it seems like this relative generation (the last 20-30 years) has so many lonely men, what could explain this? Women's liberation and preference for career over people?

Nah, I don't think so. Maybe on the internet, but not in reality. The thing I see the most is lonely guys at around the 15-19 area. This is caused by girls being overdeveloped like they are at such a young age, that they don't find their own age really attractive, so they hook up with older guys.

Or maybe they just enjoy the power rush of being able to put their man into prison whenever they like.

Or maybe they just enjoy the power rush of being able to put their man into prison whenever they like.

I don't think it's quite that. Guys in the 15-19 range are pretty immature. They just want to get laid because it's the thing to do. I know that's how I was when I was that age. Didn't act on it. Just that's how we all are/were. Girls have 'grown up' as they think because of shows like The Hills and all those other shows and want older guys because they are 'better treating and more mature'.

It isn't that hard to be mature around 17-19, just stop being a self-loathing douche who thinks their problems don't happen to everyone.

And as for lonely men, we do have an entire generation of guys who had society tell them one thing their entire lives and their bodies tell them another. Society says don't drink, don't do drugs, no sex before marriage, girls must be "bought"with gifts instead of genuine appreciation for the female form and its innate beauty. See any romantic comedy/disney movie for an example. Eventually though, these guys grow up and realize that they can create their own moral system instead of being guided by what some corporate fuckwit wants them to think.

I don't think it's quite that. Guys in the 15-19 range are pretty immature. They just want to get laid because it's the thing to do. I know that's how I was when I was that age. Didn't act on it. Just that's how we all are/were. Girls have 'grown up' as they think because of shows like The Hills and all those other shows and want older guys because they are 'better treating and more mature'.

Then when girls turn 19 themselves they want to fuck anything that moves... funny how that works.

its quite simple really women have become more stuck up bitches in the past 20- 30. It what happens when they get too much freedom

im alone but not lonely. i'm only 20, i've been with 5 girls sexually since 17. i'm feelin pretty good about my 20's.

Im with this guy. This sounds spot on to me!

Its funny though.....the pendulum does swing the other way. The older girls get, they get more accepting of guys in general. They will lower their standards to an EXTREME low because they are tired of being sluts and looking for idiot boyfriends. No one wants to die alone, and im guessing its alot more scary for girls to die alone. Ive seen some SMOKING hot 35+ girls who date the ugliest/fattest/etc guy you can imagine. Beautiful women are living it up in young age, but once their appearance starts to fade, they get nervous.

Im with this guy. This sounds spot on to me!

Its funny though.....the pendulum does swing the other way. The older girls get, they get more accepting of guys in general. They will lower their standards to an EXTREME low because they are tired of being sluts and looking for idiot boyfriends. No one wants to die alone, and im guessing its alot more scary for girls to die alone. Ive seen some SMOKING hot 35+ girls who date the ugliest/fattest/etc guy you can imagine. Beautiful women are living it up in young age, but once their appearance starts to fade, they get nervous.

Yep, their looks start to fade, and they become really desperate trying to find a guy to marry them, which in turn makes every guy run from them.

With guys it's completely opposite - when you're young, you'd sleep with pretty much anything. But as you grow into your 30s, and you know that you can get any girl you like, you become a lot pickier.

That's why I think that girls should marry young, and guys should marry when they're older. That's when they both can make the best pick.

Women's liberation and preference for career over people?

This could account for some of the lonely men. Perhaps men who are less outgoing and more introverted are finding it difficult now that more women are assertive and self-confident, especially now that women are performing better in academics and are advancing in (certain) careers very rapidly. They might be intimidated by these women who in past generations were taught to be submissive and "proper." Just a theory.. I also wonder if it's even true that there are more lonely men out there..

This could account for some of the lonely men. Perhaps men who are less outgoing and more introverted are finding it difficult now that more women are assertive and self-confident, especially now that women are performing better in academics and are advancing in (certain) careers very rapidly. They might be intimidated by these women who in past generations were taught to be submissive and "proper." Just a theory.. I also wonder if it's even true that there are more lonely men out there..

