Not sure if I can post a link but... http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-ethnobotanicals/ayahuasca-kit. Something like that, just wondered if anyone has ever ordered anything similair and their experience with it.

Just order the things seperate you might spend a few more bucks at most, but will have much more than a 1 person dose.

Sorry about the title, meant to say "ease", it's late and I'm tired. Anyways....

I've read methods on producing both. But I want some personal opinions. Which would be easier to produce?

Right now I'm in a difficult situation as I will be living with my parents for another year so stealth is the most important thing to me.

For consuming the shrooms I plan to go to my best friends whom I love to go on shroom adventures with.

As for the Ayahuasca I've never tried it before, and I might take it with my other friend who takes a much more serious and spiritual look on psychadelics.

Also what are some personal pro's and con's of each?

Oh and the reason I ask about production is because psychedelics are DEAD around my area. Everyone is to hyped up on their meth or heroin, which there is an abundance of.

Thanks for the suggestions bltc

DMT is one of the cheapest and easiest drugs to make (technically extract) in your house. Everything needed can be had for arouns $120. Plus, your biggest expense, the pressure cooker ($80 or so), can be reused for your other batches, and I hear cooking too.

The whole process can be done in less than 12 hours, produces no smell, poses no danger, and has pretty good yields considering how cheap and easy it is to do.

Mushrooms are harder to grow and harder to hide. They're harder to grow becasue the humidity, temperature, and sterilization all have be controlled exactly, or your whole crop will be destroyed. Its also harder to hide because the places you can grow them are limited, and becasue the process takes so long, you have to stop your parents from finding them for weeks instead of hours.

Im not too familiar with Ayahuasca, but a little research should answer your question there.

The only Pro of shrooms over DMT is that they're way way easier to sell and way more profitable, especially if there really is no stable supply of shrooms in yor area.

All that being said, it is pretty disrespectful to manufacture drugs in your parents house. Just wait until you move out and can absorb the entire legal risk.

The only Pro of shrooms over DMT is that they're way way easier to sell and way more profitable, especially if there really is no stable supply of shrooms in yor area.

All that being said, it is pretty disrespectful to manufacture drugs in your parents house. Just wait until you move out and can absorb the entire legal risk.

Isnt psylocin a form of DMT? So a pro would be you get a type of dmt and you get shrooms.

Psilocin:
4-HO-DMT

psilocybin:
4-HO-DMT Phosphate Esther or : 3-[2-(Dimethylamino)ethyl]-1H-indol-4-ol dihydrogen phosphate ester
Alternative names:O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine; Indocybin

I'm going to get flamed for this but check out Homestead Books for a real simple one tub mushroom kit tell them you just want a refill kit and it's only 80.00 damn good deal for 4 ounces of shrooms in my opinion.

With a ~$100 investment, you can produce LARGE quantities of mushrooms EASILY using this method: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5278987#5278987

And buying all your stuff from: www.mycopath.com (the site I guess is currently down, but you can still get an idea of what to get, they will probably be up again soon, grahm is great. Take a look at the shroomery sponsors for supplies too.)

and: http://www.ralphstersspores.com

And it is even easier to extract DMT from mimosa!

You live in berdoo? Shouldn't you be running around with biker gangs or something?

Biker gangs? Ha well I've seen em around but I'm a senior in high school and I'm taken classes at the local community college.

And I'm not looking to produce mass quantity. Psychedelics are dead (except for acid which I might get my hands on saturday) I just really want to do some sort of psychedelic.... I need a life shattering, eyeopening experience right about now... life is so lame sometimes.

read up on mushroom hunting.

It is not that easy. you will have to do alot of research because of the poisonous look-a-likes. Also you will need to do research on making spore prints for the ultimate test. It would probably be best to go hunting with a expert many times before you ever try to on your own, and even the experts fuck up sometimes.

It is not that easy. you will have to do alot of research because of the poisonous look-a-likes. Also you will need to do research on making spore prints for the ultimate test. It would probably be best to go hunting with a expert many times before you ever try to on your own, and even the experts fuck up sometimes.

it's pretty fucking easy for me

it's pretty fucking easy for me

well you sound lke you are not thinking of the consequences of picking a bad shroom and you also seem pretty careless. All you could offer was look up shroom hunting, and you do this your self? Proper identificatons are a MUST in mycology, it can be the difference between life and death.

