all i can say is ha ha ha!

I now know where all the members near me live, google earth style.

remember though, not all the racists have joined the BNP, if someone isn't on that list doesn't mean they're not a massive racist.

I think the police (and all potential voters) should be put on a polygraph test and brain scanned to see if they harbour racist views, if they do, then it's death-camp time!

Enjoy your police state britfags.

Actually, this appears to be the final collapse of the police state....

Have you ever actually seen a Community Support Officer try to uphold the law?

I haven't.... be quite funny though I imagine...

Actually, this appears to be the final collapse of the police state....

Have you ever actually seen a Community Support Officer try to uphold the law?

I haven't.... be quite funny though I imagine...

Well obviously it's not a police state for you if you don't hold doubleplusungood views. Anyway those who do hold such views don't deserve the protection of the law anyway.
Since we've decided they want to infringe the rights of others we can safely decide that they don't have rights themselves - sucks to be them when reds firebomb their houses.

I aint gonna firebomb. just avoid.

Meh, no sympathy from me

1-he was police
2-he's a nazi

tough shit, at least old airstrip one does something right

No, he wasn't a Nazi. BNP does not have the same policies as the National Socialist German Worker's Party, therefor he is not a Nazi (National Socialist). I'm rather sure that the BNP will not be banning freedom of speech. And, no, there was no proof that the police officer in question was making judgements based on race. Now if 90% of the people he arrested were of foreign descent, maybe then they'd have a case. But from what I've understood, he wasn't.

No, he wasn't a Nazi. BNP does not have the same policies as the National Socialist German Worker's Party, therefor he is not a Nazi (National Socialist). I'm rather sure that the BNP will not be banning freedom of speech. And, no, there was no proof that the police officer in question was making judgements based on race. Now if 90% of the people he arrested were of foreign descent, maybe then they'd have a case. But from what I've understood, he wasn't.


I agree with you. He should only be fired based on his service, not his views.

But what was the official reason for him being fired? Can't he sue them, if he was in the right?

In a way I would like to defend him. I think free speech is great, but that isn't really the issue. The fact is that as a member of the BNP he is a racist he holds prejudices against certain people for no good reason. Someone like that should not be in a position of power over regular citizens, but then I am of the opinion the the police force should be far more picky in who it recruits anyway.

The police are judge, jury and executioner in alot of cases, like on-the-spot-fines, traffic offenses etc. If they are members of a racist party then....

So do you know him personally, or are you one of the sheeple who let the media tell them what to think? Either back up your viewpoint with hard facts, or STFU!

I hate the BNP. They're a fascist party. You can't argue that. They're also racist for some value of racist, and they're almost definitely quite violent.

But it is shitty that someone lost their job because of their political views. Of course, it isn't very surprising. Most European states have laws against "supporting terrorism", "Praising terrorism", or something like that, and the US is the US.

I hate the BNP. They're a fascist party. You can't argue that. They're also racist for some value of racist, and they're almost definitely quite violent.


http://bnp.org.uk/about-us/policies/
http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf

I can argue that, but first do you want to actually explain to us how they're fascist?

I don't think we should be putting people who have acted on their racist views (by joining the BNP) in the position where they have to use their discretion about using violent force on non-whites. When the police have the task of upholding the law without prejudice, it's an accident waiting to happen, whether the officer has any history of miscarriage or not. And besides, a sure fire way to alienate the immigrant population and turn those who aren't already actively anti the police into active criminals is to fill the police with openly racist officers.

Aside from the potential risk to some members of the general public, you've also got to consider that a significant number of British police officers are non-white, and that problems of discrimination have already been outed (http://64.233.183.132/search?q=cache:BlOJM_xKB8sJ:www.ligali.org/pdf/bbc_transcript_secret_policeman.pdf+The+Secret+Pol iceman+documentary&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk&client=firefox-a) to the public. If the police want to continue recruiting non-white officers, then they are going to have to show that the force is taking measures to distance itself from the image of being institutionally racist.

http://bnp.org.uk/about-us/policies/
http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf

I can argue that, but first do you want to actually explain to us how they're fascist?

They're speeding towards center, but fundamentally they're still fascist. They won't EVER use that word in their "about us" pages, but they are indeed fascist. They're racist and nationalist. They're hypocritical in that they'll accept assimilated, white non-English.

