I would like to begin this thread by saying that in no way am I attempting to ensue an argument with my story. there is allot of information floating around about whether or not Aikido is effective. in some cases it's not, in some it is. think what ever you want.
last night a ROTC cadet was demonstrating a technique which he called the "inescapable wrist grab". According to this gentleman I would not be able to break free from his grip with all of my might, and he was right. With the ROTC cadet's arm wrapped around my arm, and holding tight to his other arm I felt helpless. I pushed and tugged, but all of my strength could not break free.
After a few minutes of me looking like a fish caught on a line, something happened which freed me from the grip. Muscle memory took over and I found myself performing morotetori kokyuho on the cadet. As I turned and off balanced uke, the grab became loose. as my body extended, the grab was broken, and the other man found himself lying not to uncomfortably on the ground. I helped him up and that was that.

Vids of the move that you did? CBF googling it.

here is a nice short video which shows the technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNH4-72qFjA&feature=related

Lol, I doubt that'll work in a real fight.

Thats why grapling arts don't work until you've practiced them for many many years.

I want to see this wrist grab you speak of.

As i figured, it was hard trying to find a video/picture of the aforementioned wrist grab, however, i can try and describe it. The man had two hands around one of my wrist in such a way that i was leaning forward with one arm extended. The man was in a wide legged horse stance, leaning forward a bit so that his weight was on my wrist, and his back was slightly towards me.
Our position's made it difficult to see the how his hands were arranged.

To those who have expressed doubt. Do you really believe that this technique is useless even if the person holding your wrist is totally commited to the attack?

Did he have it so your elbow was pointing up and the palm of your hand facing away from you or your arm straight behind you and your wrist bent up?

actually none of those. it was done so my arm was in front of me with my hand pointing forwards, in front of me.
if it helps, the grip is done while performing a knife disarm. as the aggressor stabs, the one performing the technique takes the hand of the hand coming at him, redirects the blade into the aggressors ribs. if anyone knows this type of knife disarm then maybe they may be able to better describe the "inescapable grip"

While I was banned, I had something useful to post in this thread. But now that I am unbanned, I forgot what it was.

Sorry.

There are a multitude of different wrist grabs available, I studied a few of them while doing classical jujitsu. They're not unescapable, nothing is. However, chances are you won't be able to escape if someone properly trained manages to grab your wrist. Its all based on technique, strength and weight. Theory behind wrist grabs is if your enemy attempts to use his strength or weight to escape it, the weight applied to it will break his wrist, usually ending up in you winning the fight. Therefor wrist grabs are illegal in most sports, however very efficient, if the technique is right, in street fights. However, to be able to grab someone's wrist while they're swinging at you requires precision, speed, and technique, to get all these correct you'll need a lot of training, and unless you have trained for a few years will be mostly useless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZxJPajMT8w

That video shows a wrist throw pretty nicely. Either the wrist breaks, or the guy goes to the ground. Of course they left out the hard part, actually getting that grip on your opponent's wrist.

I think grappling is a very useful skill, and like most fighting arts is best learned from practice at the real thing

i think grappling is a very useful skill, and like most fighting arts is best learned from practice at the real thing
bjj.

Im happy to see all the interesting responces. I wanted to add that i began taking Judo at my college. The class is really good and the teacher is well trained, yet down to earh. The class is great in the sence that the teacher shows the Jujitsu throws that are at the heart of the Judo throws we practise.
My Aikido training has helped me out alot in my Judo. Sensei Soviero taught me how to take a good fall, so now i recover quickly when thrown by a hip throw in Judo. In addition, all of my class mates and I have gone into the class with zero Judo experience, yet i am able to perform the most techniqal hip throw out of everyone. i feel that even though i did hip throws very rarely during my two years training in Aikido, that it helped contribute to my taking to Judo so effortlessly.
to those who have commented in favor of Brazillian Jujitsu. does any reference to the Japanese origins of the techniques you practise occur in the dojo?

to those who have commented in favor of Brazillian Jujitsu. does any reference to the Japanese origins of the techniques you practise occur in the dojo?
Lolwut?

