge. chronic is not a strain you moron, they're not trichromes you moron, they're trichomes.

Chronic is a word used by wiggers and other trash people to describe good weed. It's generic and idiotic. Learn how to spell and type with all of your fingers instead of just two of them, get medication for your adhd/bipolar and dyslexia. Fucking retard.

I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out why you're clearly a retard but you left me with no choice. And if any of you retards knew anything about cannabis, you'd have recognized the bud in the pics I posted and why they're far from "mexican at 40 an ounce", and you may have even been able to recognize which part of the world it originates in. The majority of people in this forum are worthless maggots but this is not new to me.

You should've watched the show on the national geographic channel. It actually told the truth and you might've learned something.

I pwnt everyone that challenged me in this thread, and then I retired as champion. I don't think that counts as making a fool out of myself, so I'd definitely like to know what you've been smoking.

Your a champion cause your continuously brought my thread off topic?

Fucking de-railing twat.

Your a champion cause your continuously brought my thread off topic?

Fucking de-railing twat.

Well, it's educating them. They're learning from it. But I'll stop... Not sure why you're so angry though since it's just a topic on an internet forum... A shitty one too, no offense. I'd probably be angry too though, if I were getting weed laced with something that looked like elephant jizz. Hmmmm.... You know, there are people that frequent this forum that would smoke it even if it had elephant jizz in it and they knew it. crimsonsmoke and reject come to mind...

Some of the funniest fucking "Facts" i've read today.... man, (949something) your claims UVB levels having an impact on potency IN NATURAL ENVIROMENT, while tests were done with FILTERED UVB at intensity much higher than anywhere naturally avaliable, which resulted in SLIGHT increase in potency due to CBN>THC conversion ratio. Now guess how much impact UVB has in NATURAL OUTDOOR ENVIROMENT? Fucking near 0.

Also guess what did worldwide famous cannabis conisseuers say about world regions and cannabis potency (like Rosenthal for ex.) BC, amsterdam, and california are classified in the same league (outdoor only) not only because growers are all equaly skilled, but because places like Jamaica, Greece, India, Nepal, Thailand, Brazil, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, Ethiopia, Colombia and Morocco. YES ALL THESE PLACES HAVE MUCH MUCH BETTER OUTDOOR WEED THAN EITHER CALI and 'DAM and BC. Exotics from these places have been growing in these climates in those soils for centuries adapting to that specific enviroment and that is where world got the most of its cannabis' genetics from.

I suggest reading about the HISTORY of cannabis, not just suggesting shit based on current geographical trends/ national geographic channel LOLWUT

Also, reread what you wrote jackass:

"and you may have even been able to recognize which part of the world it originates in"
Yea because looks of any fucking strain are strictly tied to specific parts of the world, as if you were unable to grow the same EXACT shit here AND there. fucks sake.

"The majority of people in this forum are worthless maggots" Are you mad because everyone called you out on being a dumbass? or because you just realized you are a worthless maggot on this forum? Dont answer because noone cares :)

I notice someone said there was weed with lead dust in germany. That's incredibly fucked up. As retarded as some of you are, I still wouldn't be happy about you smoking any tainted weed. You guys should be careful... There's going to be an increase in attacks on westerners apparently, according to some articles. And it's been suggested many times that they want to poison drugs. They were going to pay the colombians to lace coke with some kind of poison but they wouldn't do it cause it's bad for business, but that doesn't mean they can't lace it on their own.

Well, it's educating them. They're learning from it. But I'll stop... Not sure why you're so angry though since it's just a topic on an internet forum... A shitty one too, no offense. I'd probably be angry too though, if I were getting weed laced with something that looked like elephant jizz. Hmmmm.... You know, there are people that frequent this forum that would smoke it even if it had elephant jizz in it and they knew it. crimsonsmoke and reject come to mind...


If it is such a shitty topic why post in it so much then huh?

I only posted it it do people a favour so they realise the shit that is possibly in their weed. A lot of people don't realise how bad it is. Why not make your own America vs the World drug thread?

Thermal just owned this thread.

Some of the funniest fucking "Facts" i've read today.... man, (949something) your claims UVB levels having an impact on potency IN NATURAL ENVIROMENT, while tests were done with FILTERED UVB at intensity much higher than anywhere naturally avaliable, which resulted in SLIGHT increase in potency due to CBN>THC conversion ratio. Now guess how much impact UVB has in NATURAL OUTDOOR ENVIROMENT? Fucking near 0.


Umm, no dude. Re-read the research articles. There's quite a significant increase. Not just a slight increase in potency. And it wasn't much higher than any place found on earth. Certain lights will produce a much higher level than any place on earth, even reptile lights, but they're not producing a large enough beam so it's not going to work like the sun will, even with a light mover. A lot of growers have tried it and confirmed it to work, although I see no point in trying to do it indoors until they come up with better lights.