Fascism is a post-democratic regime, and usually only occurs after sweeping electoral success. The fact they want to be elected doesn't mean they aren't fascist.

They're speeding towards center, but fundamentally they're still fascist. They won't EVER use that word in their "about us" pages, but they are indeed fascist. They're racist and nationalist. They're hypocritical in that they'll accept assimilated, white non-English.

Fascism is a post-democratic regime, and usually only occurs after sweeping electoral success. The fact they want to be elected doesn't mean they aren't fascist.

Fascism is a bit more then just 'racism and nationalism'.
Also, it isn't hypocritical that they'll accept assimilated white non english if they're racist is it?

Why don't you point out which of their policies are characteristic of fascism?

As for the latter rubbish:
The Tories are speeding towards the center but fundamentally they're still fascist. Since fascism won't occur until after they're elected, the fact that they want to be elected doesn't mean they aren't fascist.

Also would you characterize Benito Mussolini's march on Rome and subsequent ascension to power as 'sweeping electoral success'?

Why don't you point out which of their policies are characteristic of fascism?



they use the tactics of intimidation against political opponents, as per the nazis.

they favour the dominant indiginous social group over the rights of immigrants, gays and ethnic minorities, like the nazis.

they are against organised labour and the communist party, they are in favour of banning trade unions, like the nazis.

they are an offshoot of the national front, which rooted for the nazis and mussolini before, during and after the second world war.

their leadership are a bunch of racists in suits, and their supporters and activists are an intimidating and ruthless rabble who target liberal politicians, infiltrate union movements, and work to divide the working classes and ruin the hopes of working class unity.

THEY ARE ALL FASCIST SCUM!

they use the tactics of intimidation against political opponents, as per the nazis.

they favour the dominant indiginous social group over the rights of immigrants, gays and ethnic minorities, like the nazis.

they are against organised labour and the communist party, they are in favour of banning trade unions, like the nazis.

they are an offshoot of the national front, which rooted for the nazis and mussolini before, during and after the second world war.

their leadership are a bunch of racists in suits, and their supporters and activists are an intimidating and ruthless rabble who target liberal politicians, infiltrate union movements, and work to divide the working classes and ruin the hopes of working class unity.

THEY ARE ALL FASCIST SCUM!

You post all those arguments proving that their are nazis, and then conclude that they are fascists.

Fascism and Nazism are not the same thing. Many modern fascist governments use and support this confusion as a sort of a preemptive attack against being called out on being fascist - they pick a local racist group, claim them their enemies, and therefore state that they are "anti-fascist". This is not how it works.

You post all those arguments proving that their are nazis, and then conclude that they are fascists.

Fascism and Nazism are not the same thing. Many modern fascist governments use and support this confusion as a sort of a preemptive attack against being called out on being fascist - they pick a local racist group, claim them their enemies, and therefore state that they are "anti-fascist". This is not how it works.

shut the fuck up you dumb-ass

I don't need an education from some pubeless teen, I know what fascism is, of course THE DEFINITION of nazism isn't the same as THE DEFINITION of fascism, that's not what i'm saying is it?

the question is: does the BNP exhibit fascist behavbiour?

the BNP hates trade unions, they infiltrate union movements, it is documented, it's called the real world not some shit you read on a website.

that is classic fascist behaviour, they want to split up the working class, so that the ruling class can dominate, thats what hitler did, thats what the BNP want. they are a fascist party.

what's YOUR definition of facism?

man the politics of totse is fucking shit!

it seems like all the good people have gone, no one tries to put up a good argument or an honest argument.

it's all about willfully ignoring what other people write, then fucking spewing a load of shit you read somewhere to look clever, are you fucking proud? are you fucking proud of yourselves?

there is no point in writing something, then have it be ignored, then someone comes along and talks down to you like you know nothing, when really THEY know nothing, 9/10 on here really are clueless fucking idiots, really!

where's rust?

where's digital saviour?

where's all the people who fucking have the balls to stand up for what they believe in? who's got the guts to read someone elses argument, ACTUALLY read it, digest it, understand it then form a COHERENT response!

come on people!

they use the tactics of intimidation against political opponents, as per the nazis.


