I may be able to pick up a bottle of 10/750mg Hydrocodones. How much can I expect to pay for a bottle of 20-25. I guesstimated $90-100 from the bottles and bags of 5/500's I've bought before from friends, is that accurate? (Keep in mind these are New York prices)

It ran through my head that I may want to do a CWE. I've read a few ways to do it from google but I wanted to know the best way, a step by step from a reliable poster and to ask if it would be worth it for 20 pills. How much can I expect to lose (in milligrams not %) if done right. (Also to not make this a price check thread ;)).

that all depends on your tolerance. with no tolerance, feel free to pay 100 bucks as you will be getting around 10 doses from it, and, with no tolerance, a cwe is unnecessary.

if you do need to do it, its as simple as warm water plus crushed pills, put in fridge till cold, and filtered. the remaining liquid does taste like shit, but it does hit faster and therefore harder and better. its kinda hard to lose alot of hydrocodone, but there will be plenty of APAP in there(therefore the taste).

Tolerance is, thankfully, gone (perfect time to build it back up). With no tolerance I can get a nice buzz from 15mg (and I'm a big boy).

That seems like it would work. Is there any way that I can make the hyrdocodone into an insufflatable salt?

My liver will probably thank me for just CWEing it anyway, considering all the APAP containing pills I've taken over the years...

No offense dude, I think I'm going to wait for a regular's input.

so your saying that opiate tolerance goes away? that would be sweet if it did but thats the first time that ive heard that. The hydrocodone is already in its salt form, hence its solubility in water. but with a cwe, your still going to have a shitload of apap in the water so even if you took the time to evaporate it (no heat) it most likely wouldn't be snortable. at least when I did it with oxycodone it wasn't, but you 'could' do a second cwe using a minimal amount of water (you'd have to find solubility info) then evaporate that without heat and maybe then that might be a snortable product. no guarantees though. and I totally understand the thing about not being a regular.

If you stay clean for a while (by choice or by lack of available drugs) it does subside.

That is the method I was thinking of trying (to produce a snortable powder). I expect to lose a lot of hydrocodone and still end up snorting a lot of APAP that way, though. Not fun... I wanted to see if there was any other reliable way with minimal active chemical loss.

If I could get some damn oxy or heroin I would be happy with that. :(

Thanks.

so your saying that opiate tolerance goes away? that would be sweet if it did but thats the first time that ive heard that.
He's saying that he doesn't have a tolerance anymore. And if you think that your tolerance never goes down (I know it takes a little while), then you need to learn some more.

but with a cwe, your still going to have a shitload of apap in the water

This^ is very incorrect. APAP is very INSOLUBLE in water, hence why you do a CWE in the first place.

Then as far as snorting those after a CWE, I'm not exactly sure, so can't really help you out there.

But then finally, the prices, here, 10mg Vics go for about $5 each. But buying more at a time you should get a better price. But yea, if the kid you're getting it from feels like being an ass, you could expect $100. I would have to say though, that if you have access to better opiates, I would go for those, because $100 on vics seems pretty steep considering they're not the best.

He's saying that he doesn't have a tolerance anymore. And if you think that your tolerance never goes down (I know it takes a little while), then you need to learn some more.

did I say that? I thought I was asking a question.

This^ is very incorrect. APAP is very INSOLUBLE in water, hence why you do a CWE in the first place.

alright so apap solubilty in water is 14mg/mL at room temp and 2.43 mg/mL in cold water
so yeah that's not alot compared to the grams of apap your putting in but far from insoluble. If using 100mL of water you would be left with over half apap (with the 20 10mg pills) and that is a shitload if your gonna be snorting it (it burns like fuck and tastes like shit).

did I say that? I thought I was asking a question.



alright so apap solubilty in water is 14mg/mL at room temp and 2.43 mg/mL in cold water
so yeah that's not alot compared to the grams of apap your putting in but far from insoluble. If using 100mL of water you would be left with over half apap (with the 20 10mg pills) and that is a shitload if your gonna be snorting it (it burns like fuck and tastes like shit).

