SWIM is wondering if it is better to sell a 2c- in a size 1 gel cap or in pressed pills.

Swim has come up with his pros and cons for caps and pills

Caps
Pros: easy to make, can make 15 a minute, can allow consumers to razorblade their doses easily, cheap, and easier to move equipment
Cons: Sketchy, not sure about market

Pills:
Pros:a popular source in my area, smaller and easier to carry, less sketchy, can be branded in a specific way (swim would like to put a eye of horus on the pills)
Cons: difficult for users to adjust dose, larger cost, can make 1 every minute, cannot move press easily, cannot be hidden among legit prescriptions to throw off others.

tl;dr: would swiy rather pay $5 for a pill or a cap, dosage and quality aside.

damn thats a hard one, one one hand, caps would be cheaper, easier and more efficient..but pressed pills would be more attractive to people and worry them less about sketchy substances...cause some people will see powder in a cap and not trust what it is....but a pill press is expensive and hard to move so idk... you know the clientele a little better than me so its up to you.

I've had a number of people question the things that I sell in caps, as with 2c's, the doses are really small, thus not filling the cap all the way.

If you're selling to stupids (which you really shouldn't be doing, in the case of RCs, but whatever you choose...) make pills.

If it's just a small market of people who know their stuff, caps will sell just as well imo.

Also, 15 caps a minute? Don't you measure the dosage at all?

A) to OP, SWIM is dead. Quit using it, you're not fooling anyone, and it's just silly.

B) from my experience selling 2c-blank, as long as the people you're selling to know what it is, it's easy enough to just sell little bags of powder. Tell people to mix one dose with about 4 oz of water and it goes down fine. Solves any issue of "manufacturing". Just a suggestion.

But why would one travel around with several baggies of powder when one could travel around with some pills/caps hidden with other pills/caps? It'd be much easier to hide IMO.

I used to push 2c-blank, and honestly, if you go to a craft store and buy little bags, say 1 inch by 1 inch, it's really not a big deal to carry 20 in your pocket. You can put them all in a bigger ziplok, and it's just like carrying a quarter-ounce of weed or something (and that's way more than 20 bags).

I personally would rather have gell caps. But from a customer perspective, I think pills would fly better. IMO customers LOVE vials, no kidding, buy a few hundred small vials on ebay, use liquid measurement, add a little alchy for shelf life and there you go. If you want to get fancy, color the liquid and put your eye of horus on the vials. With a syringe or pipette, you could easily make 5-15 per minute, probably more. But from the sounds of it, you have a mg scale and don't need to liquid measure.

IMO customers LOVE vials, no kidding, buy a few hundred small vials on ebay, use liquid measurement, add a little alchy for shelf life and there you go. If you want to get fancy, color the liquid and put your eye of horus on the vials.

This is a very interesting method of producing/ storing the 2c. swim could also add a disclaimer sticker to the bottom to avoid legal problems, and brand them. swim could attract a specific market with this, but they could be even sketchier than the caps.

Branded and disclaimed craft bags could also work, but could not be sold at parties.

Swim's opinion (best to worst)
Price per unit
Caps, bags, probable tie with pills and vials
Sketch factor
Pills caps vials bags
Legality
bags or vials, caps, pills

overall
caps, vials, pills, bags
Swim is open to suggestions

Edit: swim is rather fond of the term swim

Also, 15 caps a minute? Don't you measure the dosage at all?

Swim uses a self perfected technique involving fillers and a cap em quick, dosage is 10mg +/- 2 mg.
Swim will also be selling mostly to experienced ravers and psyconauts, but will probably move 25% of product to stupids. Swim will be sure to only sell them small doses the first time and tell them some other info.

swim could also add a disclaimer sticker to the bottom to avoid legal problems,

LOL, what?

Unless you got a pill press or some efficient way of pressing them, I'd just go for gel caps or baggies. Much easier and convenient.

Swim will probably sell 95% of product in cap form and the rest in baggies or vials to special customers.

Swim will also be very very careful, as he does not want to be the one person that causes 2c-I to become illegal

Swim will sell black and white size 1 caps

vials and you'll be able to push them for MUCH higher.

2c-b is illegal.

The drug analog act exists...

Ergo, despite the idiocy behind both of those laws, 2c-i is illegal.

Phail.

Also, don't use bags. Little bits of powder getting stuck inside the baggies is ok for something like coke, but for your RCs, since they're active in pretty little doses, caps, pills, or vials are better.

By which I mean "use caps."

Swim lives in canada, 2c-i is (just slightly) legal here.

From the perspective of the average drug consumer, I'm sure they would much rather have pressed pills. It makes it look a lot more "official", and little baggies are just way too sketchy. But if that's too much of a hassle (I've heard pill presses can be somewhat difficult or whatever), I'd say go for capsules. That'd be the easiest, and I think that wouldn't be as sketchy as bags.

Plus, pills or caps, very easy to carry/dispense whatever.

with the amount of 2c-i needed to trip wouldn't you have to put a shitload of filler to press into a pill? the only time i've seen it it was in capsules and everyone seemed to be satisfied with that.

Stop using SWIM.

Cons: Sketchy, not sure about market

At raves and things of the sort, like you mentioned is your main target -- people are very used to seeing stuff in capsules. Don't sweat it. As long as you don't come off as a total sketch you'll be fine.

smaller and easier to carry

Not significantly so

less sketchy

Many vitamin supplements and things of the like are in capsules and will look just like your homemade goodies. They will be just as "unsketchy" as an obvious amateur pressed pill. However, if you have the equipment to quickly press pills that are high enough quality to press very clean looking pills, then by all means...

can be branded in a specific way (swim would like to put a eye of horus on the pills)

Pill dies are expensive and difficult to track down. Also, since you're worried about sketchy, this is the best way to raise some red flags.

make 1 every minute, cannot move press easily

Some of the cheaper presses are a huge pain in the ass and occasionally will be stubborn and take a bit longer to press a solid pill. But, those same presses are generally rather small and easy to transport. The big ones are expensive as hell, but you'd have no reason to transport it.

would swiy rather pay $5 for a pill or a cap, dosage and quality aside.

Assuming you're getting the same product, a cap. To press a pill you're going to need a significant amount of binder. Several hundred percent more than the actual drug itself. With caps, people can remove the (almost) pure drug and take it however they please.


disclaimer sticker to the bottom to avoid legal problems

Good luck. If they're branded, they're going to test the pills. It's as simple as that.

Branded and disclaimed craft bags could also work, but could not be sold at parties.

If you're traveling with a bunch of pre-weighed bags they'll most certainly try to get you on the analog act. If that doesn't say intention to distribute, I don't know what does.

as he does not want to be the one person that causes 2c-I to become illegal

Rest assured, 2c-i is on the waiting list of chemicals to be scheduled. It's not an overnight process -- they've had their eyes on many RCs pretty much as long as there's been a market for them.



I hope I didn't write all that shit for no reason.

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