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 #1 
Old 2008-11-19, 05:35
korndawg korndawg is offline
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Tomorrow, I'm goping to have sex with my girlfreind. It will be my first time. Any advice?

She's pregnant, and we were tested for STD's, so no need for a condom.

We've been going out for a month. She's crazy about me, and I care greatly for her. I think I love her.

I'm thinking romantic music, candles, a bit of weak wine, and romance on full. It'll be awesome.

She's been wanting me to do it with her since day one, but I've held off until now.
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Old 2008-11-19, 05:38
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haha you're fucking a preggor for your first time.
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Old 2008-11-19, 05:38
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Tomorrow, I'm goping to have sex with my girlfreind. It will be my first time. Any advice?

She's pregnant,

Bail.
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Old 2008-11-19, 05:40
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She's been wanting me to do it with her since day one, but I've held off until now.

That kind of logic is what got her infested with a small, fetus shaped parasite. Make sure to punch her really hard in the stomach during sex so that her attempt to populate the world with her idiotic spawn will be thwarted.

Either you are a troll, or you are incredibly desperate.

I hope you have a good job, so that you can pay to support her bastard child.
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Old 2008-11-19, 05:51
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Also, what is it with people planning sex? It should be spontaneous; something that is decided upon when both parties are practically naked and all over each other.

Planning shit like that is lameeeee.
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Old 2008-11-19, 08:41
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Originally Posted by pink smoke
Also, what is it with people planning sex? It should be spontaneous; something that is decided upon when both parties are practically naked and all over each other.

Planning shit like that is lameeeee.


Sometimes it's not so much planning as knowing it's going to happen. I was in a situation once where I only got to see my girlfriend once a week so if I didn't get any that week it ended up being two weeks of no sex.
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Old 2008-11-19, 12:00
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Originally Posted by korndawg
Tomorrow, I'm goping to have sex with my girlfreind. It will be my first time. Any advice?

She's pregnant, and we were tested for STD's, so no need for a condom.

We've been going out for a month. She's crazy about me, and I care greatly for her. I think I love her.

I'm thinking romantic music, candles, a bit of weak wine, and romance on full. It'll be awesome.

She's been wanting me to do it with her since day one, but I've held off until now.


i dont think wines is a good idea if she's pregnant...
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Old 2008-11-19, 12:04
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i dont think wines is a good idea if she's pregnant...

Unless she has lots of wine... and cocaine.

Also, stick it in her ass.
 #9 
Old 2008-11-19, 13:16
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I don't see why not. It's not his baby.

Pump and dump.
 #10 
Old 2008-11-19, 16:03
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Bail.

this.
 #11 
Old 2008-11-19, 16:24
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Idea:

Right as you cum, yell as loud as you can: "FALCON PUNCHHH!!!" and punch her hard in the uterus.
 #12 
Old 2008-11-19, 22:38
korndawg korndawg is offline
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Lots of replies. A lot of lame insults and comically bad advice, but thtis IS totse, isn't it :-P

I'm not really sure I want to go through with it at this point...I started writing a list of things I like about her. Mostly, she's pretty and good as giving me head. She likes me a lot, but isn't a very deep person at all...I'm not sure I want to have my first time with her afterall. I wanted to list 10 things, and couldn't think of more than 4.

I suppose, if I'm not sure, I should wait until I am. It's a bit step, after all. But, I don't want to wait so long that she isn't pregnant anymore...that would kinda defeat the purpose.

As it stands, she may not be able to make it tonight. I suppose I'll leave it to luck, or to God. If she comes, then we go for it, and if she can't, then we try later I guess. Or not at all.

The advice to "bail"...well, I've goten that from the beginning. My brother told me to run as soon as he found out she is pregnant. I'm not sure these people understand...I'm not in this for the super-long-term. I'm not going to marry her, not raise her kid. I'm just going to go out with her for a few months. She's moving shortly after her kid will be born, so that will be the end of it. I don't see what advantage bailing now has over milking it until she's gone.

Actually, I think she's wanting me to play Daddy, and stick around...well, forever. I'm not up for that. Not with her, and not with anyone for the forseeable future. i'm not mature enough for that. I think she's quite a bit more serious than I am. I keep telling her to slow down...it doesn't seem to help. I told her that I wouldn't move with her when she did, and that she couldn't move in with me.

