Long story short i met a junkie who was trying to sell his meds so he could cop. The price was right so I bought all of em.

I've never done bupe before but have experience with many other opiates. I dont take any strong opes regularly, but I take vicodin and tramadol daily for pain.

Until 2 days ago i was taking around 60mg of hydrocodone and 400mg of tramadol daily, which provided almost complete pain relief but no high. The last few days my dose has been closer to 30mg hydro and 150-200mg tramadol, again no high.

What would be a reccomended starting dose for suboxone? I know to take it intranasally, and that 2mg is the reccomended dose for the opiate naive, but I dont know how much is required with my small tolerance. I havnt been taking any strong opes recently so im not sure what my current dose is for oxy or anything else.

In any event I will probably do 2mg lines every 20-30 minutes until i feel good. But does anyone have a reccomended maximum dose? I've read that insufflated subs can cause headaches and other side effects at high any doses. Where would you expect those to begin?

Will it stop my regular medication from relieving pain tomorrow? Anything else i should know about bupe?

Thanks all, for your help and advice.

Also, What is the price for 8mg suboxone in your area? [/bump]

don't know shit about it sorry i cant offer any advice however i think im gonna be gettin my hands on some of these soon so preciate any advice/ comments. oh come to think of it when i was doing some research on it the other day i seem to recall hearing that it doesn't metabolize properly orally .

Thats correct. They're intended for sublingual administeration, but intranasal has a higher bioavailability.

These things are horrid. I've made the mistake of taking Sub on more than one occasion, only to result in two days of a miserable, vomity daze. I'm even a fan of methadone, and I still hate Suboxone. I guess some people like it, but when the junky's selling it for dope you know it can't be that great...

Also, I may be talking out of my ass, but my memory's telling me that Suboxone, like methadone, has the tendency to block out other opiates. If this is true, then your pain meds might not work and you'll be in pain, in addition to the terrible nausea.

- Tom

Make sure you wait at least 24 hours after your last dose of meds to take it. If you are dependent, it will cause precipitated withdrawals (look it up). Even if you're not, it might suck.

You're probably going to be disappointed. Sniff 4-6mg but not more than 8 and WAIT at least an hour or more to gauge the effects. Overall the likelihood of you getting off on it is low, but when I had a light oxy addiction (30-40mg or so per day) the FIRST times I got suboxone it got me pretty high. It IS a strong drug but it works differently on opiate users and also the more you use it the less it will produce a "high". Plug it for better and faster effects than sniffing.

It WILL decrease the effect of your meds for about 24-48 hours after taking it. Your meds should still relieve you of some pain but they will just feel weaker. Don't even bother taking other opiates sooner than 12-18 hours and even then anything less than 24 is pretty much a complete waste.

hahaha the price that is right for subs, unless you are weening yourself off opiates is FREE. sub is not recreational at all, not in the slightest. you basically got preyed on by a junkie so he could go get his fix for the day, if sub was so good why would he want to sell them at such a "right" price.

if yu can't find someone to take those off your hands (i.e. someone more niave than you) than no don't fucking snort them, sublingual them.

tka eone and either chop it up or chew on it a little bit then stick that shit under your toungue and let it chill. if you aren't tolerant one should be enough to make you feel like a total sack of shit and ouke and shit.

before i did opiates i was desperately looking for one and all i could find is what you have, took one and basically felt like i was on my deathbed for a few days. people talk about how terrible tramadol is, tramadol is the fucking shit compared to what you got. i would take tranadol all day long everyday over what you got.

sorry about the rant and the poor typing in the rant icant see a thing i am typing my vision is too fucking blurry for doing GOOD opiates. you could learn a thing or two from me OP.

They should call it Tremordol.

You know, I thought of you as a respected member when you were posting regularly a couple years ago, but since you've returned you have posted some of the most asanine retarded shit, both here and in other threads. What happened to you, get hit in the head or something?