Nah man, think about what you just said: 2.5mg per mL in cold water, right?

100mL, right?

Quick, what's 100 x 2.5?

Yep, 250. So, you'd have 250mg (TOPS. That's a VERY generous figure) in your CWE. Now let's say you CWEd 3 10\750's.

You'd have like 29mg of hydrocodone and 250mg of APAP suspended in 100mL.

Compared with 30mg and 2250mg of APAP.

Please explain how 250mg is a "over half" of the apap...?

In any case, it's a moot point, because anything below 3500mg APAP(4000 really, but I like to play it safe) won't hurt ya.


OP:
A bottle of 20 10mg vicoden should NOT run you more than $80.

If you have no tolerance and you want to have a little fun, don't turn the offer down. But anything above $80 is kind of a raw deal. (especially since they're the fucking 750s)

Nah man, think about what you just said: 2.5mg per mL in cold water, right?

100mL, right?

Quick, what's 100 x 2.5?

Yep, 250. So, you'd have 250mg (TOPS. That's a VERY generous figure) in your CWE. Now let's say you CWEd 3 10\750's.

You'd have like 29mg of hydrocodone and 250mg of APAP suspended in 100mL.

Compared with 30mg and 2250mg of APAP.

Please explain how 250mg is a "over half" of the apap...?

In any case, it's a moot point, because anything below 3500mg APAP(4000 really, but I like to play it safe) won't hurt ya.




dude you misunderstood. im saying if he did all 20 pills at once, then he would have a little less that 200mg hydrocodone, and the 250mg apap, which is over half of the hydro/apap mix (after he evaporated).

and yeah its a moot point if your gonna be eating/drinking it, i was just saying apap isn't insoluble in cold water.

also, if he's gonna be snorting it like he mentioned, then that would matter a lot as nobody wants to be snorting apap.

O.K. scrap the snortable powder idea because plain and simple: I don't want to snort any APAP if I can help it.

Me thinks I should take them the old fashion way and just pop 'em, I don't have the time or patience to CWE them judging by your instructions and I do not intend on exceeding say 2250mg APAP (I've done 5500mg in the same day with no problems).

Thanks guys.

Since your willing to scrap the snorting idea I see no reason why you shouldnt just pop them. Even if you pop 2 thats only 1500mgs of acetametaphen, not even close to the recommended maximum daily dose of 4,000mgs.

And I have no idea how you cant find oxy or heroin in your area. Brooklyn has always been known for some good powder, and oxy is just fucking anywhere, in the city and on the island I've never had a problem.

And I have no idea how you cant find oxy or heroin in your area. Brooklyn has always been known for some good powder, and oxy is just fucking anywhere, in the city and on the island I've never had a problem.

If you only knew all the bullshit I have to put up with concerning oxy.

People who have done handfuls of percocet have told me that they wouldn't take oxy "cUz iTs t3h d4Ng3rUss!!" It's the same fucking active chemical! "nooo it's like heroin maaan."

As far as heroin goes, the stigma is fuckin infuriating. Cokeheads get all holier-than-thou on me when I ask them if they know a guy for dope. Also I'm not willing to go to Harlem, Bed-stuy, east Flatbush, Brownsville...etc... White people in decent/badish neighborhoods just don't do heroin anymore, apparently.

so your saying that opiate tolerance goes away? that would be sweet if it did but thats the first time that ive heard that.

fuck yeah opiate tolerance decreases. at one point in my dope career i was doing a $40 piece and barely feeling it. after quitting for a mere 5-6 days, i was doing a $15-20 piece and feeling like i was going to stop breathing. it only takes about 3 weeks for opiates to completely exit your system leaving your tolerance nonexistent as if you were an ope virgin all over again.