I don't really know what to think. When I'm with her, when she's hugging me, or when I'm sitting next to her, or when we make out, I feel strongly for her. I care deeply for her. But, when we're seperated, I start to think about her in different ways. Her lack of interests, hopes, dreams, aspirations, desires...she basically lacks any and all ambition. She's vengeful, she's quiet, she won't open up to me as much as I'd like...She also "fell in love" with me far too fast. On our first night together, she told me she loved me. I told her about 3 weeks later, in a heated moment of passion, and regretted it since. I feel obligated to say it now, but i feel wrong every time I do, except when I'm with her, holding her in my arms, and the strong chemistry gets ahold of me.

Even when we're together, after I cum I get flooded with strong emotions. I want to be alone, away from her. I feel deeply grateful that I DIDN'T have sex each time I turn her down, or don't go through with it.

I'm really not sure what to do at this point. I'm deeply conflicted. Any help appriciated.
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Old 2008-11-19, 22:46
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I wasn't going to echo the "bail" advice till I saw this most recent post of yours.

Don't just bail. RUN.

Those of us not in the situation can see this as clearly as writing on a wall. She IS looking for someone to take care of her. She's willing to fuck you, give you head, do whatever you want as she hopes you are stupid enough to take care of her and her unborn baby.

I repeat, RUN away.

She DOES have aspirations - they are that YOU take care of her.

I repeat, RUN. And for gods sake DONT FUCK HER. If she is your first, she will win and you will feel even more attached to her.

Ahem, did I mention run?

(And by the way I am a girl, fyi, i know how girls are, this chick is trying to trick you - run.)
 #14 
Old 2008-11-20, 00:25
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Originally Posted by korndawg
Tomorrow, I'm goping to have sex with my girlfreind. It will be my first time. Any advice?

She's pregnant, and we were tested for STD's, so no need for a condom.

We've been going out for a month. She's crazy about me, and I care greatly for her. I think I love her.

I'm thinking romantic music, candles, a bit of weak wine, and romance on full. It'll be awesome.

She's been wanting me to do it with her since day one, but I've held off until now.


Your going to fuck a woman who is bearing another mans child?

Good luck.
 #15 
Old 2008-11-20, 00:32
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pump then dump then run.
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Old 2008-11-20, 00:37
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Maybe if you fuck her deep enough you can get the baby pregnant too. Food for thought.;)
 #17 
Old 2008-11-20, 00:38
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I've decided not to go through with it. I went for a walk, sat down in one of my favorite spots, and thought about it. I'm sure I don't love her, and I wish I hadn't said that I did. I felt that way at the time, but those thoughts faded as time went on.

The above poster brings forth an interesting point that I've thought of since we first got together. I'm not interested in playing daddy, and I don't see us being together more thna a few more months. On the other hand, she says she wants to spend the rest of her life with me. I've thought a few times that she was alone and desperate, and looking for someone to come and take care of her and her baby, and I was the first joe to come along.

I talked to my mom about it. Basically, her advice was "hurry up and have sex with her". She doesn't understand, it seems. No one really does. Everyone is befuddled with my choice to remain a virgin. Some peopel seem to think I want to wait until I'm married. Others think I can't get myself laid. In truth, I'm just waiting until I'm ready, and in a committed relationship with a girl I love.

Which brings me back to my girlfreind. We seem to fit great together, and there's much chemistry, but it doesn't go much deeper than that. She won't open up to me, and the only thing she seems to like talking about is her ex boyfreinds, of which there are MANY. As in dozens. I'm much less experienced than her. She's been pressuring me to have sex with her since our first date, and saying she loved me every bit as long, before she ever had any sort of chance to get to know me. On the other hand, she puts up with all of my shortcomings, and her family likes me alot too (did I mention she sleeps on a mattress in her mom's bedroom floor?). She doesn't like any of the freinds of mine that she's met, another danger sign, but they seem to like her well enough.

A bit more background info: I'm 24, and she's 20. I've had 11 girlfreinds since I was 8, and have never had sex. She's had umteen boyfreinds since she can't remember when, and has had sex with all of them. She says she won't let her daughter see the father. I think that's wrong, unless there's a VERY good reason I'm not privy too. I think it's probably something very petty though. The more I talk about it, the less I want to fuck her. I'm so glad I made this topic.

What my mom didn't seem to understand is that losing my virginity will be a fundemental change in my life. I'll be a totally different person afterwards. I have to be SURE! And, not only am I not sure about this time, I'm reletively sure I'll regret it.

So, if she makes it over, I'll just have a lot of oral sex. That's good enough for me anyways. Maybe, if things get better, we'll go all the way later on. Or, maybe not. Whatever works.