Only political intimidation I'm seeing here is from the lefties.


they favour the dominant indiginous social group over the rights of immigrants, gays and ethnic minorities, like the nazis.

so what?
Most conservative parties aren't so keen on gay rights either, does that make them nazi's too?


they are against organised labour and the communist party, they are in favour of banning trade unions, like the nazis.

are they? don't they have a front trade union, solidarity or something?
I thought it was more that organized labor hates them, not the other way round. Where in their policies does it say they're against organized labor? I might have missed it.


they are an offshoot of the national front, which rooted for the nazis and mussolini before, during and after the second world war.

Oh brilliant, their group is an 'offshot' of a group that 'rooted for' the nazi's 60 years ago.
Even accepting that its true, who cares?
I wonder how many of the national front members who rooted for the nazi's are actively involved?

Hey! Labour in the past was a socialist party that advocated unilateral nuclear disarmament and the nationalization of key industries - that means labour now must be radical socialists and not to be trusted in government right?



their leadership are a bunch of racists in suits, and their supporters and activists are an intimidating and ruthless rabble who target liberal politicians, infiltrate union movements, and work to divide the working classes and ruin the hopes of working class unity.

THEY ARE ALL FASCIST SCUM!

When have they 'targeted' liberal politicians?
'Infiltrate unions' and 'involve themselves in unions' are pretty much the same thing, the difference is whether you like the people or not.

where's all the people who fucking have the balls to stand up for what they believe in? who's got the guts to read someone elses argument, ACTUALLY read it, digest it, understand it then form a COHERENT response!


If someone actually wants to disagree with the substance of what I said or disagree with the substance of anything else said that I agree with, then I'll happily engage them. If people want to waste their own time on semantics, then I'll happily sit this one out.

So do you know him personally, or are you one of the sheeple who let the media tell them what to think? Either back up your viewpoint with hard facts, or STFU!

How am I meant to back up my viewpoint with hard facts?
My viewpoint is that the kind of people who get to be cops should be far more restricted. This is just an opinion. I just think it is an important job not suitable for idiots, racists, bigots etc.

It has nothing to do with him specifically being part of the BNP though of course that makes him unsuitable along with many other people in my eyes. Being in the BNP means he is a racist and probably a bigot and an idiot too.

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Besides even if what you appear to think I was saying is what I was saying I would not need to know him personally. Are you a fucking retard? Do you realise the point of the BNP? IF you did then you would realise someone with those types of views is clearly unsuitable for the job.

Here is a fact:

The BNP is a racist political party who want all "foreigners" out of Britain.

If they are rascist then they wont be impartial will they you fucking twat. If they are not impartial they will not do their job properly how stupendously retarded must you be to be unable to see this?

Democracy (in England at least) is about 'mob rule'. the mob ruling at the moment is being fashionable and "saying NO to racism". so Pc Bettley is fucked. problem is as soon as someone is labeled racist, people imagine the guy burning crosses, wearing bed sheets and and high fiving Hitler. the problem i have with this decision is that, potentially, we may be losing a good officer just because he want's tighter immigration controls or our troops out of Iraq. two fairly reasonable things to want of ones government and two things the BNP would deliver.

the problem i have with this decision is that, potentially, we may be losing a good officer just because he want's tighter immigration controls or our troops out of Iraq. two fairly reasonable things to want of ones government and two things the BNP would deliver.

This.

The thing that's bothering me, is who gets to decide if a party is "good" or "bad"? It's legal; so why can't he be a member and work as a cop? And if, say, the BNP came to power, would you be ok with them labelling another party, say, as being full of traitors, and firing its members that otherwise have as good a record as anyone? No? Well, you're giving them the upper hand here, since they'd be able to say "Well, those bastards did the same to us. We are as democratic as they are".

This.

The thing that's bothering me, is who gets to decide if a party is "good" or "bad"? It's legal; so why can't he be a member and work as a cop? And if, say, the BNP came to power, would you be ok with them labelling another party, say, as being full of traitors, and firing its members that otherwise have as good a record as anyone? No? Well, you're giving them the upper hand here, since they'd be able to say "Well, those bastards did the same to us. We are as democratic as they are".

A political party is legal, racism is semi-legal and expressing political views that don't meet with the party line when your an agent of the government is not quite illegal but more then frowned upon.

As for giving them the upper hand...what?

all I'm trying to say is that just because the BNP has been labeled racist, doesn't mean everyone affiliated with it wants to toss Hitlers salad. this guy should be judged on actions and merit.

This.

