I am so fuckin sick of the chase its pathetic. Why is it so hard to find someone who deals meth with integrity. That sounded funny. But seriously man, it aint like it use to be 10 years ago when everybody seemed to know at least one person who could get it. That was back in the bathtub crank days. Now, out here in Cali the mexicans have taken over whats left of the meth trade and Im sorry but they have fucked the whole thing up. You can count on the first thru the third deal being legit and wham. Suddenly, you're not gettin high anymore. Some dumbfuck's response might be "did ya clean out your pipe." Fuck you cocksucker mother fucker. No, but I cleaned out the barrel of my 44. Ive read some of the discussions on how to make it and fuck, that aint happenin. Sounds like you gotta be fuckin Einstein or have a masters in chemistry. Hard as hell to find anymore white people doin it or they are too paranoid you might be a cop. What I want is to know of some kind of test thatll tell me if the shit is good or not. I swear to god the shit they got today looks real, smokes real, comes back real, hovering thick smoke is real, the only problem is it dont get you high.

ok dirtyharry calm down.Judging from your manic state you don't need to be tweaking anyway.

Just quit buying the shit then. Waits for stupid noob to come in and say "bee safe, buy a test kit"

Waits for stupid noob to come in and say "bee safe, buy a test kit"

get with the times.

You could easily solve this by not being a dirty methhead.

you don't need to be tweaking anyway.
you dirty methhead.
?????

The way I see it, you have three options:

1. Find better dealers.
2. Stop using meth.
3. Murder/suicide.

Use a test kit (haha beat you sn)
Stop buying from dirty messicans?

http://www.securityandsafetysupply.com/department-supplies/drug-test-6.html

Buy large quantities and use these tests.

(haha beat you sn)

you're fuckin' gay.

It's not that hard to make.

but if you fuck up then gg.

Judging by your username you might not know a whole lot about tweaking anyway and I dont tweak. Cant find anything good enough to tweak on anyways.

What are homos like this doing in "better living through chemistry." Let me guess youre a 12 stepper in search of a sponsee

Judging by your username you might not know a whole lot about tweaking anyway and I dont tweak. Cant find anything good enough to tweak on anyways.

Well dont judge by someones username dumbshit. That was your first mistake.

pick up one of uncle festers books, and get to studying!

Let me guess youre a 12 stepper in search of a sponsee

I lol'd.

Are you one of those really smart nerds in highschool who wouldnt let people cheat off you and then smile and say. Well, you should have studied. If it aint that hard, then fucking speak it in a language every fuckin biker can understand and watch using the term biker so lightly. They are all that stands between us and the dirtball mexicans


RMETHAMPHETAMINE FAQ v1.0:
1. via Chloromethamphetamine notes
with Bromomethamphetamine extension.
2. via Iodomethamphetamine notes
3. P2P notes [none yet other than "reductively aminate"]
4. via D-Phenylalanine notes
[or DL-Phenylalanine]
5. via Amphetamine
6. Seperation of isomers of amphetamine and related
7. "Bunk" synthesises, and why they don't work
8. General information

(1) Via Chloromethamphetamine

Making it from ephedrine or pseudoephedrine is possible. The only difference
between methamphetamine and (pseudo)ephedrine is that damn alpha-hydroxy group.
Reacting your ephedrine with thionyl chloride replaes the OH with Cl to produce
N-methyl-alpha-chloroamphetamine as an intermediate. Hydrogenating this product
is easy: use lithium aluminum hydride, sodium borohydride, or even hydrogen gas
with nickel or platinum metal as a catalyst. The product of this step is
N-methylamphetamine and HCl. Evaporate off the water and you have methamphetamine
hydrochloride.

Another method:
React the (pseud)Ephedrine with PHOSPHORUS PENTACHLORIDE (maybe even the
trichloride would work!). This is another chlorinating agent. The byproduct is
phosphoric acid instead of messy sulphur compounds. In otherwords, LESS STINK!!!
Reduction is possible with standard LAH procedures, as per above.

A bromomethamphetamine side note, possibly applicable to the chloroamphetamine
methods with altered yields///////

> Would you be so kind as to e-mail me a detailed description of the
> brominated ephedrine method of synthesizing methamphetamine. Thanx!

Method, no. The idea I proposed was to prepare HBr acid [see elusis's file] in
aqueous solution, add Ephedrine base (or HBr?) and zinc bromide [or a small amount
of zinc to FORM zinc bromide] as catalyst, to form bromomethamphetamine. This
reaction would take place faster than the coresponding reaction with HCl.

note that HI + ZnI may very well proceed straight to methamphetamine given HI's
aptitude for attacking iodated hydrocarbons.