since you are buying enough, pop like 2-3 if you have a low tolerance, or 5-6 if you are tolerant along with your snorted dose. you will thank me later, it will give you that initial snorted high and it will sustain into a oral dose after the snorting high is gone so it's like getting the beneficial aspects from both means of administrations. a good initial high and a long lasting one in the same.

since you are buying enough, pop like 2-3 if you have a low tolerance, or 5-6 if you are tolerant along with your snorted dose. you will thank me later, it will give you that initial snorted high and it will sustain into a oral dose after the snorting high is gone so it's like getting the beneficial aspects from both means of administrations. a good initial high and a long lasting one in the same.

It looks like I may be buying more like 50 or 100 for personal use. My main problem is": how am I going to snort hydrocodone without clogging my damn nose with APAP? If you know of a reliable way (with minimal active chemical loss) I'm all ears.

Although there is some controversy over the effectiveness of this: whenever I have Xanax (I'm not really a benzo person) I absolutely have to sniff 1mg and swallow the rest for both effects. Instant high and lasting relaxation. I would love to sniff some opiates.

... it only takes about 3 weeks for opiates to completely exit your system leaving your tolerance nonexistent as if you were an ope virgin all over again.

Sorry to resurrect the thread, but this is something I've been wondering about:

IS that REALLY what happens to other people?

Because this summer I stopped all drugs in June-July. I grabbed a few OC 80's in mid september. I Snorted half of one. After 10 minutes, nothing, so I snorted the other half. Still nothing. Finally I snorted a whole extra OC 80, for a total of 160mg. I was pretty high then, but STILL. That's a fucking monster tolerance to have after 3 months of being clean, so I don't think the whole '3 weeks' deal is true.

I know this is an old thread, but I may have found something to help you snort it. It 'may' be possible to do an a/b using naoh as your base by -

dissolve said pills in water

base with naoh - now before I thought basing would result in freebasing both apap and hydro/other opiate. but, if using naoh, apparently the apap reacts with the naoh to form water soluble sodium acetaminophen oxide, which is insoluble in your nonpolar solvent. I think I read somewhere that this compound was a purpleish-brown color. typically freebase opiates are somewhat soluble in water, but more soluble in the nonpolar.

then you would wash with your nonpolar.

separate and save nonpolar layer.

evaporate the nonpolar.(w/o heat)

add to water

and add hcl (or other acid)

and then evaporate (w/o heat) to get your hydro salt.


thread was here -

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2174224


but using ether / methanol is unnecessary and using hardware store grade methanol will result in goo after evap. ( the goo being already present in the methanol). apparently, if you distill your methanol you will be left with an inch or two of goo at the bottom the the container.

so anybody wanna confirm this tek?


also

fuck yeah opiate tolerance decreases. at one point in my dope career i was doing a $40 piece and barely feeling it. after quitting for a mere 5-6 days, i was doing a $15-20 piece and feeling like i was going to stop breathing. it only takes about 3 weeks for opiates to completely exit your system leaving your tolerance nonexistent as if you were an ope virgin all over again.


Because this summer I stopped all drugs in June-July. I grabbed a few OC 80's in mid september. I Snorted half of one. After 10 minutes, nothing, so I snorted the other half. Still nothing. Finally I snorted a whole extra OC 80, for a total of 160mg. I was pretty high then, but STILL. That's a fucking monster tolerance to have after 3 months of being clean, so I don't think the whole '3 weeks' deal is true.

I've gone more than 6 months with no noticeable decrease in tolerance.

sorry for double post, but noone replied:(..

so I didn't have any opiates to try this on, but I did try reacting naoh with acetaminophen to see if it would change color, and it did indeed turn purple, so if I can assume this is insoluble in a nonpolar, then I can assume this works:).

also, if nobody wants to add anything, anybody mind if I post this in Lab Tips?

