Why Believe in Christianity over all other religions?

[medicforlife]

Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths, because only in Christianity is there accurate fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels) so we can trust what was originally written. Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. If follows that if it is all true about what Jesus said and did, then all other religions are false because Jesus said that He alone was the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6). It could not be that Jesus is the only way and truth and other religions also be the truth.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths, because only in Christianity is there accurate fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels) so we can trust what was originally written. Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. If follows that if it is all true about what Jesus said and did, then all other religions are false because Jesus said that He alone was the way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6). It could not be that Jesus is the only way and truth and other religions also be the truth.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options.

Mormonism is a branch of Christianity, faggot.

*Reply reserved for future puntage*

[medicforlife]

I'm not a faggot as you say. Obviously you cannot have a converstation without casting insults. So here is one for you: You are a pitiful, mentally backward Neanderthal who suffers from a severe vitamin deficiency that has obviously retarded your intellectual development.

Now for real, I'm just kidding you. Help me understand why Mormanism is a branch of Christianity when the teachings of the Mormans contradict the Bible?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Now for real, I'm just kidding you. Help me understand why Mormanism is a branch of Christianity when the teachings of the Mormans contradict the Bible?

The Bible itself contradicts itself many a time. Mormonism draws off the teachings of the Bible, albeit not very well.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels) so we can trust what was originally written.

Prove it. You have nobody to verify that they were accurate - to an extreme or otherwise.

Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the way the truth and the life (John 14:6).

You have proof that there was a guy named Jesus, that's all.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options.

Option number 3 is that all of them are wrong. Jesus being real is irrelevant to whether Jesus had divine powers or was the voice of god.

[Azure]

[quote=medicforlife;10609238] Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels) so we can trust what was originally written.
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It's been verified the Bible was edited in the 400's? How is that an accurate eyewitness account?

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Azure

Mormonism draws off the teachings of the Bible, albeit not very well.

You are correct that Mormons frequently misrepresent scripture and take verses out of context to make it say what they want. Those who do not know what the Bible really teaches will easily be fooled. For example, when the Bible says that there are no other gods besides God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), Mormons quickly add "of this world." That means that there really are other gods out there and that the Bible is talking only about this world and not about others. They often quote 1 Cor. 8:5-6 which mentions the existence of other gods. But when doing this, they fail to read exactly what it says, that there are "so-called gods." In other words, they are called gods, but really are not gods. Paul was speaking about false gods, not the true and living God.

Do you want to trust Morman teaching when even you admit that they do not draw off the teachings of the Bible very well? Just curious?

btw...here are some other areas of concern that do not follow the Bible.

The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, p. 635. They teach there was an apostasy and the true church ceased to exist on earth.
There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.
There is a mother god, Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.
God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.

[medicforlife]

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It's been verified the Bible was edited in the 400's? How is that an accurate eyewitness account?[/quote]


Who edited it, what was edited and who verified that the Bible was edited? Just saying so, does not mean that it happened.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

/QUOTE]

It's been verified the Bible was edited in the 400's? How is that an accurate eyewitness account?

Who edited it, what was edited and who verified that the Bible was edited? Just saying so, does not mean that it happened. [/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Prove it. You have nobody to verify that they were accurate - to an extreme or otherwise.



You have proof that there was a guy named Jesus, that's all.



Option number 3 is that all of them are wrong. Jesus being real is irrelevant to whether Jesus had divine powers or was the voice of god.

There is a lot of info to put into a post like this. Following is a list of extra-biblical (outside of the Bible) references of biblical events, places, etc. The list is not exhaustive but is very representative of what is available. More information is available regarding manuscipts that I have not put in this post.

Flavius Josephus (AD 37?-101?, a Jewish historian) mentions John the Baptist and Herod - Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 5, par.

Flavius Josephus (AD 37?-101?) mentions Jesus - Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3, par. 3.

Flavius Josephus (AD 37?-101?) mentions James, the brother of Jesus - Antiquities, Book 20, ch. 9.

Flavius Josephus (AD 37?-101?) mentions Ananias the High Priest who was mentioned in Acts 23:2

Tacitus (A.D. c.55-A.D. c.117, Roman historian) mentions "Christus" who is Jesus - Annals 15.44

Pliny the Younger mentioned Christ. Pliny was governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. Pliny wrote ten books. The tenth around AD 112.

The Talmud
"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!"

Lucian (circa 120-after 180) mentions Jesus. Greek writer and rhetorician.

You will have to read these for yourself. I can't quote all of them here.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Azure

Who edited it, what was edited and who verified that the Bible was edited? Just saying so, does not mean that it happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea[/quote]

I'm familiar with the Council of Nicaea. That was a time when the scripture was recogonized by the church, not written or rewritten and not edited. Again, If that were the case, what was edited. The link you provided does not provided that information. Thanks!