It definitely is more potent where there's more UVB. Why do you think natural potency is directly correlated with levels of UVB? The most potent strains are found where there's high levels of it. The problem with doing it artificially as I already explained, is that there aren't any lights which are even close to as efficient as the sun in the right regions.



Also guess what did worldwide famous cannabis conisseuers say about world regions and cannabis potency (like Rosenthal for ex.) BC, amsterdam, and california are classified in the same league (outdoor only) not only because growers are all equaly skilled, but because places like Jamaica, Greece, India, Nepal, Thailand, Brazil, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, Ethiopia, Colombia and Morocco. YES ALL THESE PLACES HAVE MUCH MUCH BETTER OUTDOOR WEED THAN EITHER CALI and 'DAM and BC.

I never said these places didn't have better weed, if you had a better attention span you'd realize that.

And do you know why the weed is more potent in these places? You're fucking yourself in the ass with that one lol. Not even gonna bother.



Exotics from these places have been growing in these climates in those soils for centuries adapting to that specific enviroment and that is where world got the most of its cannabis' genetics from.
You're repeating basic facts as if it's going to make you look smart.


I suggest reading about the HISTORY of cannabis, not just suggesting shit based on current geographical trends/ national geographic channel LOLWUT


The NGC comment was for him not knowing what trichomes were, among other things. He lacks basic knowledge.



Also, reread what you wrote jackass:

"and you may have even been able to recognize which part of the world it originates in"
Yea because looks of any fucking strain are strictly tied to specific parts of the world, as if you were unable to grow the same EXACT shit here AND there. fucks sake.
lol, I don't expect retarded teeny boppers like the ones smoking glue to understand or to be able to tell which strain it is, or even which region it's from.


"The majority of people in this forum are worthless maggots" Are you mad because everyone called you out on being a dumbass? or because you just realized you are a worthless maggot on this forum? Dont answer because noone cares :)
Everyone as in, a few retards? There was about 5 of them I think. Anyway, you and ilovechronic should help each other learn things, like how to type properly.

If it is such a shitty topic why post in it so much then huh?

I only posted it it do people a favour so they realise the shit that is possibly in their weed. A lot of people don't realise how bad it is.
You did the right thing.



Why not make your own America vs the World drug thread?

I'm not implying that "america" is better than these other places. Simply that it's easier to produce the best weed in them, than it is in england or the netherlands. You can get the same strain no matter where you are, but if the climate is shitty you'll spend a lot of money trying to get the plants full potential.

Now if we're comparing non english speaking countries or non european, then there's quite a lot that can produce better bud than the US. I never denied this but some adhd ridden teens seem to fail to realize this.

But I promise I'll stop hijacking it now. I doubt there's many more kids that need to be educated at this point.

it's been suggested many times that they want to poison drugs. They were going to pay the colombians to lace coke with some kind of poison but they wouldn't do it cause it's bad for business, but that doesn't mean they can't lace it on their own.

Source? Sounds pretty crazy and seeing as drugs and the commericalism and western culture/stigma attatched to them especially that in more expensive ones like coke is very much against the whole muslim belief ect.. Makes sense. Still on the other hand afghanistan is one of the biggest producers of heroin, given that as its their main source of funding do you think they would poison it and loose all their potential future funding? Again if they were to do that and a large batch of blatantly poisoned drugs was going around the authorities, dealers and users would pick up on it pretty quickly and we all know how fast news, roumors, exaggerations and eventually urban legends spread in the drug community. Of course people would die but that would be over pretty quickly before people realised how dangerous the batch was and any further people to die would probably be more a case of darwinism cleaning our gene pool as only the people stupid/desperate enough would take them.

And you guys have that australian bastard weed. Does evveryone remember that stuff? Very crazy!
the weirdest known cannabis strain!

www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1651.html (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1651.html)
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4292.html
Original article where it was first revealed:
www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1485.html (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1485.html)


Looks pretty interesting, im going to have to get some of those seeds and polinate a plant or two before planting them all over. This might have potential for all those people in the past who have talked about introducing it into the wild (in remoteish areas) properly. Crossed with a high yeilding potent auto strain like auto AK this could have big potential if it was possible to combine the traits of both.

Source? Sounds pretty crazy and seeing as drugs and the commericalism and western culture/stigma attatched to them especially that in more expensive ones like coke is very much against the whole muslim belief ect.. Makes sense. Still on the other hand afghanistan is one of the biggest producers of heroin, given that as its their main source of funding do you think they would poison it and loose all their potential future funding?

Again if they were to do that and a large batch of blatantly poisoned drugs was going around the authorities, dealers and users would pick up on it pretty quickly and we all know how fast news, roumors, exaggerations and eventually urban legends spread in the drug community. Of course people would die but that would be over pretty quickly before people realised how dangerous the batch was and any further people to die would probably be more a case of darwinism cleaning our gene pool as only the people stupid/desperate enough would take them.


