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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-11-12, 07:28
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Percocet or Oxycontin?
Which one fucks you up more? I hear that Oxycontin has more Oxycodone in it but the acetaminophen in Percocet increases the the effects of the Oxycodone.
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#2
 2008-11-12, 07:35
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
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Originally Posted by allcityking
Which one fucks you up more? I hear that Oxycontin has more Oxycodone in it but the acetaminophen in Percocet increases the the effects of the Oxycodone.
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it increases the painkilling effects ya DUMMEH
not the high ya WANK
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#3
 2008-11-12, 09:28
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Aces N 8S 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
They are both the same opiate. If you take 10 10mg percs you will be more fucked up that if you take an OC 80. Where as, if you take 20mg of precocet 40mg of OC will fuck you up more.
The APAP in percs is just tylenol. It does nothing to potenate the oxy, it just reduces your inflamation and relieves some pain without causing any euphoria.
The only difference is that becasue percs have APAP in them they can only be taken orally. OC on the other hand can be snorted or injected as well.
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#4
 2008-11-12, 10:18
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
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Originally Posted by allcityking
Which one fucks you up more? I hear that Oxycontin has more Oxycodone in it but the acetaminophen in Percocet increases the the effects of the Oxycodone.
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Apap only would potentiate the anagesic properties of the oxy. The apap also will cause hepatic damage otherwise known as liver damge if you have any kind of semi large habit. Like if your taking the max allowed dose of oxy everyday. So oxycontin is better than percs because you get more and you dont have to worry about liver damage from them.
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#5
 2008-11-12, 12:17
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Your medicine cabinet
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
The OP needs to buy some of these 500 mg Vicodin off me for $10 a pill.
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#6
 2008-11-12, 15:18
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One Last Caress 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
The only difference is that becasue percs have APAP in them they can only be taken orally. OC on the other hand can be snorted or injected as well.
So why can't you snort them?
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#7
 2008-11-12, 15:26
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
So why can't you snort them?
You can but you shouldnt. first of all, oxcodone has a higher oral bioavailbility so there is no point except maybe a faster onset. But all that acetamenophen and filler/binder blockage would negate that faster onset.
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#8
 2008-11-12, 15:30
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
You can but you shouldnt. first of all, oxcodone has a higher oral bioavailbility so there is no point except maybe a faster onset. But all that acetamenophen and filler/binder blockage would negate that faster onset.
mhmm, OP just chew em up if you want faster absorption
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#9
 2008-11-12, 16:38
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
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Originally Posted by Piles Of Crack
The OP needs to buy some of these 500 mg Vicodin off me for $10 a pill.
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Lol seems like a fair price, where you been at POC? Or am I just horribly oblivious?
On topic: Oxy. Why? That's a secret!
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#10
 2008-11-12, 17:10
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Internet-Weed-Dude 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
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Originally Posted by allcityking
Which one fucks you up more? I hear that Oxycontin has more Oxycodone in it but the acetaminophen in Percocet increases the the effects of the Oxycodone.
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First of all, you are a fucking idiot. Secondly, it's the same drug. there's 5mg of oxycodone in a perc, sometimes ten. oxycontin come in different strengths, usually 10, 20, 40, and 80. taking 4 5mg percs would = an oxy 20 and so on. the only difference is the tylenol. god you are an idiot for not already knowing that. Fuck you.
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#11
 2008-11-12, 20:18
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
First of all, you are a fucking idiot. Secondly, it's the same drug. there's 5mg of oxycodone in a perc, sometimes ten. oxycontin come in different strengths, usually 10, 20, 40, and 80. taking 4 5mg percs would = an oxy 20 and so on. the only difference is the tylenol. god you are an idiot for not already knowing that. Fuck you.
And the time release mechanism in oxycontin that causes a slower absorbtion and onset and longer duration.
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#12
 2008-11-12, 20:36
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jator 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Lol seems like a fair price, where you been at POC? Or am I just horribly oblivious?
On topic: Oxy. Why? That's a secret!
I wasn't aware that he had dissapeared.
@ OP: They're the same thing man. Oxycontin's better in my opinion because you can snort it, not to say you can't snort percocet but you get much less out of it.
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#13
 2008-11-13, 02:53
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
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Originally Posted by allcityking
Which one fucks you up more? I hear that Oxycontin has more Oxycodone in it but the acetaminophen in Percocet increases the the effects of the Oxycodone.
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Per pill, Oxycontin will fuck you up way more. The thing about the acetaminophen is just stupid, it does nothing.
Oh yeah, and percocets can be snorted. I hate it when people say that they aren't. Don't overdo it unless you got a nose like a vacuum, but yeah, they snort fine. Its just the majority of pussies cant handle a little extra powder.
