Was wondering how hard it is to actually obtain chems for mdma synth. And how hard is the procedure for an college student with a mediocre background in chem? Do-able with a few months or research?

You'll find that the pre cursor chemicals are next to impossible to get.. At least they are here, especially with government control on them.. Stealing them from factories, getting them from corrupt pharmaceutical employees/crooked cops or anywhere on the "black market" is your best bet.

Keep in mind that these are just pre cursor chemicals and that still leaves the synthesis ahead of you, which isn't exactly child's play.

not happening

No, you will not ever be able to do it unless you major in chemistry and become a licensed chemist.

What does an MDMA synthesis acheive? Is it like a nuclear bomb? I have no idea what it does.

it achieves MDMA you fucking idiot

And MDMA is fun, we think you should have some fun too.
So why not synthetize some fun?

Some time in the unseen future I'll synth a batch of MDMA and MDA, or atleast I'll dream, about it.

wrong place.......post elsewhere

it achieves MDMA you fucking idiot

What do you expect with a username like Jonathon LOLLLZZZZDDDD!!! your dinners ready J o n a t h o n come get it while its hot.... ok Mom.... FUCKING CUNT

I have the book total synthesis II written by strike. If anyone remembers 'the Hive' before it was shut down was one of the most controveral sigts on mdma production because strikes book gave the average joe schmoe the know how into the underground production.

I looked it up and didn't find what MDMA was instantly, you fucking cunts. All you had to do was give me an answer, it's not like I was asking something that needed more than a one word answer. Douchebags in BI these days.

Soooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy Josephine :o

You seriously didn't know what MDMA was?

How often do you get out?

Uh, BLTC.

Uh, BLTC.

Ummmm, excuse me sir, NIMF is thatta way.
*points*

Is that possible that you can help me email the copy of the book to my email: wisnuwardana78@gmail.com. Thanks you...

Never mind the precursor chemicals, you're looking to spend bank on an efficient vacuum distiller...lots of money and lots of knowledge...good luck?

Is safrole oil the only precursor that's difficult to obtain? It really wouldn't be all that hard to make safrole oil (steam distillation of sassafras unless I'm much mistaken?), unless more crazy restricted precursors are involved I don't see why you couldn't do it.

Innit.

MDMA is pure ecstacy that's crystalized.

To trippy - you don't need Sassafras

To Jonathon, you won't synth MDMA, forget about it.

No, you will not ever be able to do it unless you major in chemistry and become a licensed chemist.

JoePedo didn't exactly get through college if i recall correctly... but the man is proof that with enough dedication you can teach anything to yourself....

Apparently Bright Star's MDMA synth on rhodium is viable but there are apparently easier ways... i looked through the synth, and everything is very carefully laid out....

but its easier said than done, and your still looking at probably needing about 1000 dollars in lab ware and chemicals.... with some of those precursors being harder to find than others..if it came down to it sassafras would not be a problem in this part of the world, it grows pretty commonly in the woods.... but there are easier places to get essential oils from even if it isnt as discrete....

Douchebags in BI these days.

You're 16 and you registered this year.

Actually safrass trees contain about 8-9% oil by weight and from reading its takes a very very long time to get a decent amount.

And money isn't a problem what-so-ever, i look at it as an investment. Plus :'m getting all my lab ware free from the second biggest medical school in the nation. Since i worked at the university for a few summers i become friends with lots of professors ;)

Getting chems and lab ware isn't a problem at all. The problem is the precursor safrole oil. Sassafras oil, ocotea cymbarum, pretty much everything is regulates making it next to impossible obtain. Does anyone have any suggestions?

calpolyhandle@yahoo.com

Get over MDMA, experiment with it's close relatives of which the precursors are easier to obtain..

Also lab tips

like what?

like what?

Here is where the few months of research comes in.

Go on, get crackin.

Actually safrass trees contain about 8-9% oil by weight

...have you ever stopped and thought about how much a full-grown sassafrass tree might, in its entirety, fucking weigh?!?!?!

Anyways, to answer your question...

Carbon - cheap and unwatched.
Oxygen - cheap and unwatched.
Hydrogen - cheap and unwatched.
Nitrogen - cheap and unwatched.

So as regards your original question, "really freakin' easy." All you have to do is figure out how to oxidize the s2 shell of a 3p2 configuration. Simple.