The problem is, heroin addicts don't care. They'll snort dogshit if they think there's heroin in it. Another problem is, a lot of these poisons won't show any symptoms for months or years even, until the damage has been done, depending on the amount used and the particular poisons.

This is a problem that wouldn't just harm worthless people. There's plenty of smart useful people that would be harmed.

A few butt-hurt retards in an internet forum called me a jackass, so it must be true! Since you're being stubborn I'll just tell you here, the reason you seem like a wigger is because of your username and the way you type/talk. You make yourself seem like a moronic wigger with your shitty spelling and lack of proper cannabis knowledge. chronic is not a strain you moron, they're not trichromes you moron, they're trichomes.

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LOLOLOL how does that imply that it is a strain name. YOU ARE THE MORON, and you are delusional. Quit doing drugs you crazy fuck. You think I dont know what strains are? I have plenty of cannibis knowledge. I have done a couple grows myself and smoked weed for 6 years. Chronic is aka as dank, ,kb,kindbud, sensimilla, good weed. It is just what it is called in my area dude. I am not the only one that calls it chronic. not everyone does shit YOUR WAY DUDE. The world does not revolve around you! Does my username say Ilovethestrainchronic? No. Chronic is just a slang term for potent cannabis around here. And yes it is spelled trichomes but it is commonly misspelled astrichromes, type trichromes in on google. Spelling it wrong does not mean I dont know what they are it just means I spelled it wrong you dumbshit.

That's ridiculous. Why do you think I'm a prick?

I'm working by what I've got to go on, so far you ahven't exactly proven me wrong

It's not like I said "uk and netherlands sux balls" or something like that. I just like to point out the reasons why the weed in the US is better and can be quite a lot better if you grow it yourself.


I can come up with a hundred bogus reasons about anything, doesn't make it so.



As for the health care and all that, I've never had a problem with any of it. I doubt many people that move here would either. You seem to believe that there's black boogy men waiting around every corner to get you in the US. There's actually a ton of cities and states where there's hardly any crime at all. And everything else you mentioned varies quitie a lot according to the demographics.



I know, I've traveled across the US, I have family over there, but I am also acquainted with matters in Europe and how the average European would feel about moving to the US.


So I guess the scientists are completely wrong when they talk about UVB increasing the potency...


Well, if you were to produce something a scietist has said, I'll give it a fair reading.


And they're wrong about there being much higher levels of UVB the closer you are to the sun or equator.


That's what I said ... about you.


I suppose I should listen to you rather than scientists, considering you play with fireworks and even make your own. Damn that's leet.


I haven't made any worthwhile fireworks in years, I have -on the other hand- earned multiple academic credits in the field of chemistry and am close to getting a degree in chemistry.


Too bad potency tests do not go well with your theory.


And what potency test would you be referring to? After buggeriing about scientists, I'll not accept anything less than clinical trials to persuade me from believing you are utterly and completely full of shit.

Yes, netherlands has some very potent weed, but they don't have the most potent weed.


Then who does? And can you prove it?

If you look at the numbers from the tests, there isn't actually any "insanely potent" weed


Care to show me the numbers?

, it all evens out when you're looking at the places that produce the best and comparing them.


That makes as much sense as a bunny riding a cat into battle to fight a patch of cabbages.



The US happens to have better weed because of the growing climates.



You're ideas on this matter happen to be faulty


People like you tend to continue the myth of weed in the 60s and 70s not being very potent. Which is actually just propaganda.



I never said that, so that makes you a liar. I actually believe th opposite, but I'll not nag about it since I wasn't around then and I'll not deceptionally claim to know anything about that period ... unlike some others.



Mercury lamps are extremely inefficient and produce a rather small UVB beam and too much heat.



Often true, but the matter was price.

Not nearly enough of what you'd want to get the full potential from the plants It would cost quite a lot to have enough UVB from these mercury lamps to get the full potential of the plants, due to the poor efficiency.

Zero UV emission suffies to get the maximal potential from plants.


Specialty incandescents is where it's at, although they're not made for that purpose, so they too suck balls compared to the sun in parts of california and colorado, or places on the equator. But if you wanna argue with scientists go ahead.


What scientists? Care to tell me which ones you're talking about?



Terribly incorrect, due to tumbling, lack of UVB, etc. If you haven't read about the tests they've done on the netherlands potency when it acclimated, then I can't really help you. I'm not your teacher, and you're incredibly ignorant of things you choose to discuss.


Your claim of me being ignorant doesn't make it true. You have not posted any evidence of your claims, have not cited any journal, published work or quote. For all that it's worth, you are as much a liar as you seek to insinuate I am ignorant.