The whole process can be done in less than 12 hours, produces no smell, poses no danger, and has pretty good yields considering how cheap and easy it is to do.

the solution can easily blind you and the solvent fumes will give you cancer

mushroom growing can be a self perpetuating cycle. dmt will cost you at least $50 for 20 good doses

mushrooms are more fun

more fun = more win

grow mushrooms

do it

I am also very interested in this. Has anyone used this site? It looks legit, but I guess you can never be too sure.

On the site, they list Amanita Muscaria 10x Extract (http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-products/amanita-muscaria-10x-extract.html). How could that be ingested? parachuting? tea?

Buy separately.


Document trip. I will be mad if you do not. You better have a nice and crazy trip, motherfucker.

Forget the lies and propaganda this man has told you!

The DMT is the end-all. The nexus of the hives of many smaller nexuses and smaller hives and shit. Some weird honeycomb bee-eyes yellow and black striped reality stingers. Honeydew qq.

Anyway, I don't see why you can't do both. At the same time and possibly even in the same vein.

Just read up on growing....find the best method for you in your current situation. Its quite easy.

They also sell dried Peruvian Torch cactus.
http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xcart/shamanic-products/trichocereus-peruvianus-traditional-dried-tissue.html
How would that be ingested? They sell 28 grams for $35, how many grams should be taken by one person for a dose?

you throw two plants in a pot and boil the shit outta them

why do you need a kit for that? are you just stupid?

Just read up on growing....find the best method for you in your current situation. Its quite easy.

mushroom hunting is funner, especially when you're already on shrooms

you can stumble across patches with enough shrooms to keep you fed for weeks. beats doing all that sanitizing and inoc'ing and waiting

mushroom hunting is funner, especially when you're already on shrooms

you can stumble across patches with enough shrooms to keep you fed for weeks. beats doing all that sanitizing and inoc'ing and waiting

I and the majority of growers out there beg to differ.

the solution can easily blind you and the solvent fumes will give you cancer
dmt will cost you at least $50 for 20 good doses


do it

ddude that statment is contradicting itself. Mushrooms contain dmt and i can buy a dose of mushrooms for 10 dollars, therefore it costs me 10 dollars for a dose of dmt.

ddude that statment is contradicting itself. Mushrooms contain dmt and i can buy a dose of mushrooms for 10 dollars, therefore it costs me 10 dollars for a dose of dmt.

Yeah, 4-ho-dmt =P

you can grow mushrooms outdoors too

ddude that statment is contradicting itself. Mushrooms contain dmt and i can buy a dose of mushrooms for 10 dollars, therefore it costs me 10 dollars for a dose of dmt.

you are so fucking stupid i dont know if i should even bother educating your dumb shit-for-brains ass, because you may very well be retarded and beyond my hope


if you are a chimpanze i offer you my forgiveness.

ddude that statment is contradicting itself. Mushrooms contain dmt and i can buy a dose of mushrooms for 10 dollars, therefore it costs me 10 dollars for a dose of dmt.

N,N-DMT
4-HO-DMT
5-MeO-DMT

They're all different compounds, I mean, they're all psychedelic, but they're not equivalents, it's like comparing H2O and H2O2, they're just NOT the same.

Grow the mushrooms, and then get 200 proof ethyl alcohol.

Pulverize as many as you want/can, put them in the right jar, pour enough of the alcohol over them just to cover them, wait for a while, repeat processes, etc.

Psilocybin extract, but be careful with the dosage. I kept my spore syringes for this very reason, it says 1 cc of it could be equal to 3 grams, 7 grams, as potent as you like.

http://www.shroomery.org/6274/Mushroom-Extract

Supposed to be a more colorful and visually satisfying trip.

Yeah, 4-ho-dmt =P

it is still a form of dmt though.

you are so fucking stupid i dont know if i should even bother educating your dumb shit-for-brains ass, because you may very well be retarded and beyond my hope


if you are a chimpanze i offer you my forgiveness.Shut up acolyte. I know there is a difference between different tryptamines. Just because the effects are different doesnot mean it is not a type of DMT because OBVIOUSLY it is a form of dmt. But my point is, it is NOT 50$ for a dose of dmt if you extract it your self from plants that contain it or just buy mushrooms which do contain a form of DMT.