Anyway i got 15 8mg pills for $25. I offered him that price because i had been hearing about suboxone recently but had never had the opportunity to try any. I was actually on the look out for them as one of the next opes i wanted to try, so you can stop acting like i got ripped off.

Secondly, intranasal is the preferred method of injesting subs because the bioavailability is slightly higher and you reach peak plasma concentration in 30min as opposed to 1 hour with sublingual. Dont post shit you dont know.

Also, you dont have to "chop them up" to sublingual, thats what they're made for. The pill completely breaks down in your mouth.

Obviously a full pill will make you sick. Thats why i only did 4mg and got decently high. Not bad for 75 cents actually.

And actually I dont think i have anything to learn from some condescending moronic fucking junkie. Pull your head out of your ass and quit degrading the forum with every post you make.

EDIT: Thanks to everyone else who posted helpful information.

I think there very recreational my self unlike tramadol but im not a heroin addict

uuuh, well suboxone sucks so think what you will but have fun trying to get high with something intended to simply keep you from getting high..

uhh ok i will:D:D but i did actually get offered some H at work last night dude said he was getting some raw H tonight what ever that means? but i was like give me 100.00 dollars worth so how many doses should i get for a bill I have never done H but I can handle 80mg of oxy at a time and fell just right .

Learn to post better- you clearly lack intellectuality. Poor language demonstrates a poor sense of mental and social conduct..
TL;DR: You sound like a complete retard, and due to this you will not get the answers you want. Unless you want your answers to be from those of the Acolyte status.
Woops. My TL;DR was just as long as my original statement :)

Hippie Hill is a very funny place.

Learn to post better- you clearly lack intellectuality. Poor language demonstrates a poor sense of mental and social conduct..
TL;DR: You sound like a complete retard, and due to this you will not get the answers you want. Unless you want your answers to be from those of the Acolyte status.
Woops. My TL;DR was just as long as my original statement :)

Whatever you superior drug god that you are! Oh is that improper gramme r my bad :}

You know, I thought of you as a respected member when you were posting regularly a couple years ago, but since you've returned you have posted some of the most asanine retarded shit, both here and in other threads. What happened to you, get hit in the head or something?

Anyway i got 15 8mg pills for $25. I offered him that price because i had been hearing about suboxone recently but had never had the opportunity to try any. I was actually on the look out for them as one of the next opes i wanted to try, so you can stop acting like i got ripped off.

Secondly, intranasal is the preferred method of injesting subs because the bioavailability is slightly higher and you reach peak plasma concentration in 30min as opposed to 1 hour with sublingual. Dont post shit you dont know.

Also, you dont have to "chop them up" to sublingual, thats what they're made for. The pill completely breaks down in your mouth.

Obviously a full pill will make you sick. Thats why i only did 4mg and got decently high. Not bad for 75 cents actually.

And actually I dont think i have anything to learn from some condescending moronic fucking junkie. Pull your head out of your ass and quit degrading the forum with every post you make.

EDIT: Thanks to everyone else who posted helpful information.


Hahahah owned.

Whatever you superior drug god that you are! Oh is that improper gramme r my bad :}
Lulz i noww haw tu spel!
dats is wt u sound lyk kk.

raw is powdered heroin. $100 depending on where you are is quite a bit. it can be anywhere from .3-.7 of a gram. since it is raw and not COMPLETELY stepped on yet by street dealers it is usually of pretty high quality. a $30 piece of raw will get someone without a tolerance blasted about 2-3 times so you can do the math upwards to a $100. Basically $10 will get you feeling good but you know you won't stop at $10, you'll end up doing a $15 piece and feel real good instead of just good.

also by the end of your $100 piece you would have a little bit of a tolerance developed and be doing more than $10-15 pieces.

You know, I thought of you as a respected member when you were posting regularly a couple years ago, but since you've returned you have posted some of the most asanine retarded shit, both here and in other threads. What happened to you, get hit in the head or something?