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Graemy

I was talking about this. You quoted from the bible to prove that claims made in the bible were true. Your outside sources only support that the people existed, not what actually happened in the bible. You can use all the sources in the world, but there are limits to how and what they can prove. As an example, there is no archeological evidence for any of these miracles.

OK...I follow you. I'm believing what the eyewitnesses said as recorded in the Bible.

[Graemy]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

OK...I follow you. I'm believing what the eyewitnesses said as recorded in the Bible.

OK, that's fine. That is what makes it a religion. Buddhist sutras have tons of eyewitness accounts too, it's just that you don't believe they are true, and as a result, you probably wouldn't accept them as reputable sources.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Graemy

OK, that's fine. That is what makes it a religion. Buddhist sutras have tons of eyewitness accounts too, it's just that you don't believe they are true, and as a result, you probably wouldn't accept them as reputable sources.

What eyewitness accounts are you refering too? I have not read any and cannot say whether they are true or not.

[Graemy]

Pretty much eye witness accounts of the Buddha's teachings and I think a miracle or two if I remember correctly. The Diamond Sutra in particular is said to be a conversation of the Buddha. For reference, under the society tab to the left, you can find religious texts transcribed to text files here on totse. The point here is that it doesn't matter. I could write down my eye witness account of a psychic, it doesn't make it automatically true. Belief in some one's words doesn't make them true. You have to trust that they aren't lying, or that their perception of the events is correct.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Graemy

Pretty much eye witness accounts of the Buddha's teachings and I think a miracle or two if I remember correctly.


The Diamond Sutra in particular is said to be a conversation of the Buddha. For reference, under the society tab to the left, you can find religious texts transcribed to text files here on totse.


The point here is that it doesn't matter. I could write down my eye witness account of a psychic, it doesn't make it automatically true. Belief in some one's words doesn't make them true. You have to trust that they aren't lying, or that their perception of the events is correct.

What miracles are you thinking of and who were the witness? I will check out the tab you mentioned - Thanks!


What is wrong with relying on the eyewitness testimonies that are in the Bible? What evidence is there that what they said is a lie or incorrect? What did they have to gain by lying? In reality, all but one apostle was put to death for their belief and preaching of the mircles of Jesus Christ. Did they not really believe what they saw or did they die for what they thought could have been a lie? I doubt it!

[Graemy]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

What miracles are you thinking of and who were the witness? I will check out the tab you mentioned - Thanks!


What is wrong with relying on the eyewitness testimonies that are in the Bible? What evidence is there that what they said is a lie or incorrect? What did they have to gain by lying? In reality, all but one apostle was put to death for their belief and preaching of the mircles of Jesus Christ. Did they not really believe what they saw or did they die for what they thought could have been a lie? I doubt it!

I can't remember any of the miracles, if there were any. The witnesses were the first people he taught(similar to the apostles).

If you can rely on the eyewitnesses of the Bible, then you can rely on the eyewitnesses of every religion with them. This creates a contradiction since Christianity says other religions are false, so you would have to deny other eyewitnesses while selecting ones that are favorable to your argument.

I don't think that they would die for something they knew was a lie. Jesus could have really thought he was the son of god and might not have been. Maybe he thought he was something he wasn't, and others believed him. Son of god or not though, his message was good.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

... snipped lots of proof that these people existed...

Thanks for making my point for me. I don't doubt that these people existed at all. So did the Prophet Mohammad. It doesn't prove they did anything miraculous.

As for the "eyewitness accounts" of the Bible, catch a clue. The Bible isn't the equivalent of CNN - those "gospels" are simply the writings of people who knew and interacted with Jesus - writings that were reviewed, examined for acceptable content, and assembled on the decision of those that ultimately decided exactly which books would or would not constitute the Old and New Testaments.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Graemy

I can't remember any of the miracles, if there were any. The witnesses were the first people he taught(similar to the apostles).

If you can rely on the eyewitnesses of the Bible, then you can rely on the eyewitnesses of every religion with them. This creates a contradiction since Christianity says other religions are false, so you would have to deny other eyewitnesses while selecting ones that are favorable to your argument.

I don't think that they would die for something they knew was a lie. Jesus could have really thought he was the son of god and might not have been. Maybe he thought he was something he wasn't, and others believed him. Son of god or not though, his message was good.

If anyone has anything better to offer than the claims, the deeds, and the sacrifice of Christ then perhaps I would go that way. But since no one else has anything better to offer than Jesus and since no one else has fulfilled prophecies, performed miracles, raised people from the dead, risen from the dead, and promised to return for his people, than we are forced by reason and the evidence to continue to believe in Jesus, his teachings, and the truth that Christianity represents as is found in him.

Christianity is true and we are not deceived because Christianity is based on the person of Jesus who fulfilled prophecy, claimed to be God in flesh, performed many miracles, died, and physically rose from the dead, because it is consistent with reason, facts, and shows evidence of God's inspiration. And finally, all other religious systems are either unverifiable or irrational thereby disqualifying them as being true.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

If anyone has anything better to offer than the claims, the deeds, and the sacrifice of Christ then perhaps I would go that way. But since no one else has anything better to offer than Jesus and since no one else has fulfilled prophecies, performed miracles, raised people from the dead, risen from the dead, and promised to return for his people, than we are forced by reason and the evidence to continue to believe in Jesus, his teachings, and the truth that Christianity represents as is found in him.