N,N-DMT
4-HO-DMT
5-MeO-DMT

They're all different compounds, I mean, they're all psychedelic, but they're not equivalents, it's like comparing H2O and H2O2, they're just NOT the same.And I understand this and I understood this. When did I say they were equivalents?They are all different compunds but they have one thing in common and that is they are tryptamines. They are all forms of dimethyltryptamine. I never said they they were all the same nor did i say their effects were exactly the same, I just was making the point that you can get a type of DMT for cheaper than he stated. And you can get the type of dmt he meant from many different sources and it would not cost 50 dollars for 2 doses anyway to extract. Maybe for 2 doses of the DMT compounds availible from research chem suppliers.

it is still dmt though.

Shut up acolyte. I know there is a difference between different tryptamines. just because the effects are different doesnot mean it is not a type of dmt because OBVIOUSLY it is a form of dmt. But my point is, it is NOT 50$ for a dose of dmt.

If you want to experience DMT, why not go for the most dominant form, whichever that is? To me itd seem just like I was tripping on mushrooms rather than something new like 4-ho-dmt.

I was just reading up on cultivation, I found a document talking about how the addition of .16 grams of tryptamines in the substrate or wherever can greatly increase potency.

If you want to experience DMT, why not go for the most dominant form, whichever that is? To me itd seem just like I was tripping on mushrooms rather than something new like 4-ho-dmt.

I was just reading up on cultivation, I found a document talking about how the addition of .16 grams of tryptamines in the substrate or wherever can greatly increase potency.

I have heard of that also. Something about adding different tryptamines to the substrate like you said and it can produce new hybrid tryptamines that are basically legal if it wasnt for the analogue act, which that would only apply in the US, so in other countries with no analogue laws it could produce new legal tryptamines. I wish i could fint the article or the info on that it is really interesting.

And 4-ho-dmt is psilocin (one of the actives i mushrooms)if you didn't already know.

To me itd seem just like I was tripping on mushrooms rather than something new like 4-ho-dmt.

.This kind of confused me?

it is still a form of dmt though.


ok. what else can you tell me about this relation besides the name? you're trying to educate me, so educate me.

Shut up acolyte. I know there is a difference between different tryptamines. Just because the effects are different doesnot mean it is not a type of DMT because OBVIOUSLY it is a form of dmt. But my point is, it is NOT 50$ for a dose of dmt if you extract it your self from plants that contain it or just buy mushrooms which do contain a form of DMT.



so your point is: shrooms have similar chemicals as indicated by the nomenclature, and that someone should take shrooms in placement of real aya/dmt because its all close enough?
hey i know two chicks named jane, one is a fat bitch and the other is totally porn star quality. you can have the fatass, aight?

And I understand this and I understood this. When did I say they were equivalents?They are all different compunds but they have one thing in common and that is they are tryptamines. They are all forms of dimethyltryptamine. I never said they they were all the same nor did i say their effects were exactly the same, I just was making the point that you can get a type of DMT for cheaper than he stated. And you can get the type of dmt he meant from many different sources and it would not cost 50 dollars for 2 doses anyway to extract. Maybe for 2 doses of the DMT compounds availible from research chem suppliers.

so, in reality you were just being a smartass, and now you're trying to bullshit your way out of looking like a fuckstick?

oh and wow i just noticed how you completely butched my chart. good going you foaming retard. two fucking numbers, either you couldn't remember them correctly or you just didn't understand the first time around (again indicating your level of dipshittery). you buy a pound, or half pound w/e, for 50 bucks on average. you extract that to yield near maximum of .8g/1/2lb, and since you obviously know tons of shit you can just figure out how many doses you can get from that amount. it is not a bad price at all, but it easily falls in the middle-upper average price range of drug

ok. what else can you tell me about this relation besides the name? you're trying to educate me, so educate me.