The thing that's bothering me, is who gets to decide if a party is "good" or "bad"? It's legal; so why can't he be a member and work as a cop?

I replied to your post further up the page. Rephrasing the question does not change the fact that I've already answered it.

all I'm trying to say is that just because the BNP has been labeled racist, doesn't mean everyone affiliated with it wants to toss Hitlers salad. this guy should be judged on actions and merit.

That's what I was saying. I was agreeing with you there.

First of all, BNP is not RACIST, they're nationalists. There's a pretty big difference there, even though the two groups share many views. The sole definition of racism is the belief that other races' genetics are inferior. BNP makes no mention of this. If you believe your country needs to be unified by having only one race living within its bounds, that is nationalist. But nationalism includes so much more, such as being more self-sufficient (which if the first world was, we wouldn't be having this depression). Also nationalist parties are often people's parties, which means they use alternative economics systems in order to spread the wealth more evenly. Just because someone has invested some money he has inherited from his parents does not mean ethically he deserves to a life free of worries and all the wealth he can imagine. Nationalism in certain cases attempts to remove inheritance, in order so strenghten and unify the people.

No the sole definition of a racist is someone that is prejudiced against people of a certain skin colour/race.

By your definition people could not be racists until DNA was discovered and even then it would only be a feeling of superiority due to better genetics.

BNP is racist. They just don't claim to be publicly any more since their rebranding a few years back.

This is going into my UK Police State bookmark folder.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091448/Big-Brother-police-war-time-powers-demand-ID-street--pain-sending-jail.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080428/Wannabe-gangster-shot-teenage-girl-head-dancing-gun-hand-jailed-years.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4882600.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2085192/Hats-banned-from-Yorkshire-pubs-over-CCTV-fears.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/062608_government_permission.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2194359/A-quarter-of-adults-to-face-%27anti-paedophile%27-tests.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children

Get out of the UK while you still can. I know that's what I'm trying to do.

Sadly, snap.

With this being a site about freedom of knowledge and all, I suppose someone should link to the list:

http://bnpmembership.blogspot.com/

- Even has a "postcode proximity" tool which links to Google maps.

Remember folks, this is for information purposes only, and I neither encourage nor condone any ANTIFA style fash-bashing .

- Even has a "postcode proximity" tool which links to Google maps.


Oh my god. What the fuck?
Not having a go at you for posting it here, may as well after all but holy fuck.

Old....

The BNP is neither prejudiced against other people. Believing that having several races in a country is damaging to its unity is in no way assuming people are criminals for example.

Besides, you know why prejudice exists? It happened in our biological evolution. We humans have developed these extreme societies by being able to organize things. Often we'll simplify in order to make things more effective. Such as saying people under a certain age are incapable of driving, despite many of them likely fully capable of driving. We must also apply this to races, and we have the statistics to prove it. Multicultural societies have proven to have more violence, rape, murder, poverty, and I could go on further. So to make the system more effective, the logical thing to do is stop immigration. However, it depends on which cultures are mixed. Especially African and Middle-Eastern cultures seem to give worse living standards to the countries to which they immigrate, while East Asian cultures don't seem to be as damaging to developed countries.

Especially African and Middle-Eastern cultures seem to give worse living standards to the countries to which they immigrate, while East Asian cultures don't seem to be as damaging to developed countries.

is this another way of saying fuck the Muslims? (not that i disagree)

as for eastern cultures, do they not have a smaller community and thus smaller impact. just taking London for example, there are more west Asian and African people then Chinese/Japanese/Thai...etc people.

is this another way of saying fuck the Muslims? (not that i disagree)

as for eastern cultures, do they not have a smaller community and thus smaller impact. just taking London for example, there are more west Asian and African people then Chinese/Japanese/Thai...etc people.

I've lived in city where East Asians were the dominant immigrant group (Vancouver), And Drammen, Norway, where muslims are the dominant immigrant group. The muslims are more likely to rape, steal, and not conform to the culture. And Vancouver had ten times more Asians then we do Muslims. Most of the muslims here either deal drugs, or work in fastfood shops. The Asians in Vancouver were more likely to have industry jobs, but somewhat less likely to be in the trades. There were still a lot in the services though.

EDIT: Just this morning there was a turkish guy who walked up to me on a bus, and asked how to delete all the pictures on his "new" camera. Anyways, I tried for a couple seconds and I saw pictures of this white blonde chick, and a white baby. Then I started thinking, that guy's probably stolen the camera.