I'm still hoping for more advice and input. Any is appriciated.
 #18 
Old 2008-11-20, 00:48
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Dump her and fuck a prostitute. Seriously.
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Old 2008-11-20, 01:05
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OP, You seem like a good guy, and your situation is pretty sshitty, but I realized, why should any bodies opinion matter with what you want to do,

This is where you must walk alone, and remember, good things come to those who wait.
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Old 2008-11-20, 01:10
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Originally Posted by voodoonirvana
Maybe if you fuck her deep enough you can get the baby pregnant too. Food for thought.;)


Best. Post. Evar.
 #21 
Old 2008-11-20, 01:39
korndawg korndawg is offline
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Now I find myself flipping between "go for it" and "Don't do it!". I guess I'm just really nervous, and not sure what to do... Well, we'll see how the night goes. I'll keep everyone up to date.
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Old 2008-11-20, 01:44
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Originally Posted by twisted.screw
Idea:

Right as you cum, yell as loud as you can: "FALCON PUNCHHH!!!" and punch her hard in the uterus.


+1 for the acolyte
 #23 
Old 2008-11-20, 02:23
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This:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Depressedtotse.jpg

Follow your heart, not the advice of a load of degenerate fuck-heads who just want to laugh at you. If you want to bone her, bone her. If you don't want to bring up her kid afterwards, change your number and possibly your face. ;)
 #24 
Old 2008-11-20, 02:48
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Why will losing your virginity change you forever? A condom is not a coocoon.
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Old 2008-11-20, 03:57
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Originally Posted by korndawg
Now I find myself flipping between "go for it" and "Don't do it!". I guess I'm just really nervous, and not sure what to do... Well, we'll see how the night goes. I'll keep everyone up to date.


Finally, now you're thinking clearly. Honestly, I wouldn't go through with it. I know that being a virgin male with someone who you like to hook up is probably a great reason to do it, but you have to think of the consequences. This isn't some ordinary short term girlfriend, or even a "pump and dump". Not only is she probably emotional as fuck, she's probably looking for some validation, and a father figure for her child, whether she admits it or not. She likes you, she's pregnant, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the father isn't involved. She is going to want you to step in and fill that role, regardless of what she may say. She may not even feel that way now; but as I see it, this isn't gonna end pretty. Either she's going to decide to stay so that you can fill that gap, or she's going to be extremely upset that you were not planning on staying with her long.

Think about it. Talk to her, and find someone who isn't hauling around so much emotional baggage. Find a nice, unpreggers girl, and suck it up and wear the damn condom. Do you really want to think back fifty years from now and remember how your first was with a pregnant woman?
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Old 2008-11-20, 05:37
korndawg korndawg is offline
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She'll be here in half an hour or so, and I'm still not sure if I'll go through with it or not. I'm leaning toward yes atm. I keep thinking of more reasons I like her. The above poster makes some goood points about it not ending pretty, but sex isn't going to change that one way or the other.

Another point: I'm not the first non-father guy she's been with since she's been pregnant. By been with, I mean fucked. There's at least one other, and probably more, from before she met me.

Will I mind that she was pregnant 50 years from now? No. Will I mind having a 49 year old kid 50 years from now from a girl I lost my virginity to and didn't want to stay with? Yes. Pregnant is a good thing, it means she can't get more pregnant.

I'll keep everyone up to speed. I might not be able to post again after she gets here.
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Old 2008-11-20, 05:40
andeanbr andeanbr is offline
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Another point: I'm not the first non-father guy she's been with since she's been pregnant. By been with, I mean fucked. There's at least one other, and probably more, from before she met me.

Will I mind that she was pregnant 50 years from now? No. Will I mind having a 49 year old kid 50 years from now from a girl I lost my virginity to and didn't want to stay with? Yes. Pregnant is a good thing, it means she can't get more pregnant.

I'll keep everyone up to speed. I might not be able to post again after she gets here.

I don't even know if I believe this anymore LOL

What the hell??

You know there are other more convenient ways of birth control right?

She sounds like a slut and you sound like a sucker. I feel bad for her kid.
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Old 2008-11-20, 06:28
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losing my virginity will be a fundemental change in my life. I'll be a totally different person afterwards.

No it won't, and no you won't.
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Old 2008-11-20, 06:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by korndawg
She'll be here in half an hour or so, and I'm still not sure if I'll go through with it or not. I'm leaning toward yes atm. I keep thinking of more reasons I like her. The above poster makes some goood points about it not ending pretty, but sex isn't going to change that one way or the other.