so your point is: shrooms have similar chemicals as indicated by the nomenclature, and that someone should take shrooms in placement of real aya/dmt because its all close enough?
hey i know two chicks named jane, one is a fat bitch and the other is totally porn star quality. you can have the fatass, aight?



so, in reality you were just being a smartass, and now you're trying to bullshit your way out of looking like a fuckstick?
um no i am not. Just pointing out that it is not that expensive for dmt. SO STFU acolyte. your insults dont hurt my feelings btw.
I can tell you that one way they differ is the dmt your talking about is usually smoked and inactive orally unless used with ayhausha. While the type of dmt in mushrooms is very active orally and inactive/destroyed when smoked.
Dont get mad at me because you get ripped off on your dmt or extraction chemicals.

um no i am not. Just pointing out that it is not that expensive for dmt. SO STFU acolyte. your insults dont hurt my feelings btw.
I can tell you that one way they differ is the dmt your talking about is usually smoked and inactive orally unless used with ayhausha. While the type of dmt in mushrooms is very active orally and inactive/destroyed when smoked.
Dont get mad at me because you get ripped off on your dmt or extraction chemicals.

what youre pointing out has no point to do with my point, because my point was pointing out someone elses' point which was proved erroneous by my point.

ripped off? feel free to argue with my math

and man, acolyte? really? you could have called me anything else, like an asshole, or douchebag licking cuntwipe, but acolyte? come on, can you be that retarded?

what youre pointing out has no point to do with my point, because my point was pointing out someone elses' point which was proved erroneous by my point.

ripped off? feel free to argue with my math

and man, acolyte? really? you could have called me anything else, like an asshole, or douchebag licking cuntwipe, but acolyte? come on, can you be that retarded?

And dude. Just shut the fuck up and drop it jesus. The first time I said it I meant it. There is no point to carry on about is and bitch,moan and cry about it. That was not an insult you moron. That is your title, and acolytes are comonly told to STFU, so I told you to STFU. And once again drop it and sTFU.

And dude. Just shut the fuck up and drop it jesus. The first time I said it I meant it. There is no point to carry on about is and bitch,moan and cry about it. That was not an insult you moron. That is your title, and acolytes are comonly told to STFU, so I told you to STFU. And once again drop it and sTFU.

i wish my title was ilovechronic, then i'd have an excuse when i say something as retarded as you do.

i wish my title was ilovechronic, then i'd have an excuse when i say something as retarded as you do.

Oh yeah, you are a regular old genius yourself buddy. your title should be cry baby though. Would you like me to overnight you a tissue?

Oh yeah, you are a regular old genius yourself buddy. your title should be cry baby though. Would you like me to overnight you a tissue?

the only tears i shed are the ones that i shoot up yo mammas cooch

no tissue necessary

the only tears i shed are the ones that i shoot up yo mammas cooch

no tissue necessary

Lol. havnt hit pubert yet huh? One day those little nuts will drop and you will start producing some semen/sperm.

Lol. havnt hit pubert yet huh? One day those little nuts will drop and you will start producing some semen/sperm.

mayb

if i were you tho i'd be a little more concerned about my mom banging little kids than where my stage of sexual development is at. god what a perv

http://www.ifilmdb.com/Crunchyroll/Pictures/ArguingOnTheInternet-Special%20Olympics.jpg


its cliche but... really guys.

mayb

if i were you tho i'd be a little more concerned about my mom banging little kids than where my stage of sexual development is at. god what a perv

wow you are an idiot. I am not concerned at al what my mom does. She definetly is not going to be molesting little kids. She has to change dirty babies smelly diapers for a living so she is going to avoid children as much as possible when not at the hospital.

Once again dude. Just drop it, you really are starting to look like a jackass.

http://www.ifilmdb.com/Crunchyroll/Pictures/ArguingOnTheInternet-Special%20Olympics.jpg


its cliche but... really guys.And i have stated to just drop it for the last hour. and he just keeps on trying to insult me, which is funny because it has no effect other than being funny.

wow you are an idiot. I am not concerned at al what my mom does. She definetly is not going to be molesting little kids. She has to change dirty babies smelly diapers for a living so she is going to avoid children as much as possible when not at the hospital.