Shit, if that works, that's pretty cool...I'm not sure many people will have the patience to do an A\B when a CWE will get the job done but it's cool if only for novel purposes. (or IV)

And I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with a perma-fucked tolerance..:(

now all I'd have to do is figure out the stoichiometry, and get someone to back it up...

but yeah this would be perfect for snorting/IVing, but pointless for oral...

FFS dont IV hydrocodone

FFS dont IV hydrocodone

Apparently it's been done with extracted vicoden with good results before.

It's CODEINE that can cause problems when IVed.

Also, hydrocodone isn't the only thing combined with apap...

well, the tek would be for any pharmaceutical opiate combined with apap...

Apparently it's been done with extracted vicoden with good results before.

It's CODEINE that can cause problems when IVed.

Also, hydrocodone isn't the only thing combined with apap...

I was never contacted about those Viccoden so it doesn't look like I can do a trip report of IV hydrocodone. I may be scoring some oxy/dope, though, so I really can't complain. :p

Should I purchase a reasonable number of Viccoden (minimum?) I shall give it a try! More detailed instructions please?

I was never contacted about those Viccoden so it doesn't look like I can do a trip report of IV hydrocodone. I may be scoring some oxy/dope, though, so I really can't complain. :p

Should I purchase a reasonable number of Viccoden (minimum?) I shall give it a try! More detailed instructions please?

It really doesn't get more detailed.

I'm pretty sure mksnowboarder just did a bunch of CWEs on the same batch or vicoden, sucked up the precipitate, and banged it. He reported no ill effects.

I'm pretty sure mksnowboarder just did a bunch of CWEs on the same batch or vicoden, sucked up the precipitate, and banged it. He reported no ill effects.

I do remember that.

Maybe I will post a thread about this in Lab Tips.

ok stoichiometry time!

so let's say we are using 10 10/500 hydro pills
we have 100mg hydro and 5 grams apap
the mol. weight of naoh is 39.9971 g/mol, and the mol. weight of apap is 151.169 g/mol
now I'm not sure on this, but assuming one molecule naoh reacts with one molecule apap to produce sodium acetaminophen oxide (can anyone confirm that?) then you would need 39.9971 g naoh for every 151.169 g apap.

so then for 5g apap you would need 1.3229 g naoh.
now on top of that you would need to basify the water untill the hydro separates from the hcl. again, not sure what ph is required for that, but you could add incrementally, with the nonpolar layer added, and any hydro that has freebase will go over to the np layer. so you could add, say 2g naoh, shake, settle, and add 1g more, shake, settle, and so one. once the hydro transferres over, it won't be touched by the naoh, so overbasification shouldn't be a problem if the naoh is added incrementally.

now you would separate the nonpolar, and wash it again with fresh nonpolar, and combine both washes.

then you would evap the nonpolar (w/o heat), and add your freebase hydro to water.

now you need to acidify your water with hcl. the mol. weight of hcl is 36.46 g/mol, and the mol. weight of hydro is 299.368 g/mol. you have 100mg hydro, or .1g. so with .1g hydro, you would need .012g hcl. however, I think a certain ph is needed for the hcl to bond to the hydro, and I'm not sure what that is. but assuming you are using 33.333% hcl, than .036mL would be needed? that doesn't seem right, so you would probably need a min. ph, anyone know what that is?

an alternative to titrating would be gassing, and although it would be more work, exact measurements wouldn't be needed. basically you'd take a milk jug/something similar, and put a layer of calcium chloride on the bottom. then you would fix an airtight tube on the top and pour your hcl into into it, and then stick the end of the tube into the bottom of your unevaporated nonpolar solvent containing your freebase hydro. the hcl gas would bubble up, and (theoretically) your hydro hcl should precipitate out. then you would just filter, dry out, and pronto! pure hydrocodone hcl.

so anybody want to doublecheck this?

also, maybe we could get a mod to move this to Lab Tips?

so I made a thread here -


http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2176214