If you're too stupid to realize that you can take care of 10 to 20 plants a lot better than you can take care of thousands, I dunno what else to say.


I you are too stupid to see I never said anything of the like, there is no point in arguing with you.


Which is why cartels that make billions of dollars use their money they've earned from coke and meth to grow&sell more weed, right?


No they don't.


Stick to your fireworks, or your leet double salts lol

Make me.

a lot of these poisons won't show any symptoms for months or years even, until the damage has been done, depending on the amount used and the particular poisons.


Holy shit, they add LSD to heroin now so in the future they will trip balls and get completely fucked up?!

Fibre glass, silicon, sand.
Smoking these won't kill you off the bat. Long term use will fuck your lungs up though and possibly kill you.

To the guy who says the authorities will catch on, do you not realise they see it as a win if drugs are contamniated? Sure people will get hurt but only "low life druggies" and obviously dealers are only resorting to this because of the sucess of their anti drug policies.

You think the dealers will catch on? You do realise half the weight of that bud was lost after I cleaned it up? Which means more profits. Sure some might care but not many. A lot of drugs are supplied by gangs whos only concern is cash.

Now the users will catch on, but this takes a while and a lot of contamination is not so blatant so as to be obvious. Even I have smoked a lot of contaminated shit and I am someone who can actually be bothered to perform these random experiments. Many do not realise at least not for a while and as is shown by this thread a lot of you are very easily distacted :P


Anyhow the real problem is not with hard drugs. Most of them are high priced enough due to higher punishments that there is good money to be made without them being adulterated. Weed is cheaper for larger bulk, if you can double the weight then you make a lot more. If they are it was probably by some junkie needing some quick cash. With cannabis it is happening far higher up the chain and a lot. I mean in my hometown when it appeared 90% of bud you would buy was contaminated if you wanted something clean you had to find one of the rare local growers.

Well, if you were to produce something a scietist has said, I'll give it a fair reading. I've done this many times on this site. Posted links to proper sources. A lot of people are either too lazy, or too busy to look it up themselves, or more concerned with arguing than knowing more about the subject, or have poor google skills. Although I don't think I can find anything to prove you wrong.



I haven't made any worthwhile fireworks in years, I have -on the other hand- earned multiple academic credits in the field of chemistry and am close to getting a degree in chemistry. I know you're good at chemistry and I know you've been studying it. I think you're intelligent but odd somehow. Sort of like autistic. You overlook certain things.


Then who does? And can you prove it?


I haven't got a clue who has the best weed out of all the regions in the world but I think it would be stupid to say the netherlands has the most potent out of all of them, Or that any one country/place has better weed than the rest of the world. Cause it can change so quickly. When I said the US can produce the best, I mean comparing the US to england, netherlands and canada and a lot of other places with shitty climates.

Like I've said many times, you can get any strain anywhere, no matter where you are, so that doesn't matter. My opinion is that what matters is the region. It's the old indoor versus outdoor argument.I'm going with outdoor based on what I've read.


Care to show me the numbers?

www.google.com


The fact that weed was still very potent back in the 60s and 70s despite government propaganda,was because it was imported so often from perfect climates, usually with lots of UVB. Less of the good stuff is imported nowadays but the great strains from places like Oaxaca Mexico,Thailand, Colombia, etc have been used to create most of the more popular faster maturing hybrids that are said to be the most potent, which people usually order online or get from people they know.


No they don't.


But they do. I don't know much about things in africa but I'm sure the reason they don't ship more of it out is because it's so good. If you consider what the mexican cartels will do for it, which like I said is use their money from other drugs to hire more people and get more supplies to grow weed. The reason is because it costs a lot less to do gigantic weed grow ops than it does to buy all the shit for other drugs. A lot of these people they hire to grow it are dirt poor to begin with so they don't have to pay them nearly as much. It's more profitable than a lot of other drugs because it costs a lot less, especially outdoors. So you're wrong about that.

In africa, there's tons of open space, forests and jungles with extremely rich soil and plains and a lot of the people there have AK47s because of all the wars and crime, and they guard their crops just like the mexicans do. These two regions of the world are very similar. They produce tons of weed. High quality weed. What the other guy pointed out unknowingly was that the more potent weed is usually near the equator or at higher altitudes where there's more UVB, or in regions where the low amount of clouds allows a lot of UVB to pass through.

Cartels usually don't bother trying to get oaxacan sativa or other of the better slower maturing varieties through the US border or growing it in the US. Cartels usually prefer a quicker crop.

Same with a lot of other mexican and south american areas. They'd rather keep the good stuff to themselves. africans and mexicans also dislike caucasians and don't trust them. Given the level of sophistication of a lot of africa's organized criminals, I'd say they could easily ship quite a bit more than they do to europe if they wanted and possibly make more money doing that.