Once again dude. Just drop it, you really are starting to look like a jackass.

ew, your mom sounds disgusting. i wouldn't be suprised if she sometimes spends extra long looking at the baby's genitalia

ew, your mom sounds disgusting. Shit it pays the bills. And it is good money. I am sure she doesnt because she is not into babies like you.

Shit it pays the bills. And it is good money. I am sure she doesnt because she is not into babies like you.

thank god babies love taking shits then huh?

I know who started it chronic, he is just antagonizing you. But you don't need to keep giving him fap material.

4 ho dmt is dmt with oxygen attached to it. this makes it orally active.

Lol. huh, he must be getting off on this. Except he admited he has yet to start puberty so I dont know how much fappage he will be capible of doing?

4 ho dmt is dmt with oxygen attached to it. this makes it orally active.

Thank you, that is interesting to know.

If you want to experience DMT, why not go for the most dominant form, whichever that is? To me itd seem just like I was tripping on mushrooms rather than something new like 4-ho-dmt.

I was just reading up on cultivation, I found a document talking about how the addition of .16 grams of tryptamines in the substrate or wherever can greatly increase potency.i think this is what you were suggesting baliente?

Here we go this is what I was talking about, very interesting. Normally it would take a 10 step synth to produce but:
" Their paper cites a 10 step synthesis of 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT from ortho-vanillin. However, Alexander Shulgin has explained that it could be possible to cultivate 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT in psilocybin mushrooms by adding 5-MeO-DMT to the growing substrate of the fungus. Though this method has never been explored with 5-MeO-DMT, it has been used successfully for changing DET into 4-HO-DET and 4-PO-DET, both of which had never before been found in nature.[2"

"In the case of DET the mushrooms yielded only 4-HO-DET or 4-PO-DET respectively, instead of psilocin (4-HO-DMT) and psilocybin (4-PO-DMT), suggesting that the presence of the extraneous N-dialkylated tryptamines competed for the enzymes in the fungus mycelium that would normally produce psilocin. This method thus not only produced new chemical compounds that had never previously been made synthetically, but also rendered the fungus itself completely legal in many countries because of its absence of psilocin or psilocybin, although in countries with stricter drug analogue laws such as the USA or Australia the novel tryptamines produced would also be illegal."
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Hydroxy-5-methoxydimethyltryptamine


so if it produces 4-ho-det it will be legal in countries without an analogue act.
4-ho-5-meo-dmt cant be made with mushrooms by adding 5 meo dmt to the substrate, very interesting.

Lol. huh, he must be getting off on this. Except he admited he has yet to start puberty so I dont know how much fappage he will be capible of doing?


man it sucks you missed out on all your prepubescent fapping days. god it was great to be able to jack off and not worry about cleanup.

Also, 4-PO-DET( CEY-39; 4-phosphoryloxy-DET; 4-PO-DET) is also known as Ethocybin. Seems pretty interesting and it is uncontrolled but falls under the analog act. www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethocybin#Effects
4-ho-det was invented by albert hoffman in 1958. It was called CZ-74 at that time. There have been quite a few studies in Germany on 4-ho-det and related substances in the 60s and early70's. Especially on the therapeutic use of it. But it is scheduled here.


4-ho-DET is said to be very visual and does not have as long of a duration, some also have said it has less euphoria and is even emotionaly cold. But others disagree and say it is very euphoric. they are two interesting uncontrolled tryptamines that could definetly use some looking into if anyone is interested.

i'm very fond of the dmt group because of the fact that dmt is produced in the body. has anyone ever heard of any potential health detriments associated with using tryptamines?

Actually it is theorized that the human body has endigenous DMT or tryptamine compounds but I do not think it has been proven.

it's a fact that dmt is a natural neurotransmitter for the pineal gland. google it

facts are only lies spoken by a dummy

Intruiging. That's why I love mushrooms in general, they do some crazy shit. The fact that it can grow a normally synthetic substance in nature is amazing.

So where does one even aquire the right tryptamines? Is it basically what the OP was asking how to make? I'd love to know as I plan to grow again for more experimental reasons such as this.