Yea, my instructor refers to some of the moves as their Japanese names...if that's what you're asking.

Remember that Brazilian Jujitsu and Judo are SPORTS, and thus the moves and techniques are ALTERED so that they may be used without harming and safely. Say classical jujitsu uses throws and techniques which are used for only one purpose - win the fight, and thus kicks and punches remain etc.

Remember that Brazilian Jujitsu and Judo are SPORTS, and thus the moves and techniques are ALTERED so that they may be used without harming and safely. Say classical jujitsu uses throws and techniques which are used for only one purpose - win the fight, and thus kicks and punches remain etc.You don't know anything.

You don't know anything.

You're the one who doesn't know anything. Battle me with sources and words, not insults.

You're the one who doesn't know anything. Battle me with sources and words, not insults.
Tell that to my ex girlfriend of whom I kimura'd while having sex with her, lulz.

That's hot.

Lol @ bjj

and every other martial art.

ive always found that wenever sum1 puts me in a grip, kicking works. well, too. unless ur opponent is in full rage mode, then the pain taken from a few well placed and well delivered kicks will stop just about anything

Tell that to my ex girlfriend of whom I kimura'd while having sex with her, lulz.

I'll take it that you withdraw from the arguement.

I'll take it that you withdraw from the arguement.
Uhh?

How is that withdrawing? I'm not going to spend time copypasting info for you to not read.

EDIT: numjum wins.

just thought ide share this with you guys. two days ago i attended a Sogobujutsu demonstration, and it was by far the best martial arts demonstration i've ever seen. the place where these martial artist trained was called godaishin dojo AKA lehigh valley warrior arts.
according to the sensei, jujitsu is actually an offshoot of sogobujutsu, and from what i saw, it even looked superior to jujitsu.
well just something to look into.

You think being thrown or being choked out isn't going to do any harm IRL?

You think being thrown or being choked out isn't going to do any harm IRL?
Nawww, you have to back up your claims if you argue with this guy

You think being thrown or being choked out isn't going to do any harm IRL?

All I said many moves aren't allowed in sports because they're way to effective, ending the fight almost immediatly (which is very useful for a street fight). Not that their not going to do any harm. Besides, to do harm they have to be modified from the sports (legal) variants. A choke must be used till the opponent passes out, not taps out. And a throw will have to follow with something, or be thrown on the head for example.

Look here for example:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

Many many of those moves are very useful in combat, but left out of sports. A groin kick could save your life for example, even though its thought of as cowardish.

And of course a choke is very effective in a street fight, and a throw. However many throws and locks aren't allowed in sports, especially judo for example. I'm not aware of any chokes not allowed, so my arguement would be void for them, but still valid for many many other situations.

All I said many moves aren't allowed in sports because they're way to effective, ending the fight almost immediatly (which is very useful for a street fight). Not that their not going to do any harm. Besides, to do harm they have to be modified from the sports (legal) variants.

This is true, but the mount of modification many would have to do is not much.

A choke must be used till the opponent passes out, not taps out. And a throw will have to follow with something, or be thrown on the head for example.

People tap out when they're getting choked due to the short amount of time a blood choke takes to make people pass out, so making that change doesn't seem too hard.


Look here for example:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

Many many of those moves are very useful in combat, but left out of sports. A groin kick could save your life for example, even though its thought of as cowardish.

And many of these wouldn't take much training to use, I'm pretty sure a judoka or jitsu player could fishook or eye gouge.


And of course a choke is very effective in a street fight, and a throw. However many throws and locks aren't allowed in sports, especially judo for example. I'm not aware of any chokes not allowed, so my arguement would be void for them, but still valid for many many other situations.
While this is also true, to discount the ones that do remain as useless, is foolish.