Another reason is probably the availability of porn these days.

Back in the day, when porn was scarce, a guy would settle for any ol' girl - since it would be better than fapping over a picture you've been fapping over for the last 5 years.

Nowadays, everyone's standards are higher, since masturbation has become more pleasurable.

Again, just a theory. It's probably all the above, combined. Or, as vermonter said, maybe it's not even true.

Maybe you should climb the bell tower, charles whitman style.

cuz women is bitches

im alone but not lonely.

Same. I quite like being alone. Sometime, it will get you down, but that will pass in a few hours.

15-19? Thats when all the fucking around begins and shit is all up in the air. Try 19-24 area. Alot of fucking girls are just going down their list trying to find their quote "perfect" guy. If you can even show one trait of that "guy" the door will be open for you. I watched several girls, mainstream females(not fucking totsean, emo, goth, fucked up bitches etc.) try going out with several different guys and none of their shit lasted more than 2-4 weeks. Its like they have a 90% or above passing grade.

A descent portion of girls i see are single as well. Alot of guys cant pass the test with women now a days therefore they dont even make it to a 1st date or as said above past a few weeks with them. Usually the only couples I see that last are ones that have been already going out for several years already.....

I sat next to a group of kids like 5-6 guys with my friend the other day at lunch(like a cafeteria), and I listened to their rambling about some girls and it was real sad. All i could do is thank god for what experience I had over these kids. Some guys are fucking totally clueless as what to women want and others just get by on doin their routines.

Yep, their looks start to fade, and they become really desperate trying to find a guy to marry them, which in turn makes every guy run from them.

With guys it's completely opposite - when you're young, you'd sleep with pretty much anything. But as you grow into your 30s, and you know that you can get any girl you like, you become a lot pickier.

That's why I think that girls should marry young, and guys should marry when they're older. That's when they both can make the best pick.

I agree with this... in the past two years my physical appearance has changed a lot, partially simply due to getting older, also to working out. Now in my early 20's, I look a lot older than I did just a few years ago, and when I go out I find I can pick up girls of all ages... and both groups of women seem to fit the stereotypes. The women in their 30's are self-conscious about their physical beauty fading, and the younger girls are simply attracted to guys who they view as a status-enhancement... however a person of my age typically does not have a high status, so picking up the milfs I find is much easier, for better or for worse.

I blame the women's liberation movement. Loyalty and monogamy don't mean shit anymore, we're back to harems of 10 women sleeping with one guy.

The women's "liberation" driven war on boys, perpetrated by clueless women and weak, stupid, corruptible men in positions of power in the media and in politics are almost entirely to blame. And not only for the failing relations between men and women, no. Feminism is directly or indirectly responsible for almost every single problem that has plagued western society in the last 50 years.

15-19? Thats when all the fucking around begins and shit is all up in the air. Try 19-24 area. Alot of fucking girls are just going down their list trying to find their quote "perfect" guy. If you can even show one trait of that "guy" the door will be open for you. I watched several girls, mainstream females(not fucking totsean, emo, goth, fucked up bitches etc.) try going out with several different guys and none of their shit lasted more than 2-4 weeks. Its like they have a 90% or above passing grade.

A descent portion of girls i see are single as well. Alot of guys cant pass the test with women now a days therefore they dont even make it to a 1st date or as said above past a few weeks with them. Usually the only couples I see that last are ones that have been already going out for several years already.....

I sat next to a group of kids like 5-6 guys with my friend the other day at lunch(like a cafeteria), and I listened to their rambling about some girls and it was real sad. All i could do is thank god for what experience I had over these kids. Some guys are fucking totally clueless as what to women want and others just get by on doin their routines.

Well, I don't feel particularily threatened by that. I'm mature, interesting and multifaceted enough that I can't really see it being a problem... Maybe some guys just need to do some growing up in order to "make the grade"?