Anyway i got 15 8mg pills for $25. I offered him that price because i had been hearing about suboxone recently but had never had the opportunity to try any. I was actually on the look out for them as one of the next opes i wanted to try, so you can stop acting like i got ripped off.

Secondly, intranasal is the preferred method of injesting subs because the bioavailability is slightly higher and you reach peak plasma concentration in 30min as opposed to 1 hour with sublingual. Dont post shit you dont know.

Also, you dont have to "chop them up" to sublingual, thats what they're made for. The pill completely breaks down in your mouth.

Obviously a full pill will make you sick. Thats why i only did 4mg and got decently high. Not bad for 75 cents actually.

And actually I dont think i have anything to learn from some condescending moronic fucking junkie. Pull your head out of your ass and quit degrading the forum with every post you make.

EDIT: Thanks to everyone else who posted helpful information.


Dude, 75 cents per 8mg Sub is a FUCKING STEAL! I used to sell them for $10 a pop, but i know people that sell them for $15, or even $20, EACH!

Yeah, just ignore 556 he's a heroin addict and therefore cannot get high off of suboxone. The other day I gave my opiate naive friend 4mg of suboxone and his ass got ROCKED. He was nodding sooo damn hard, not much euphoria, but you will seriously nod your balls off.

you got a really, really good deal. always use intranasal, much better bioavalability but the drip is fucking horrendous. have fun with those orange monsters, i wish i could still get high off of 4mg :(

last time i was at the hill hella cops were shakin dudes down. they took everyones pieces from the top of the hill down to the field. fuck that man.

Dude, 75 cents per 8mg Sub is a FUCKING STEAL! I used to sell them for $10 a pop, but i know people that sell them for $15, or even $20, EACH!

Yeah, just ignore 556 he's a heroin addict and therefore cannot get high off of suboxone. The other day I gave my opiate naive friend 4mg of suboxone and his ass got ROCKED. He was nodding sooo damn hard, not much euphoria, but you will seriously nod your balls off.

you got a really, really good deal. always use intranasal, much better bioavalability but the drip is fucking horrendous. have fun with those orange monsters, i wish i could still get high off of 4mg :(

I've heard of them selling for that much. The guy i got them from told me they usually go for $5 each, but if he was going to lie i would assume that he would say they were more expensive. So, i assume that really is what they go for around here, at least between people who are dependent.

Does anyone else know how much they typically cost in your area? I want to trade some of them but im unsure what would be a fair monetary equivalent.

Do you have a source for that bit about bioavailability? The articles i've read shows only a slight increase, but the PPC is attained so much more quickly that it makes intranasal feel more intense.

last time i was at the hill hella cops were shakin dudes down. they took everyones pieces from the top of the hill down to the field. fuck that man.

Hippie Hill in San Francisco? Seriously? When was that?

not very long ago. sometime between 1.5 and 1 month ago

Shit, that is about the strangest thing ive ever heard.

You're sure they were busting people for pot and paraphanelia? That is unbelievable.

Yes you got a great price. Less than they cost at the pharmacy, actually. Subs have run anywhere from $5 to $30 here but the local opiate scene is expensive due to supply and demand. $10 is a 'good' price. If a junky wants to feel well he WILL pay 20 (here come the people going NO HE'LL BUY HERRON LOLZ- but I guess I was the only junky that would think ahead 48 hours). Really the price ranges so high because suboxone IS in fact a very strong drug.

As for Bio, the nasal increase IS very small, hardly worth it in fact. Like you said, the onset is the main factor as well as not having to hold the fucker/orange saliva under your tongue..... as you need to give it a little time to absorb....if you swallow the juice as fast as it builds up you will lose more bioavailability. Rectal is the most efficient next to IV (Don't IV these please, sure people can and will, but it is horrible).

Their not worthless, when I had a 320mg oral tolerance of oxycodone (it took that much to get me high, with potentiators)

I snorted 3 8\2 suboxone. (24mg bupe, 6mg naloxone)

Holy hell. This burned more than anything else I have ever snorted. So fucking painful.