Can someone point me in the direction of a good step by step guide...like the one someone mentioned written by strike?

Ive been discussing this with a much older guy I know who used to do the chemistry back in the day when it was still legal and legit. Im trying to convince him to make a batch for me since I cant do anything with too much stims in it anymore. Hes kinda reluctant, but im gonna keep pushing the issue. Itd be nice to have some beans that werent a complete tweek-bomb.

CaspeR

Can someone point me in the direction of a good step by step guide...like the one someone mentioned written by strike?

Isomerize, oxidize, reduce the imine.

I was wondering when this was gonna get moved to LT.

Sounds like your brain dead to me...

I can't believe this sort of shit?

Fuck might as well:

Hai guyz I am L00king for a S0urce of MdP2p (lololol caps)? Any1 help?

Wtf is this shit?:o

This formula is exemplified for MDA (3,4-Methylenedioxy- phenylisopropylamine); substituting N-methyl formamide results in MDMA or N-methyl MDA (Ecstacy).

To a cooled mixture of 34 g 30% H2O2 and 150 g formic acid, add dropwise a solution of 32.4 g (0.2M) isosafrole in 120 ml acetone, (keep temperature below 30 degrees) Let stand twelve hours and evacuate in vacuum. Add 60 ml methanol and 369 g 15% sulfuric acid to the residue and heat on a water bath three hours. Cool, extract with ether or benzene and evaporate in vacuum the extract to give 20 g 3,4,-methylenedioxybenzylmethyl ketone.

Add 23 g of above ketone to 65 g formamide and heat at 190 degrees for five hours. Cool, add 100 ml H2o2, extract with benzene and evaporate in vacuum the extract. Add 8 ml methanol and 57 ml 15% HCL to residue, heat on water bath two hours and evaporate in vacuum (or basify with KOH and extract the oil with benzene and dry, evaporate in vacuum) to get 11.7 g MDA.

The above occurs as a yellowish brown oil; this is active orally, but somewhat inconvenient; to convert to powder (salt) form, reflux in Hydrochloric acid and evaporate.

Safrole, an allyl benzene, occurs naturally in oil of sassafras, about 70%. Can be extracted with simple distillation. It is con- verted to isosafrole (a propenyl benzene) by adding equal weight of KOH flakes and absolute ethanol and heating on steam bath or refluxing for 24 hours; dried and evaporated in vacuum or added with two time its volume in water and extracted with ether or methylene chloride and dried, evaporated in vacuum. Hexane is used for recrystalization.

Formamide and N-methyl formamide are closely watched by the DEA. Many people have been busted by small suppliers where it was easy to get; those are "sting" operations that tail the buyer home.

^How do you intend to reduce the imine (let alone the carbonyl)?

http://www.links.net/drugz/ex/synthesis.html

Not sure if you're trying to claim that as your own, but citing sources is usually a good practice.

I'm not a chemist, but he wanted a synthesis so I gave him one, Fuck a source

I'm not a chemist

Fuck a source


Clearly.

It's really sad that your nerdish witticisms will be the only assertiveness you'll achieve in your textbook life lol

No Fuck you. I know your trolling us, but still STFU, go choke on your father dick.

Relax, like I said, I wasn't even sure if you were trying to seem really smart or just helping him out. Theres no need to overreact.

he wanted a synthesis so I gave him one

The worst one, especially since errors were carried over from Psychedelic Chemistry and Chemical Abstracts.
See http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mdp2p.leuckart.txt

Go get a fucking clue.

*ahem*

...have you ever stopped and thought about how much a full-grown sassafrass tree might, in its entirety, fucking weigh?!?!?!

Anyways, to answer your question...

Carbon - cheap and unwatched.
Oxygen - cheap and unwatched.
Hydrogen - cheap and unwatched.
Nitrogen - cheap and unwatched.

So as regards your original question, "really freakin' easy." All you have to do is figure out how to oxidize the s2 shell of a 3p2 configuration. Simple.

oh electron shells fucking hell no.
would a sassafras tree produce safrole at young age say less that 5 years?

Seems to me that you might wish to obtain these chemicals in another country. Either use your credentials at the school to have a shady mexican chemist send them to you...

...or take a trip to get them. If you take a trip I advise buying in bulk.