What I said before that you didn't get; I wasn't paying the most attention to the beginning of this thread but I gathered that he was either going to make DMT or grow mushrooms, which have some sort of DMT in them. I was pointing out that if he's yearning for this experience with DMT, he should go with DMT rather than mushrooms.

Of course, that was before I'd read any of this. It sounds like it could make for quite an excellent specimen.

facts are only lies spoken by a dummy

I think your thread's been jacked, so STFU or contribute.

"Several speculative and yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT, produced in the human brain, is involved in certain psychological and neurological states. As DMT is naturally produced in small amounts in the brains and other tissues of humans, and other mammals,[13] some believe it plays a role in promoting the visual effects of natural dreaming, and also near-death experiences and other mystical states. A biochemical mechanism for this was proposed by the medical researcher J. C. Callaway, who suggested in 1988 that DMT might be connected with visual dream phenomena, where brain DMT levels are periodically elevated to induce visual dreaming and possibly other natural states of mind.[14] A new theory proposed is that in addition to being involved in altered states of consciousness, endogenous DMT may be involved in the creation of normal waking states of consciousness. It is proposed that DMT and other endogenous hallucinogens mediate their neurological abilities by acting as neurotransmitters at a sub class of the trace amine receptors; a group of receptors found in the CNS where DMT and other hallucinogens have been shown to have activity. Wallach further proposes that in this way waking consciousness can be thought of as a controlled psychedelic experience. It is when the control of these systems becomes loosened and their behavior no longer correlates with the external world that the altered states arise. J.V. Wallach. [15]"

"Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases."
"Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule (ISBN 0-89281-927-8);[14] Strassman speculated that DMT is made in the pineal gland, largely because the necessary constituents (see methyltransferases) needed to make DMT are found in the pineal gland"


www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Speculations

Cite your source where endigenous dmt has actually been found. according to above only the ncessary constituents to produce dmt have been found.
Edit, lol it actually says it in the excerpt I posted my bad, my bad, no source necessary.

So where does one even aquire the right tryptamines? Is it basically what the OP was asking how to make? I'd love to know as I plan to grow again for more experimental reasons such as this.

.

Here dude, you may have missed this i posted on page 5 i believe and i posted some excerpts from it. It is very interesting.
"
Their paper cites a 10 step synthesis of 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT from ortho-vanillin. However, Alexander Shulgin has explained that it could be possible to cultivate 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT in psilocybin mushrooms by adding 5-MeO-DMT to the growing substrate of the fungus. Though this method has never been explored with 5-MeO-DMT, it has been used successfully for changing DET into 4-HO-DET and 4-PO-DET, both of which had never before been found in nature.[2]

In the case of DET the mushrooms yielded only 4-HO-DET or 4-PO-DET respectively, instead of psilocin (4-HO-DMT) and psilocybin (4-PO-DMT), suggesting that the presence of the extraneous N-dialkylated tryptamines competed for the enzymes in the fungus mycelium that would normally produce psilocin. This method thus not only produced new chemical compounds that had never previously been made synthetically, but also rendered the fungus itself completely legal in many countries because of its absence of psilocin or psilocybin, although in countries with stricter drug analogue laws such as the USA or Australia the novel tryptamines produced would also be illegal.

Theoretically, this method would 4-hydroxylate and 4-phosphoryloxylate any tryptamine added to the substrate, opening the possibility of synthesizing as yet undiscovered tryptamines.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Hydroxy-5-methoxydimethyltryptamine

Dummy, that blew my mind. I mean, what's trippier than life in itself and how we percieve it. I've been pondering the fact that our reality is perceived through our head and etc and this just adds to it.

Do you have any idea how exactly DMT affects us in our waking state?

Yeah, I got that one chronic. Just quoted the second because I have to read all the way through the thread before quoting anybody or posting. But the stuff I caught towards the beginning about buying the two plants and boiling them or whatever. That makes ayahuasca, right? Or does that make the actual 5-MeO-DMT?

Or am I just all over the fucking place?