The bromomethamphetamine would be disolved in anhydrous ethyl ether, then
powdered magnesium would be added, hopefully forming the grignard. To
this water is added slowly to form methamphetamine and various magnesium
salts..

I've never seen it tried and the NH2+ may cause a problem with forming the
grignard. It's just an idea.

(2) Via Iodomethamphetamine

(pseud)Ephedrine is reduced with red phosphorus using iodine as a catalyst.

OK, remember the reagent for halide sub. of an alcohol?

It was always PCl3, PBr3, or PI3 right? Neat P(x)3 isn't usually used, right?

So, I imagine you would mix HI, red P, and the alcohol in a flask at first. Then
the P4 would change to PI3. (no, not by magic. do you remember this shit yet?)
The PI3 would reduce the alcohol to a halide by some mech. I forgot. The PI3 again
magically changes to H3PO3 and HI when heated. HI reduces the
alcohol-that-is-now-a-halide to a hydrocarbon.

SO... The reaction basically goes like this:

Phosphorus + Iodine ---> PI3

(pseud)Ephedrine + PI3 ---> Phosphoric acid + b-Iodo,n-methamphetamine

PI3 + water---> HI + H3PO3

b-Iodo,n-methamphetamine + HI ---> Methamphetamine + I2 (iodine)
(iodine is reused)

Another version of this synthesis involves reacting iodine with plain
old red phosphorus, adding the ephedrine, then continuing to add red P
to keep the reduction going. This is the 'classic biker meth' recipe,
and without a good acid/base extraction thru a nonpolar solvent, a good
way to end up a hyperthyroid mess with the nickname 'goiter joe']. Since,
no doubt, the classic "biker methheads" eyeballed amounts for their
reagents [just kidding guys], and evaluated production not with scales and
chromatographs but with HONEST TO GOD FIELD TESTING [heh heh] of the
compound, there were no amounts listed. Figure it out yerself, as directed
to in the below listing:

This whole thread has been extremely educational to an old P2P chemHacker
like POPEYE, but I think y'all need to know that the HI reduction of
ephedrine doesn't involve a chlorephedrine intermediate or hydrogenation w/d/C,
Raney Nickel, and especially not LAH. Now I could be fullaShit, BUT, it
seems that at LEAST two syntheses are being confused here.

The original question was:

> Will hydroiodic acid really reduce ephedrine to methamphetamine via
> beta-iodo-methamphetamine?

POPEYE doesn't know shit about anything following the 'via' in that
sentence, but he does know that L-ephedrine is refluxed with hydriodic acid
in the presence of a RED PHOSPHOROUS catalyst for 32 hours to yield crank
oil, which is seperated from the reaction goop with 10% LYE and a sep
funnel, then acidified, dehydrated, and cooled in an ether-acetone
solution to yield Crystal.. much simpler than Yall are makin' it out to be.
This is the famous one-step biker crank and it's killer when done as an
artform...considerably more potent than a P2P route and absoLUTEly the reason
that L-ephedrine has become scarce in some sectors of the occupied
territories formerly known as the USA.

Sorry I couldn't supply references or proportions for this synth....It
should be easy to Mole out from what I've said, and I absolutely 100% can
guarantee that this is not bullshit.

Always watch out for beta-halogenated byproduct - these unreacted components
are supposedly quite bad for you. A LAH wash of the finished compound should
remove them nicely. Barring that, a quick reflux in 1M NaOH(aq) will probably
convert any beta-halogenated product back into ephedrine - strive to use
enough phosphorus to complete the original reaction.

YET ANOTHER METHOD:

Alcohols can be converted to their halides simply by mixing with the acid.
Tert-butanol reacts SO FAST that merely mixing it with HCl results in
tert-butyl-chloride in a few minutes! In general, the rules for this are that
tertiary alcohols react fastest, and primary alcohols slowest. N-butanol + HCl
reacts so slowly that Zinc Chloride must be used as a catalyst. Another
thing to remember is that HI reacts fastest, HCl slowest.

With this in mind, recall that Hx halogen acids can be synthesized from
their salts and a stronger acid. Sulphuric acid is suitable for HCl and
sometimes HBr, but will oxidize HI back to I2. Phosphoric acid however will
not, and can be used with solid KI or NaI to make HI gas. The ideal
reaction to use for this method would probably involve zinc iodide
and hydroiodic acid. Zinc iodide can be prepared by simply mixing zinc and
iodine in a suitable setting and heating (dangerous enough - exothermic rxn).
Make enough zinc iodide and you can use it...

Zinc Iodide + Phosphoric acid ---> Zinc Phosphate + HI (gas)

ZnI + HI + Ephedrine ---> b-iodomethamphetamine + H2O

HI + b-iodomethamphetamine ---> methamphetamine

A suggested synthesis would involve leaving the HI + Ephedrine over ZnI
for a LONG TIME [two days?], perhaps even with heating? As with
all proposed synthesises, try it first, find out, and use your intuition
to think of an improvement, try that, see if it works better or worse, etc.