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#14
 2008-11-13, 03:12
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Per pill, Oxycontin will fuck you up way more. The thing about the acetaminophen is just stupid, it does nothing.
Oh yeah, and percocets can be snorted. I hate it when people say that they aren't. Don't overdo it unless you got a nose like a vacuum, but yeah, they snort fine. Its just the majority of pussies cant handle a little extra powder.
Dude look at my post onthat and you will understand why they "dont snort fine."
i will jst repost it.
You can but you shouldnt. first of all, oxcodone has a higher oral bioavailbility so there is no point except maybe a faster onset. But all that acetamenophen and filler/binder blockage would negate that faster onset anyway. and posible to some not even getting absorbed.
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#15
 2008-11-13, 03:18
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Dude look at my post onthat and you will understand why they "dont snort fine."
i will jst repost it.
You can but you shouldnt. first of all, oxcodone has a higher oral bioavailbility so there is no point except maybe a faster onset. But all that acetamenophen and filler/binder blockage would negate that faster onset anyway. and posible to some not even getting absorbed.
I can snort a perc in one line, with little to no discomfort. It gives me a slightly different high than if I were to eat it, but is not weaker than taking it orally.
As long as you don't mind snorting extra powder, they are fine.
Yeah, of course I would prefer an OC, but I can't always have that luxury.
And fuck that whole bioavailability bit. I really don't buy it. I will be nodding way harder if I snort an 80 than if I eat it, and been doing oxy semi-daily for like 5 years. If your going to say something, say something that you can vouch for personally, not just facts and filler.
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#16
 2008-11-13, 03:29
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
I can snort a perc in one line, with little to no discomfort. It gives me a slightly different high than if I were to eat it, but is not weaker than taking it orally.
As long as you don't mind snorting extra powder, they are fine.
Yeah, of course I would prefer an OC, but I can't always have that luxury.
And fuck that whole bioavailability bit. I really don't buy it. I will be nodding way harder if I snort an 80 than if I eat it, and been doing oxy semi-daily for like 5 years. If your going to say something, say something that you can vouch for personally, not just facts and filler.
well you sir are a moron, if you want to snort tylenol for a "slightly different high," that is fine but tylenol will not get you high sorry. Snorting oxy with all that filler and binder is bad enough but snorting percs with more filler/binder+ tylenol is just horrible.
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#17
 2008-11-13, 03:37
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
well you sir are a moron if you want to snort tylenol for a "slightly different high" that is fine but tylenol will not get you high sorry. Snorting oxy with all that filler and binder is bad enough but snorting percs with more filler/binder+ tylenol is just horrible.
You sound like a total pussy in your post. I didn't say that it was the tylenol that made any difference. I said that snorting oxy gives a slightly different high than eating it. It seems to me like you probably have not experimented to much with opiates. Why do you think the majority of people snort there OC? Could it be that it kicks in quicker and more intense? Perc's have 5mg of oxy, with a shitload of tylenol. I still prefer to snort them because I prefer to snort oxycodone period, and I can handle a little extra powder.
Is your e-peen inflated enough yet? Maybe people will think your a really cool guy cause you know so much about drugs! 
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#18
 2008-11-13, 03:40
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
good god go for the OC , fuck an acetaminophen !!
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#19
 2008-11-13, 03:54
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
And fuck that whole bioavailability bit. I really don't buy it. I will be nodding way harder if I snort an 80 than if I eat it, and been doing oxy semi-daily for like 5 years. If your going to say something, say something that you can vouch for personally, not just facts and filler.
Dude, this isn't the only stupid thing you've said but holy shit. It is a FACT that you get higher from eating oxycodone than snorting it, and significantly so. It just doesn't come on as fast. Obviously you are so experienced with oxy that you must not be crushing/chewing the pill to defeat the time release, or are just plain retarded (seems likely).
"Facts" and 'filler' as you stupidly put it HELP you unlike 'personal vouching' otherwise known as 'opinions, misinformation and stupidity' which can cause everything from wasted time/money to DEATH.
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#20
 2008-11-13, 04:04
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Dude, this isn't the only stupid thing you've said but holy shit. It is a FACT that you get higher from eating oxycodone than snorting it, and significantly so. It just doesn't come on as fast. Obviously you are so experienced with oxy that you must not be crushing/chewing the pill to defeat the time release, or are just plain retarded (seems likely).
"Facts" and 'filler' as you stupidly put it HELP you unlike 'personal vouching' otherwise known as 'opinions, misinformation and stupidity' which can cause everything from wasted time/money to DEATH.
When I snort oxy, I get much higher than I do when I eat it. When I eat it (parachuted) it doesn't get me quite as high but lasts longer. I can't usually nod when I eat it also, but when I snort it, I can nod pretty hard.