I think the reason for this --> http://www.trimbos.nl/default22752.html is because it acclimated to a low UV environment. Although I don't know the full details of their work, so I can't really be sure if that's good evidence. I'd have to know where the hash was imported from, sample sizes, etc. It's not really a secret that their most potent strains come from places with high levels of UV. What they've had to do is breed their plants to retain the potency, but these plants can still become more potent with UVB because it's still in their genetic code. Some respond sooner to UVB than others, but most can adapt by increasing their potency. A lot of plants can adapt to UV light and many use trichomes to do it. Cannabis is not the only herb to do this and increase its potency because of it.

Not only can they adapt, but UVB is often beneficial. Greenhouse manufacturers have started using UVB transparent materials because of this reason. You seemed to think UV can only harm plants, so you have obviously overlooked some things. Most of the breeders, growers and activists, will agree about UVB increasing potency, from what I've seen.

http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/11/1489

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/3/980.full

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/126/3/1012

http://www.hempfood.com/IHA/iha01201.html

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=4761150

I don't know if I can prove you wrong or not but that's unimportant. My opinion is that UVB increases potency. So far no one has provided any sources explaining why it doesn't increase potency and I've found a lot of evidence that it very well might increase potency which will probably be overlooked by most people that have been bitching at me.

""Cowpea (Vigna unguiculata L. Walp.) seedlings (3-day-old) were subjected to 4 kinds of experimental treatments: (1) control without exposure to any stress (−D-UV), (2) moderate water stress with no UV-B irradiation (+D-UV), (3) no water stress but to UV-B radiation (−D+UV). and (4)moderate water stress and exposure to UV-B (+D+UV). UV-B and drought stress in the combined form elicited beneficial effects on the morphological and growth characteristics, and a few additive inhibitory effects in some functional processes. An increase in the specific leaf weight (SLW) was observed in the combination of stresses, which could be a defence mechanism against UV-B. The combination of stresses promoted the synthesis of anthocyanins and phenolic compounds. The responses of plants to the combination of stresses indicate that during simultaneous exposure of plants to multiple stresses, one form of stress could minimize the damage by the other. The enhancement of superoxide dismutase (SOD) and catalase activities appear to serve as acclimation mechanisms to scavenge the toxic, free radicals of oxygen produced under stress conditions. However, the inhibition in nitrate metabolism was greater in the combined stresses than in either of the stresses imposed separately. The results of this study illustrate that the interaction of stresses during simultaneous multiple stress conditions brings out certain beneficial effects.""


My own smoking experiences and the people I've known that've travelled the world and smoked everywhere, and the people I've known that've lived in the 60s and 70s and travelled a lot, have also lead me to believe UVB increases potency, or at least makes the high better somehow. I could be totally wrong in thinking it increases potency but I don't see any reason to doubt it yet.

Finally fixed it. I don't think we should stretch this guys topic so if anyone's got any interesting info which proves me wrong or is just interesting I'll read it but I'm not gonna keep posting big replies.

The problem is, heroin addicts don't care. They'll snort dogshit if they think there's heroin in it. Another problem is, a lot of these poisons won't show any symptoms for months or years even, until the damage has been done, depending on the amount used and the particular poisons.

This is a problem that wouldn't just harm worthless people. There's plenty of smart useful people that would be harmed.

Have you been a heroin addict? Probably not so you cannot sit there and generalize and stereotype heroin addicts into 1 group. there are many different heroin addicts. This shows your ignorance and how you talk out of your ass about things you dont know about.

here is an example,, on the east coast there was fentnyl laced dope going around and people were dropping dead from it. The news about that spread like wild fire and it was quickly taken of the drug market. If dope was laced with feces people are not going to do it.

also if UVB light does increase potency then it does not really matter what country it is in. It just matter if it is higher altitude because higher altitudes have more UV.Seems like this covers what your talking about though:
www.420magazine.com/forums/budding-cycle/71198-elaboration-phytochemical-process-makes-thc.html

if UVB light does increase potency then it does not really matter what country it is in. It just matter if it is higher altitude because higher altitudes have more UV.

But not all higher altitude regions have the right weather, and not everyone can grow in those, like part of lebanon's mountainous region, forgot which, but it has too much moisture/clouds.

But not all higher altitude regions have the right weather, and not everyone can grow in those, like part of lebanon's mountainous region, forgot which, but it has too much moisture/clouds.

I am just saying it is a way to fix the problem if you don't live in the right uv conditions. When growing indoors you can get like 10% UV lights like for reptiles and stuff. Also, I posted an article tht seems to be explaining what your talking about^. It also shows a up close of outdoor grown trichomes and indoor, the indoor dont look as swollen.