(3) P2P Notes...........................DejaNews Document
6921.73591.:dnserver.db95q3: (p10

(4) Via D,L-Phenylalanine

A surprisingly simple synthesis is possible from the amino acid
phenylalanine, which is available at health food stores for about $14 for
100 tablets. Phenylalanine is 2-amino-3-phenylpropanoic acid, which is
more or less amphetamine with a COOH where the CH3 should be at the end of
the chain. Thionyl chloride will replace the OH with a Cl, which falls off
and is replaced by H when you give it lithium aluminum hydride, sodium
borohydride, or hydrogen gas and nickel/platinum. If you use hydrogen and
metal for that step, you'll have to reduce the carbonyl group with one of
the hydrides, so best save time + effort and use them and do both
reductions at once. When that carbonyl is reduced, you now have
amphetamine. Go back up to that first one I mentioned for upgrading
amphetamine into methamphetamine. (and end up with a racemic mixture - that
is to say dl-amphetamine or dl-methamphetamine - the latter being similar
to 50% d-meth from ephedrine and 50% l-meth from a vicks inhaler!]
[BY THE WAY: If you use the all-to-common L-Phenylalanine, you'll get
l-amphetamine! Use "DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA)" if you want to use this
procedure]

do coke instead.... Meth is for rednecks. I've done both and personally meth always feels dirty to me, while coke is blissfully numb and euphoric. Which is a lot better IMO

Why is it so hard to find someone who deals meth with integrity.
You answered your own question.

If you really can't "decipher" all the things in a P2P reaction, you might as well find another dealer. It really isn't rocket science if you read up and try to understand what you're reading. Maybe some of those dirty mexicans can hook you up with some pfed, eh? That's even easier.

get better shit

The worst thing in the entire world is getting all amped up to get high as fuck and a shitload of dope, and then some bullshit comes up(like the contents of this thread)..

I'm in the same situation as you, but I can get good dope for a standard price.

So, I am interested in synthesis too.

I found a forum that helps a lot(WD), but I'm nowhere near experimentation yet...

Where does one obtain thionyl chloride ??????

Agreed

in reference to the "1) Via Chloromethamphetamine"

Do you just react pseudoephedrine with PHOSPHORUS PENTACHLORIDE and then add lithium aluminum hydride? Where do u get info on the proportions used???

This forum bashes meth users while they pop their Adderals. Great logic behind that. Meth is the current "scourge" while using opiates and cocaine is somewhat acceptable, and I think that's funny shit. Saying you've done heroin or blow doesn't get the response that saying "I smoke meth" does. Hell, I think "I smoke crack" is more acceptable.

Shit, my friend knew I was shooting opiates and he didn't think much of it, he just accepted it as a part of my life and a part of me (good friend btw, doesn't use and doesn't judge), but one day I told my friend I took Dexedrine and he asked what that was. I told him.."It's dexamphetamine, speed. It's like a weaker form of meth." "YOU DID METH?!?!?!?!"

I told a girl that I snorted cocaine mixed with meth and she freaked the fuck out on me with a "YOU DID METH?? YOU'RE STUPID!"

Why is it so hard to find someone who deals meth with integrity.

that make me lol hard.

Ive read some of the discussions on how to make it and fuck, that aint happenin. Sounds like you gotta be fuckin Einstein or have a masters in chemistry.

umm.. no it's not? if shithead tweakheads, can make it, you can make it! it's just ya don't want to go via the p2p route.

the route for you is the RP/I/EPH reduction.
do a search for it. it's about a simple as you can get: add the three ingredients (in their correct ratios, of course), a lil water, and reflux for a set amount of time on a hotplate (with a condenser, you'd be using a balloon). completely otc as well. there's a reason for the country's nationwide meth epidemic ya know!

just for the love of god, clean the shit before you reflux it.

oh, also, don't go posting in LT asking for a detailed synth - they hate that kinda shit - just search for it.

This shit isn't worth taking my time for a real response. You want clean dope? Make your own. Stop being a whiny bitch. People rip you off because you LOOK easy to rip off. Don't look like a target.


Also guns help. People tend to fucking respect you when they see a pistol on your hip.

I think your fucked either way....nothing speedy thats man made is wat it used to be!!!
Just do wat I did and get addicted to opiates!! Hey you can at least tell if the pill your taking is wat you thought it was!!
Sorry man the same thing goes in Oklahoma...its all crap smokes good tastes good but its crap!!!
Its everywhere ok?
Takes sum pills.Drink sum Dxm and let it flow...:D

this
or get an IR/ NMR setup goin' on lol:p