Also how probable would it be for you to create some of the more illegal and complex compounds out of its legal base components (assuming you have the equip, time, place and knowledge to do so)?

Seems to me that you might wish to obtain these chemicals in another country. Either use your credentials at the school to have a shady mexican chemist send them to you...

...or take a trip to get them. If you take a trip I advise buying in bulk.
Yeah, transporting watched chemicals across international borders is something I always advise.

Also how probable would it be for you to create some of the more illegal and complex compounds out of its legal base components (assuming you have the equip, time, place and knowledge to do so)?

You've got a lot of reading to do.

...or take a trip to get them. If you take a trip I advise buying in bulk.



No bulk and eastern Europe.

nuff said.

Also how probable would it be for you to create some of the more illegal and complex compounds out of its legal base components (assuming you have the equip, time, place and knowledge to do so)?

Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Cleetus? Ain't no such thang as alchemy, boy!

No bulk and eastern Europe.

nuff said.

What's with u and eastern Europe? U think they don't watch precursors ? (Where ?!)

What's with u and eastern Europe? U think they don't watch precursors ? (Where ?!)

I hate commies

On serious note, if you do a little bit of searching you will understand why i insist on eastern europe.

Where? I don't know :p

I have some clues as to why u might be insisting, since I live in eastern Europe. Therefore I have some clues as to why you might be wrong to insist xD

Think of it how you want, add me on msn if you wish to discuss this further, not gonna waste space and time on something which i rather not go more in depth on public forums.

No harsh feelings

Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Cleetus? Ain't no such thang as alchemy, boy!

To quote JP,

Carbon - cheap and unwatched.
Oxygen - cheap and unwatched.
Hydrogen - cheap and unwatched.
Nitrogen - cheap and unwatched.

Ive been discussing this with a much older guy I know who used to do the chemistry back in the day when it was still legal and legit. Im trying to convince him to make a batch for me since I cant do anything with too much stims in it anymore. Hes kinda reluctant, but im gonna keep pushing the issue.
CaspeR

Fuk I hate it when someone does that.
OK he might be able to do it. But then if He can, you can too.

Whats probably gonna happen is, if he even thinks of doing it , is that 'Word' will get around.
The swine are always listening hard for any mention of
"I know the guy that made this".
"This stuff is guaranteed 100%".
"I know some old guy who used to do it back in the day & hes gonna make it for me" post on the Internet.
or "whatever it takes".

They will chase it up & use any method of finding out where it came from, even "Oh no! Can they really do that?" Illegal methods.

If they get to you, then you are just gonna turn over & get buttfukked by the Swine, or Bubba.
Hes gonna get busted & loose everything, house, life, car, etc etc.

Its happened here before. Don't let it happen again.

I think the carbonyl of the formamide imine is dealt with by the peroxide, and the imine itself through treatment with acid. Could probably get better results using borohydride or something...

I think the carbonyl of the formamide imine is dealt with by the peroxide, and the imine itself through treatment with acid. Could probably get better results using borohydride or something...

Imine reductions with acids? Why haven't I heard of this?

Imine reductions with acids? Why haven't I heard of this?


Yeah I think I worded this rather poorly - this page (http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P131885.HTM) may shed some light.

Yeah I think I worded this rather poorly - this page (http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P131885.HTM) may shed some light.

Oh, so not just any acid. :(

well... more like not just any imine i think...

Although the Leuckart reaction can be used, and one could also use HCl/Zn for reductive amination purposes...

I'm not sure about HCl, I think you're referring to the Clemmensen; but after a bit of searching I may have found an equally good alternative (pdf):

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=7196&pid=83395

The Leuckart does not result in an imine. MDA comes from HCl hydrolysis of the N-formyl amine that is formed.

yes (http://aiche.confex.com/aiche/2008/techprogram/P131885.HTM)

I hate commies


they aren't communists and your not being clever by speaking tongue in cheek. Your not going to lead the police to bust open a hot lead because you posted on &t in some half assed X synth thread. If the FBI are watching, they are laughing.


Nigga please.

they aren't communists and your not being clever by speaking tongue in cheek. Your not going to lead the police to bust open a hot lead because you posted on &t in some half assed X synth thread. If the FBI are watching, they are laughing.


Nigga please.

Fuck off and do your research and do not ruin this thread.

Thank you:)