0_0

Anyway, although the pain was intense, and the pleasure wasn't anything like oxy, I got a pretty nice buzz for like 4 hours. It was weird though, I felt very 'adventurous', if that makes sense. Like, giddy. I found a baseball field that had plays written on a markerboard inside a dugout, apparently for a girls softball team. I perverted the plays involving balls and bats and stuff, like a 12 year old little ass hole.

Anyway, I had a good time. ^_^

Anyway, although the pain was intense, and the pleasure wasn't anything like oxy, I got a pretty nice buzz for like 4 hours. It was weird though, I felt very 'adventurous', if that makes sense. Like, giddy. I found a baseball field that had plays written on a markerboard inside a dugout, apparently for a girls softball team. I perverted the plays involving balls and bats and stuff, like a 12 year old little ass hole.


I know what you mean!

During the "honeymoon" period (when I was first prescribed Suboxone) I noticed that it ALWAYS made me more outgoing - lots of verbal communication, and almost full of energy....not like a speed buzz, but something in between.

2 mg for opiate naive? 2 mg had me puking for 2 days with a moderate dependence. I never take more then .75 mg's, but I also just use it for periods of time when I don't have opiates for recreational use and need to keep the WD's away. Anyways even as low as .25 mg's will keep away WD's. Id recommend no more then 2 mg's if your trying to get a buzz, but maybe buprenorphine just acts different on me. Also if they are N8's (combination with naloxone) you can't redose periodically like you can with other opiates to gauge how much you should take, after the naloxone kicks in it will block the effects of any other opiates you take, including buprenorphine I believe (could someone else vouch for me on this?, I'm not 100% sure).

Also, do wait 24 hours after your last vicodin/tramadol dose, or else bad shit could happen such as a trip to pukesville, vomitland, or the throwup inn, not to mention precipitation of withdrawal symptoms.

Overall it is a wonder drug for killing WD's and allowing you to function normally, and even giving you a sense of well being or boost of mood, but if your looking for an opiate high, it is not very useful. You CAN achieve a strong-as-fuck opiate high but there is no way to avoid days of vomit-induced sickness along with this, which IMO is not worth it.

If you really want to have fun, do some low (.25-.75 mg) doses once a day in the morning, slowly tapering from .75 down to .25 within a weeks time frame or so. Then pop your vicodin/tramadol, your tolerance should decrease significantly from the suboxone use, and you will avoid withdrawals while allowing your tolerance to decrease, that's what I find it best for.

Also if they are N8's (combination with naloxone) you can't redose periodically like you can with other opiates to gauge how much you should take, after the naloxone kicks in it will block the effects of any other opiates you take, including buprenorphine I believe (could someone else vouch for me on this?, I'm not 100% sure).

I wasn't aware this was true (I'm not trying to contradict you) but, if it is, that's really interesting. How would that work? In the morning, when I take my dose, would say, 8mgs of Suboxone (the N8's) feel more intense than 4mgs then and 4mgs several hours later?

I also would like to know if this is true, I am quite intrigued.

Also if they are N8's (combination with naloxone) you can't redose periodically like you can with other opiates to gauge how much you should take, after the naloxone kicks in it will block the effects of any other opiates you take, including buprenorphine I believe (could someone else vouch for me on this?, I'm not 100% sure).


You cant redose other opiates for a while after taking subs bacause the buprenorephine has a higher receptor affinity than prety much any other opiate. The naloxone doesnt do anything when you take it with the bupe because the bupe has a higher affinity than the naloxone. Also, because the bupe has a 32 hour half life, while naloxone's is much lower.

So for the entire time that the naloxone is in your system it is entirely negated by the buprenorephine. The bupe is what stops you from getting high on anything else.

Thanks for the advice on using it to cut down tolerance. I'm not dependant, but i noticed that it did for my pain what my regular meds do in the days after i dosed.