Wasn't really trying to be a dick I'm just saying that what is "scientifically proven" is just not true for me. It does not make much sense I know, but I have been doing this for a long time. I started out by eating the crushed pills, and I was unhappy with the effects. Once I started snorting them I was able to get the high I wanted.
If eating oxy gets everyone "significantly higher" than why do so many people snort their pills?
I'm not saying that your wrong, I just don't get why I can get a way stronger high by snorting them.
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#21
 2008-11-13, 04:05
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
I can snort a perc in one line, with little to no discomfort. It gives me a slightly different high than if I were to eat it, but is not weaker than taking it orally.
As long as you don't mind snorting extra powder, they are fine.
Yeah, great, 1 perc in one fat line. Wanna snort twelve of them? Because that's about the minimum it's gonna take for me to feel anything at all. That's several grams of powder up your nose. That's why you don't snort percs.
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#22
 2008-11-13, 04:10
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Yeah, great, 1 perc in one fat line. Wanna snort twelve of them? Because that's about the minimum it's gonna take for me to feel anything at all. That's several grams of powder up your nose. That's why you don't snort percs.
1 percocet weighs almost 1 gram. If you want to keep your nose just pop the shit and do not listen to drsuicides advice.
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#23
 2008-11-13, 04:11
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Yeah, great, 1 perc in one fat line. Wanna snort twelve of them? Because that's about the minimum it's gonna take for me to feel anything at all. That's several grams of powder up your nose. That's why you don't snort percs.
Alright whatever, I'm done! Different strokes I guess. :D
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#24
 2008-11-13, 04:11
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
1 percocet weighs almost 1 gram. If you want to keep your nose just pop the shit and do not listen to drsuicides advice.
I have put countless pills up my nose, and it is in perfect condition.
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#25
 2008-11-13, 04:14
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
I have put countless pills up my nose, and it is in perfect condition.
I loled. Have fun. You sound like a winner.
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#26
 2008-11-13, 04:15
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
I loled. Have fun. You sound like a winner.
You said that sniffing pills leads to a fucked up nose, I've been doing it and my nose is as good as it ever was.
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#27
 2008-11-13, 04:44
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ilovechronic 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
You said that sniffing pills leads to a fucked up nose, I've been doing it and my nose is as good as it ever was.
Whatever you say, deny it all you want, it doesn't mean your nose is in perfect shape. in fact I can gurentee your nose will have issues later on in your life.
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#28
 2008-11-13, 04:45
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
Whatever you say, deny it all you want, it doesn't mean your nose is in perfect shape. in fact I can gurentee your nose will have issues later on in your life.
Alright whatever you say. I am sure you know my nose better than myself.
This is just getting gay, let it die.
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#29
 2008-11-13, 10:48
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Aces N 8S 
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
When I snort oxy, I get much higher than I do when I eat it. When I eat it (parachuted) it doesn't get me quite as high but lasts longer. I can't usually nod when I eat it also, but when I snort it, I can nod pretty hard.
Wasn't really trying to be a dick I'm just saying that what is "scientifically proven" is just not true for me. It does not make much sense I know, but I have been doing this for a long time. I started out by eating the crushed pills, and I was unhappy with the effects. Once I started snorting them I was able to get the high I wanted.
If eating oxy gets everyone "significantly higher" than why do so many people snort their pills?
I'm not saying that your wrong, I just don't get why I can get a way stronger high by snorting them.
how fucked up you get is the result of how much drug is in your brain at one time. Bioavailability is the total percentage of the drug that is absorbed.
You get higher when you snort it becasue all of it that will be absorbed is absorbed at once. this leads to a high total amount of oxy in the blrain. If you eat it, more of it is absorbed, but it is absorbed much slower. This means that it has a higher bioavailability than insufflation, even though the amount of oxy in your system at one time never gets as high as it does when you snort it.
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#30
 2008-11-13, 22:10
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Re: Percocet or Oxycontin?
As a side note related to this whole bioavailability question, bioavailability varies from person to person. I'm an extreme case--I can't absorb much orally. I have this thing called celiac disease, which basically means you can't eat any wheat or else it fucks up your intestines. Your villi get blunted and worn down until your intestinal walls are smooth. I didn't know about it for a long time, and as a result of eating all that wheat over the years, my intestines are totally fucked. I have trouble absorbing food, nutrients, pills; anything that goes in my mouth. I can eat a LOT of oxycontin and feel next to nothing. Snort it, though, and everything works great. My oral bioavailability is much lower than my nasal. I guarantee the same is true, maybe to a lesser extent, for others on this board, because some people just absorb stuff better than others. Just don't assume what's true for you or what it says on erowid is true for everyone.
BTW: They think celiac disease occurs in about 1% of the population, and it's REALLY under-diagnosed. Some of you reading this probably have exactly the same thing.
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