")Cannabinoid pathway: Anywhere in this pathway UVB does a better job than UVA in energizing a phytochemical reaction that will produce more fully realized THC because "all cannabinolic compounds show an absorption maximum between 270 and 280 nm in the ultraviolet region."

Btw i fixed the fucking post. Fuck!

EDIT: Fixed it again.

oh morocco, interesting. Haven't heard a lot of great things about it though compared to other hash.

/reads ...


Refuses to back himself up ... Refuses to post evidence ... Posts google as a source ... calls me mentally handicapped

Ooh look: scientific data ...

First one: about bean plants

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Bean plants, okay well I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and entertain the possibility that cannabis has some similarities ... leaves grow thicker (which doesn't do jack to increase potency) "With regard to protective pigments (...) there was a substantial decrease in leaf area"

A loss of protective pigments in a plant you expose to large amounts of normal light ... do you honestly think that's a good idea.

Second site ... turns out to be about bugs ... let me, let me just let that sink in there ... you've posted a site ... about bugs!
No relevant effects on plants documented

Third site
Focussos on UV resistance and related enzymes ... ah there we go: secondary metabolism

"UV-induced changes in plant morphology include increased leaf thickness, altered leaf shape, increased axillary branching, smaller internodes, and decreased plant height"

None of those seem to be good effects.

"UV effects on secondary metabolism include accumulation of phenolic compounds like flavonoids, cinnamate esters, lignin, and tannin"

Now this is interesting! Not for pot, has no real bearing to it, but I learned something new, thanks for that.

Fourth site
Ah! you finally manage to post something on cannabis, let's read:

"In addition, the more intense ambient UV-B of the tropics, in combination with the UV-B lability of cannabidiol, may have influenced the evolution of an alternative biogenetic route from cannabigerol to tetrahydrocannabinol in some varieties."

UV breaks down cannabinoids, and has had an effect on genetics,what about the metabolism?

"While necessary to sustain photosynthesis, natural light contains biologically destructive ultraviolet radiation."

...

dude, did you even read this stuff?

"Their experiments demonstrate that under conditions of high UV-B exposure, drug-type Cannabis produces significantly greater quantities of THC."

Ah, now this is interesting, wonder where this is going ...

"UV-B selection pressures seem responsible for the distribution of THC-rich Cannabis varieties in areas of high ambient radiation"

Right, so in areas with elevated amounts of UV, cannabis plants with High THC levels thrived, and replaced the less potent ones through evolution. THC levels are a genetic trait, not a result of UVB absorption. The strains cultivated indoors in America or Europe are imports, selected for their higher amounts of THC.

Irradiating them with cell destroying UV light will not cause them to generate more THC, it'll just damage their foliage, alter their growth and cause your plants to lose color.

/reads ...

dude, did you even read this stuff?


I think maybe you didn't read it, nor did you read everything I said. I said "I can't prove you wrong" but you implied UV is only harmful to plants and that there's never a benefit. That's why I posted the links which you didn't really read because they mention UV giving plants the ability to protect themselves from thrips and other pests.
It's not a secret that cannabinoids protect the cannabis plant from pest insects and fungal infections. Now if UVB is helping to protect these other plants, why is it unreasonable to you to consider that it's likely to do the same for cannabis by causing the plant to produce more trichomes and more THC which has a high affinity for UVB?

The evidence is there, you're just too lazy to read it and don't want to feel like you're wrong. I posted sources, you haven't posted any to indicate that I'm wrong.

4th link:
"The extent to which this production is also influenced by environmental UV-B induced stress has been experimentally determined by Lydon et al. (1987). Their experiments demonstrate that under conditions of high UV-B exposure, drug-type Cannabis produces significantly greater quantities of THC."

Despite this, there needs to be more research done before people can say "Oooh I believe you now" because someone can always find something wrong with a particular research study and argue that it proves nothing.

You're being stubborn and emotional because you feel that I've insulted canada by saying the US has better outdoor weed. Deny it all you want but that's the truth. You're being unreasonable. So your opinion doesn't matter anymore.

Most weed is grown indoors anyway, making the faggot's argument pretty moot.

Yea thanks to Mr 95096405687 random numbers for at least attempting to bring us back on topic.
No thanks to Mokothar the MOD though. You fail at modding why don't you make your own prove 964395437895 wrong thread? I mean obviously from the amount of bullshit you manage to bring up on the subject it is worthy of a topic of its own. I know this isn't the most interesting shit but it is important and all you fucks do is highjack :(

I think im gonna ignore this shit now. I will maybe post a picture of the "ash" from this pot it is pretty disgusting.

I think maybe you didn't read it, nor did you read everything I said. I said "I can't prove you wrong" but you implied UV is only harmful to plants and that there's never a benefit. That's why I posted the links which you didn't really read because they mention UV giving plants the ability to protect themselves from thrips and other pests.
It's not a secret that cannabinoids protect the cannabis plant from pest insects and fungal infections. Now if UVB is helping to protect these other plants, why is it unreasonable to you to consider that it's likely to do the same for cannabis by causing the plant to produce more trichomes and more THC which has a high affinity for UVB?