Sorry about that double post, they all disappeared and now they reappeared. It won't let me edit it though, so if anyone can delete it...

ayahuasca isn't pure. it contains a bunch of alkaloids as well as mao inhibitors to make it orally active. i just found about this today, i'm going to do some more research of my own.

i read up on some psych0delicacies a few years back ....i think theere is a substance callled bufotanine -spelling is iffy-but it is similar to dmt or stp anywaysupposedly it is similar to a heavy salvia trip whereas you take a couple hits a la freebase style then leave your dis combobul8 ed ass in care of your team of babysitters for a good 10 or 15 minutes. it actually gives factual basis to the urban (or is it rural) myth that you can trip from licking a toads ass. really you extract the venom from the poison sac of a colorado river toad and you have to free base it so as not to poison oneself. i cannot say that i have tried it. i think i read it iin high times or tim learys book from the 90s cyber something. aolso terrance mckenna was searching for the soma herb of tribal lore and stumbled upon ayuasca in sudamericano in the rainforest. they said the native medicine men administered it by grinding it up in a small bowl into a powder and then used a long reed or blow gun type instrument to fire it very hard into the back of ones nose and it is said to last anywhere from a couple hours to multiple days, until the user has experienced the vision they are supposed to have. it is their peyote i guess. i dunno but i would like to try some if it can be found/ had/ or easily synthesized chemicallly. happy trips purveyors of that which man seldom purveys. dimple monkey twice the octopi for tango man.;)

It is called Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and apprently it does not sound enjoyable and usually when doing an extraction people tend to avoid plant species that contain it or they atleast avoid ones that contain larger amounts of it. It is similar in structure to dmt, psilocin and 5-meo-dmt.

"[edit] Fabing & Hawkins (1955)
In 1955, Fabing and Hawkins administered bufotenin intravenously at doses of up to 16 mg to prison inmates at Ohio State Penitentiary. [23] A troubling toxic blood circulation effect causing a purpling of the face was seen in these tests.

A subject given 1 mg reported “a tight feeling in the chest” and prickling “as if he had been jabbed by needles.” This was accompanied by a “fleeting sensation of pain in both thighs and a mild nausea.” [23]

Another subject given 2 mg reported “tightness in his throat”. He had tightness in the stomach, tingling in pretibial areas, and developed a purplish hue in the face indicating blood circulation problems. He vomited after 3 minutes. [23]

Another subject given 4 mg complained of “chest oppression” and that “a load is pressing down from above and my body feels heavy.” The subject also reported “numbness of the entire body” and “a pleasant Martini feeling-my body is taking charge of my mind”. The subject reported he saw red spots passing before his eyes and red-purple spots on the floor, and the floor seemed very close to his face. Within 2 minutes these visual effects were gone, and replaced by a yellow haze, as if he were looking through a lens filter. [23]

Fabing and Hawkins commented that bufotenin’s hallucinogenic effects were "reminiscent of LSD and mescaline but develop and disappear more quickly, indicating rapid central action and rapid degradation of the drug".


[edit] Isbell (1956)
In 1956, Dr. Harris S. Isbell at the Public Health Service Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky experimented with bufotenine as a snuff. He reported “no subjective or objective effects were observed after spraying with as much as 40 mg bufotenine”; however subjects who received 10-12 mg injected intramuscularly reported “elements of visual hallucinations consisting of a play of colors, lights, and patterns”.[4]"

That's an eyesore of a post, but yes. Bufo toads can be milked for this shit they shoot out from behind their eyes as a defense mechanism. I thought I remember reading you could just smoke it up after drying it out, but we could be talking about different species.

You could extract DMT from it, I'm not sure if it would follow the same extraction process as with plant material. The cost of buying one and keeping it alive can be steep though.

ayahuasca is made from Banisteriopsis caapi which contain harmala(an maoi) type alkaloids. And then a it contains a plantss with dmt in them. DMT usually has to be smoked to get any effects but the MAOI makes it so dmt can be absorbed. Because normally the dmt would jus be destroyed in the gut.
Basically though ayahuasca is a mix of plants containing harmala and plants containing dmt and then it is brewed into a drink.

I heard the brew really tastes horrible though

DMT extraction sounds fairly simple, and extracting more 5-MeO just depends on which plants you use to begin with.

Yes, usually people avoid the plants with bufo in them and they go for the ones with higher dmt. or they atleast choose species with lower bufo content. Bufo has to many unwanted side effects.