Another point: I'm not the first non-father guy she's been with since she's been pregnant. By been with, I mean fucked. There's at least one other, and probably more, from before she met me.

Will I mind that she was pregnant 50 years from now? No. Will I mind having a 49 year old kid 50 years from now from a girl I lost my virginity to and didn't want to stay with? Yes. Pregnant is a good thing, it means she can't get more pregnant.

I'll keep everyone up to speed. I might not be able to post again after she gets here.


How far along is she? She's a slut; I highly doubt that she doesn't have any STD's.

She can still get pregnant. I knew two girls who called themselves 'twins' even though they were conceived 3 months apart. The funny thing is that while one was 3 months older than the other, the 'younger' one was born 6 minutes before the 'older' one, technically making her the older one. Unlikely, yes, but it's still possible.
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Old 2008-11-20, 06:51
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We've been going out for a month. She's crazy about me, and I care greatly for her. I think I love her...

I started writing a list of things I like about her...

I suppose I'll leave it to luck, or to God...

On our first night together, she told me she loved me. I told her about 3 weeks later, in a heated moment of passion, and regretted it since...

[A few hours later] I'm sure I don't love her, and I wish I hadn't said that I did. I felt that way at the time, but those thoughts faded as time went on...

I talked to my mom about it...

Everyone is befuddled with my choice to remain a virgin... I'm 24...

Some selected quotes for your viewing pleasure.
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Old 2008-11-20, 06:57
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This is the first time ever that I've read someones posts in a different accent to my own. I pictured a petty English accent.
 #32 
Old 2008-11-20, 07:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mötleÿ Crüe
This is the first time ever that I've read someones posts in a different accent to my own. I pictured a petty English accent.


From now on im gonna read all the posts as if its mike tyson talking. His voice and comments crack me up. Totse is about to get a lot funnier.
 #33 
Old 2008-11-20, 07:19
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she's pregnant

It's a trap.
 #34 
Old 2008-11-20, 07:20
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It's a trap.

Fail, you need the pic.

http://www.kilala.nl/Images/Blog/ItsATrap.jpg
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Old 2008-11-20, 14:40
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For a female perspective, dont give it a second thought that ur 24 and a virgin, and as previous posters have said it will not change ur life and make u any more of a man or anything if you do it. And I certainly wouldnt listen to ur mum if she encouraging you to get laid.

I definitely would not encourage you to get involved with someone who is pregnant and is still sleeping with guys.

Youve waited this long not having sex, you may as well leave it longer. Whether its going to get drunk in a bar and get laid tonight or waiting for someone special, Dont do the prenant girl..it sounds like a trap. I know too many girls whove done this to guys before and its wrong!

let us know what happens
 #36 
Old 2008-11-20, 14:48
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+1 for the acolyte

Thanks for the internet points! Cool
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Old 2008-11-20, 14:51
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this.

yeah, Id bail
 #38 
Old 2008-11-20, 18:55
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Well, I went for it. As of 2:08AM this morning, I am no longer a virgin. It went very well. I decided that love is a very reletive thing. We started off with her giving me a handjob, so I wouldn't be too quick on the trigger. That was probably a mistake. I had a bit of performance anxiety, and kept getting soft, and hard again. It lasted MUCH longer than I ever thought possible, going more than an hour from virginity loss to climax(the clock said 3:14 when I came). It's a much different sensation than I expected. Much less texture. We tried her on top first, and switched to modified missionary. I had trouble in this positoon, so she got back on top until we were done.

She may be kind of a slut, but I don't care. She's my slut :-P She told me she really liked that I made her wait so long, and that no one had ever respected her like that before. Maybe I've changed her. Probably not.

For the record, she's about 7 months along. Big belly by this point, and sex was difficult. We did it again in the morning, and I couldn't cum before we were both exausted. My dick did the getting soft, then hard again, thing too. A few hours later, we tried side by side, her facing away from me, and it worked very well. I was able to cum in about 8 minutes.

We had candles. The TV was going. We had a glass of wine after the fact. We never bothered with the romantic music. All in all, I'm very glad I went through with it. No more stigma about being the 24 year old virgin.

As for STD's, she's clean. We went to a clinic and got tested.