The evidence is there, you're just too lazy to read it and don't want to feel like you're wrong. I posted sources, you haven't posted any to indicate that I'm wrong.

4th link:
"The extent to which this production is also influenced by environmental UV-B induced stress has been experimentally determined by Lydon et al. (1987). Their experiments demonstrate that under conditions of high UV-B exposure, drug-type Cannabis produces significantly greater quantities of THC."

Despite this, there needs to be more research done before people can say "Oooh I believe you now" because someone can always find something wrong with a particular research study and argue that it proves nothing.

You're being stubborn and emotional because you feel that I've insulted canada by saying the US has better outdoor weed. Deny it all you want but that's the truth. You're being unreasonable. So your opinion doesn't matter anymore.

Well, I must admit that you've posted more evidence than I expected by far.

But that thing you posted: it's irrelevant if the plant produces more THC if it (the THC) gets destroyed by more incoming UV light.
Now, this does make me wonder about the effects of irradiating a plant for a short period of time in order to trigger an elevated THC production, and then leaving it under normal light to grow.

So, I'll admit that you can get higher THC levels if UV-B light is present, but I still question whether this will have an overall positive effect on the crop.

Well, I must admit that you've posted more evidence than I expected by far.But that thing you posted: it's irrelevant if the plant produces more THC if it (the THC) gets destroyed by more incoming UV light.

It's going to take a hell of a lot to destroy THC I think, or the plant just produces an excess to make up for any that's destroyed. When comparing many different types of sativa trichomes and calyxes.. My favorite is good well scorched sativa calyx from a climate with high UVB, with amber or cloudy but not clear, trichomes, that's nearing the end of its life with more of a brownish orangish color. To me there is no better high than this. Nothing that is happier and more enjoyable or energetic. It's almost too enjoyable. And in my opinion, allowing them to be pollinated at the right time will also increase potency. Maybe to protect the seeds, or maybe it's because the surface area increases, allowing for more trichomes... A lot of these calyxes which split open quite a lot when the seeds are ripe will partially dry out at this time and you can smoke them like this without drying. It's wonderful. The seeds pretty much just fall out if you shake them so removing them is not difficult. Weed snobs will snort and sneer at the idea of bud with seeds, but that's unimportant.

It's been said that sativas and sativa dominants can double or triple potency in the last few weeks of flowering and this may be a result of whatever makes the trichomes an amber color protecting the THC... But I dunno much about it.
Now, this does make me wonder about the effects of irradiating a plant for a short period of time in order to trigger an elevated THC production, and then leaving it under normal light to grow.

It would be easy to do with most strains, even sativas. Indoors for sativas, you could flower them early on so you don't need as much UVB light because they won't be very big anyway.
So, I'll admit that you can get higher THC levels if UV-B light is present.
when you consider that if you've been smoking 20+% thc strains regularly, adding a somewhat higher potency isn't going to make much of a difference. UVB would be more for if you're going to grow it yourself or if you really care about the full potential. A matter of personal preference. I just prefer to smoke sativa bud grown in a climate with lots of UVB like brazil or thailand or hawaii, or many of the mountainous regions in the nothern states.. In major metropolitan areas, you should be able to find weed imported from places like this, or at least order your seeds. You may even find people that will do custom grows for you. I just love the original classic sativas. Everything about them. I think certain plants crave UVB and I think it makes them happier, similar to how it makes us humans happier.

Anyway guys, bottom line is you're not hardcore for still smoking the weed when you know it's tainted. Don't do that. It doesn't make you cool.

ah shit, didnt realize i typed so much. sorry about that

Umm, no dude. Re-read the research articles. There's quite a significant increase. Not just a slight increase in potency. And it wasn't much higher than any place found on earth. Certain lights will produce a much higher level than any place on earth, even reptile lights, but they're not producing a large enough beam so it's not going to work like the sun will, even with a light mover. A lot of growers have tried it and confirmed it to work, although I see no point in trying to do it indoors until they come up with better lights.


Wow info from the '70s ? Funny, as in how we managed to complete a small grow with a supplement of 300w filtered tanning bulb that outputs more UVB than is given off at any place in the world.

Results are on rollitup.org search for topics tagged uvb.

In fact the bulbs had the uv spectrum ratios that are not encountered anywhere in nature and are much much better to use for growing than lights that would perfectly stimulate the outdoor uv spectrum because the UVB ratio is much higher than the rest of uv spectrum, unlike natural sunlight which in any region of the world will damage the plant if it was to provide as intense UVB as even 100w uvb bulb, why would it damage it? because natural sunlight has much more "bad" uv than "uv" (uvb) than 1000w hps combined with 300w uvb bulbs.