I've lived in city where East Asians were the dominant immigrant group (Vancouver), And Drammen, Norway, where muslims are the dominant immigrant group. The muslims are more likely to rape, steal, and not conform to the culture. And Vancouver had ten times more Asians then we do Muslims. Most of the muslims here either deal drugs, or work in fastfood shops. The Asians in Vancouver were more likely to have industry jobs, but somewhat less likely to be in the trades. There were still a lot in the services though.

EDIT: Just this morning there was a turkish guy who walked up to me on a bus, and asked how to delete all the pictures on his "new" camera. Anyways, I tried for a couple seconds and I saw pictures of this white blonde chick, and a white baby. Then I started thinking, that guy's probably stolen the camera.

...or he has a white friend.

In the meantime, Dubai could buy the UK just to take a shit on it, and Singapore is cleaner and has a higher standard of living than any white neighborhood in the UK.

Actually, this appears to be the final collapse of the police state....

Have you ever actually seen a Community Support Officer try to uphold the law?

I haven't.... be quite funny though I imagine...

Rofl, they can not arrest you , just "detain you".

Same...:(

...or he has a white friend.

In the meantime, Dubai could buy the UK just to take a shit on it, and Singapore is cleaner and has a higher standard of living than any white neighborhood in the UK.

Considering he didn't know how to use the camera, and that he wanted to delete "all" pictures on it, its a pretty safe bet that it was stolen. And the picture of the girl was the type of picture that was taken by oneself, such as to put on facebook etc.. I'm guessing he stole it to give away as a christmas present.

Now, surely in a democracy this man is allowed his own political opinion, and we can not assume this would affect the professionalism of his work without firm evidence. Arguably, this course of action taken by Merseyside police is reminiscent of the totalitarian police state of Nazi Germany. Yet, this is happening right now, in the United Kingdom. Debatably, this is undemocratic persecution which could cause a man to loose his job and livelihood, simply for holding a different political opinion to his employers, the Government!


Aheam,

Godwin's Law.

But yeah, I think it's fair to say the BNP is racist.

Not everyone who votes Tory is a Thatcherite Libertarian...

Not everyone who votes BNP is nesscasarily racist...

It's more a judgement call, along with how you define "racism"...

Given what the BNP have said and their history... I'd say they're racist...

MWAH XXXX

Given what the BNP have said and their history... I'd say they're racist...


I'm sorry, but a political party, or platform, cannot speak. The people might in the party might be racists, but their platform is not neccesarily. Sometimes its neccesary to draw the line between nationalism and racism. Loving your own family isn't hating your neighbour. Its instinct. You'll always protect your own family first. The only difference here, is that your neighbour is living in your house, and in order to protect your family you must tell your neighbour to go back and live in his own house.

In other words, loving your own race isn't hating another's.

I'm sorry, but a political party, or platform, cannot speak. The people might in the party might be racists, but their platform is not neccesarily. Sometimes its neccesary to draw the line between nationalism and racism. Loving your own family isn't hating your neighbour. Its instinct. You'll always protect your own family first. The only difference here, is that your neighbour is living in your house, and in order to protect your family you must tell your neighbour to go back and live in his own house.

In other words, loving your own race isn't hating another's.

No, loving your own family inherently means you to some extent dislike others. You cannot have any action without an opposite and equal reaction.

We have to learn to see beyond race. It isn't relevant anymore. In the US, we're already post-racial. The UK is getting to be a surveillance society backwater.

No, loving your own family inherently means you to some extent dislike others. You cannot have any action without an opposite and equal reaction.

If that is true (not that it is), then being a racist is only natural and fair. And loving your own family isn't an action as defined by physics. Besides, you don't hate others families even if you love your own, if others families do not disrupt your family.

"And if they ask you, would you kindly tell them, here lies a soldier, here lies a soilder, who fought and died for all he loved the best, here lies a soilder of the B N P."
Well, it was originally about the UVF but i modified it for the thread :P

If that is true (not that it is), then being a racist is only natural and fair. And loving your own family isn't an action as defined by physics. Besides, you don't hate others families even if you love your own, if others families do not disrupt your family.

That's a complete non-sequter. Your wrong, bitch.

the UVF does shit poems. I learnt today.