I'm not sure I like sex all that much. The first 2 times weren't much fun, more exhuasting and awkward. The third time was pretty great though, and i really LOVE the sensation of filling her with my cum. I plan on having a lot more sex over the next few months, before we end up breaking up. From now on, I'll be able to do it with anyone I go out with, and possibly some girls in between too. it's an enormous load off my shoulders.
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Old 2008-11-20, 19:01
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That kind of logic is what got her infested with a small, fetus shaped parasite. Make sure to punch her really hard in the stomach during sex so that her attempt to populate the world with her idiotic spawn will be thwarted.

Either you are a troll, or you are incredibly desperate.

I hope you have a good job, so that you can pay to support her bastard child.

you took the words right out of my mouth.
you put that down brilliantly.
thanks.

now....why would you have sex with a girl who is already pregnant...don't tell her you love her either...she will make you support her..
and plus you should bail on the entire romantic scene...
she does not.....nvm
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Old 2008-11-20, 19:04
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We had candles. The TV was going. We had a glass of wine after the fact.

she is fucking pregnant...why is she drinking...that says alot.
 #41 
Old 2008-11-20, 19:07
korndawg korndawg is offline
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She had one sip, and I finished the rest, and she only did it because i pressured her into it. Besides, it was Boone's Farm. The entire bottle has less alcohol than a beer.
 #42 
Old 2008-11-20, 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by korndawg
She had one sip, and I finished the rest, and she only did it because i pressured her into it. Besides, it was Boone's Farm. The entire bottle has less alcohol than a beer.


one sip is one sip....
don't make up lame excuses for her irresponsibilities...
one sip my ass anyways.
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Old 2008-11-20, 20:07
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Well, I went for it. As of 2:08AM this morning, I am no longer a virgin. It went very well. I decided that love is a very reletive thing. We started off with her giving me a handjob, so I wouldn't be too quick on the trigger. That was probably a mistake. I had a bit of performance anxiety, and kept getting soft, and hard again. It lasted MUCH longer than I ever thought possible, going more than an hour from virginity loss to climax(the clock said 3:14 when I came). It's a much different sensation than I expected. Much less texture. We tried her on top first, and switched to modified missionary. I had trouble in this positoon, so she got back on top until we were done.

She may be kind of a slut, but I don't care. She's my slut :-P She told me she really liked that I made her wait so long, and that no one had ever respected her like that before. Maybe I've changed her. Probably not.

For the record, she's about 7 months along. Big belly by this point, and sex was difficult. We did it again in the morning, and I couldn't cum before we were both exausted. My dick did the getting soft, then hard again, thing too. A few hours later, we tried side by side, her facing away from me, and it worked very well. I was able to cum in about 8 minutes.

We had candles. The TV was going. We had a glass of wine after the fact. We never bothered with the romantic music. All in all, I'm very glad I went through with it. No more stigma about being the 24 year old virgin.

As for STD's, she's clean. We went to a clinic and got tested.

I'm not sure I like sex all that much. The first 2 times weren't much fun, more exhuasting and awkward. The third time was pretty great though, and i really LOVE the sensation of filling her with my cum. I plan on having a lot more sex over the next few months, before we end up breaking up. From now on, I'll be able to do it with anyone I go out with, and possibly some girls in between too. it's an enormous load off my shoulders.


Did the enormous pregger-belly turn you off?

And also...Holy fuck, Batman! I thought she was a month along...I think I read the first post wrong. But damn...SEVEN?

You sir, are officially a motherfucker.
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Old 2008-11-20, 20:21
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one sip is one sip....
don't make up lame excuses for her irresponsibilities...
one sip my ass anyways.

Oh please, 1 glass/sip of wine isn't gonna fuck the kid up. If she's drinking every other day there may be a problem, 1 glass every now and then isn't a big deal.
 #45 
Old 2008-11-20, 20:28
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Oh please, 1 glass/sip of wine isn't gonna fuck the kid up. If she's drinking every other day there may be a problem, 1 glass every now and then isn't a big deal.

judging by the actions that have taken place i would assume it is every other day....
i wouldn't put it past her....
i mean how many other guys do you think have coerced her into just one sip for a false romantic evening.
this whole thread is WEEEEIIIIRRRD
 #46 
Old 2008-11-20, 21:05
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For the record, she's about 7 months along... We had a glass of wine after the fact.

Uh... Confused
 #47 
Old 2008-11-20, 22:29
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7 months along grosses me the fuck out.
The filling someone with cum on the other hand, sounds very satisfying.

But seriously, I don't think I would have done it if I were you man. Sometimes I catch myself zoning out in the middle of the day about the first time I had sex and if it had been with a preggo, it would be weird.

But, whatever. You're you and im me and im happy that you lost your virginity :) how old is she btw?
 
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