You are a fucking amish idiot if you think that our current grow light technology doesnt exceed natural sunlight's abilities to produce a potent product.

Using almost strictly uvb light we were only able to keep it on for 15 minutes 4 times a day without causing damage while providing ten times more uvb radiation in a 24hr period than any outdoor place on earth. The increase in potency vs. the control clone was quite noticeable, the high so to say was different, but overall it is quite apparent than with 90% less intensity (about what the highest equatorial lands receive in natural sunlight) there would be no significan change. Same results were documented by 2 more members.



It definitely is more potent where there's more UVB. Why do you think natural potency is directly correlated with levels of UVB? The most potent strains are found where there's high levels of it. The problem with doing it artificially as I already explained, is that there aren't any lights which are even close to as efficient as the sun in the right regions.


Im sure the moon cycles are also CORRELATED with strechmarks around your asshole. This nonsense is ridiculous. All other climate aspects along with soil content in each individual region dictates much more in terms of plants characteristic than a fraction of a border in light spectrum. No sources needed here, it is common sense among any horticulturist. You seem like you could be somewhat intelligent if you kept your research up to date instead of being such a close minded tool and with the latest "facts" and "sources" from the '70s


A matter of personal preference. I just prefer to smoke sativa bud grown in a climate with lots of UVB like brazil or thailand or hawaii, or many of the mountainous regions in the nothern state

You really dont know anything about this plant. You are not fooling anyone. Stating opinion like the one quoted above just proves how little you know about cannabis from other parts of the world, and the impact that climate and growing conditions have on quality of product. Go argue your silly point on natural uvb sources having much if any impact on the quality of the crop, on any serous cultivation specific forums, maybe they can help you understand such simple concepts... nah they will just laugh at you :)

Wow info from the '70s ? Funny, as in how we managed to complete a small grow with a supplement of 300w filtered tanning bulb that outputs more UVB than is given off at any place in the world.

Most seems to be from the 80s.
But regardless... You and a few other kids doing small grows with too much UVB doesn't prove anything either. You kids are not scientists.

Results are on rollitup.org search for topics tagged uvb.

Too much bullshit misinformation on rollitup by kids who think they're weed gods after doing a small grow or two.

You are a fucking amish idiot if you think that our current grow light technology doesnt exceed natural sunlight's abilities to produce a potent product.

Old argument, post a new topic if you want to argue about indoor versus outdoor. It's pretty clear to anyone that knows people who have done more than "small" grows with shitty little HID setups with a few random UVB lights added, that outdoor in the right region is better than your shitty little HID setups.

but overall it is quite apparent than with 90% less intensity (about what the highest equatorial lands receive in natural sunlight) there would be no significan change.

Because you grew in these places with a large sample size of various strains and clones and tested the potency of them in these places and compared it to indoor

Stop pretending you're a scientist. I don't care what you attempt to "document" , when you can show me real sources, then I may care about your opinion.

Go argue your silly point on natural uvb sources having much if any impact on the quality of the crop, on any serous cultivation specific forums Most of them seem to agree with me. You told me "nobody cares" but you respond because you're obviously butt-hurt and care that I'm right and you're wrong about your HID weed. No amount of pretending you're an expert is going to change that.

Seriously though, this time I'm really done stretching the topic. And I once again, retire as champion.

Just because you say you're the champion doesn't make it true.

I can say I'm the king of Kazakhstan, but it doesn't mean I am.

just a quick question, i did not read the first 6 pages so i don't know if this question has been asked but , did it get you high?

Most seems to be from the 80s.
You and a few other kids doing small grows with too much UVB doesn't prove anything either. You kids are not scientists.

Too much bullshit misinformation on rollitup by kids who think they're weed gods after doing a small grow or two.
(Sounds like someone who gets banned at their 7th post for repeatedly posting bullshit that everyone knows to be based on nonsense correlations such as your "research")

Stop pretending you're a scientist.

when you can show me real sources, then I may care about your opinion.
My sources are from the 80s.
I'm right and you're wrong about your HID weed.

Stop pretending you're a scientist.

No amount of pretending you're an expert is going to change that.

Stop pretending you're a scientist.

I'm right and you're wrong about your HID weed.

LOLYUSOANGRY? Quit crying and change your tampon already. Which reminds me to nominate you as the champion of tubgirl's tampon. Enjoy.

OP sorry about this im done here feel free to derail any of my threads for this :)

Yes.

I am shocked, an on topic post!!!!!!!
And I do not blame you for reading the first six pages it is all bullshit apart from like 3 posts. I would advise you to look at my picture though if you have not seen it yet.

Seriously you lot do realise there is a "new topic" button, all you have to do is click on it and you can talk about whatever you want.