Christianity is true and we are not deceived because Christianity is based on the person of Jesus who fulfilled prophecy, claimed to be God in flesh, performed many miracles, died, and physically rose from the dead, because it is consistent with reason, facts, and shows evidence of God's inspiration. And finally, all other religious systems are either unverifiable or irrational thereby disqualifying them as being true.

I like how you say "irrational and unverifiable" in the same post as talking about raising people from the dead and fulfilling prophecies, things supposedly done by dead people, witnessed by dead people, and completely unprovable by anyone today.

[medicforlife]

As for the "eyewitness accounts" of the Bible, catch a clue. The Bible isn't the equivalent of CNN

Thank goodness...The fact is that the Bible has not been rewritten. Take the New Testament, for example. The disciples of Jesus wrote the New Testament in Greek and though we do not have the original documents, we do have around 6,000 copies of the Greek manuscripts that were made very close to the time of the originals. These various manuscripts, or copies, agree with each other to almost 100 percent accuracy. Statistically, the New Testament is 99.5% textually pure. That means that there is only 1/2 of 1% of of all the copies that do not agree with each other perfectly. But, if you take that 1/2 of 1% and examine it, you find that the majority of the "problems" are nothing more than spelling errors and very minor word alterations. For example, instead of saying Jesus, a variation might be "Jesus Christ." So the actual amount of textual variation of any concern is extremely low.

those "gospels" are simply the writings of people who knew and interacted with Jesus - writings that were reviewed, examined for acceptable content, and assembled on the decision of those that ultimately decided exactly which books would or would not constitute the Old and New Testaments

You must be referring to the "lost books" of the Bible. From cults to the New Age, people make all sorts of claims about how the Bible is missing books, books that help justify what they hope to believe. Sometimes people claim that the Bible was edited to take out reincarnation, or the teaching of higher planes of existence, or different gods, or ancestor worship, or "at-one-ment" with nature.
The "lost books" were never lost. They were known by the Jews in Old Testament times and the Christians of the New Testament times and were never considered scripture. They weren't lost nor were they removed. They were never in the Bible in the first place.

The additional books were not included in the Bible for several reasons. They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship, they did not claim to be the Word of God; they contain unbiblical concepts such as prayer for the dead in 2 Macc. 12:45-46; or have some serious historical inaccuracies.

[Obbe]

Heres more reasons why Jesus was a magic mushroom.

[PirateJoe]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

Thanks for making my point for me. I don't doubt that these people existed at all. So did the Prophet Mohammad. It doesn't prove they did anything miraculous.

As for the "eyewitness accounts" of the Bible, catch a clue. The Bible isn't the equivalent of CNN - those "gospels" are simply the writings of people who knew and interacted with Jesus - writings that were reviewed, examined for acceptable content, and assembled on the decision of those that ultimately decided exactly which books would or would not constitute the Old and New Testaments.

Not even! The gospels were most likely written by non-eyewitnesses years after Jesus' death!

[Hexadecimal]

The only ones who will believe the scandalous absurdity that is genuine Christianity are those who are convicted in their soul to believe. The concept of one that is Holy Holy Holy; possessing as attributes infinite love expressed as a revelation of identity: Righteousness, Faith, Mercy, Wrath, Compassion, Jealousy, and on. The concept that this Holy Holy Holy One who declares to those who ask its name, "I AM!" as if the knowledge of its being is all we need to know...the very concept that this tremendously powerful and completely Holy entity would humble itself needlessly and manifest itself in a miraculously born avatar of virgin origin, bear on His shoulders all the iniquities of the world, be put to shame for our sake by the very people He set aside as His, spend three days in the grave, and then rise of His own power for forty days before ascending to His place on the Throne of Heaven. These concepts are not believable. They are impossible. The INSANE cannot even believe these things. No process of thought or effort of the human will or mind will make faith in these things manifest: We who have been called to Christ believe in Christ only because we have been called to believe.

How can I say you are a fool for not believing when every effort of MY OWN thought and will says Christ is fiction? I believe only because I am convicted of, and called to the belief that Christ is Lord; bearing my transgressions and dying for them, and rising so that He may be Lord of the Dead and Living.

I did NOT choose Christ. I was not raised with Christ. I was 19 when He called me to Him, and contrary to every effort of my own, I am His. He chose to save me. I did nothing to earn it, nothing worthy of it. His Grace, for reasons I will never understand, fell upon me. For reasons I will never understand, it may not have fallen on you. I don't know your heart nor your soul, however, so how can I declare whether or not you are called?

You fucking idiot there is is no eye witness documentation about Jesus being even real the bible was written by people like hundreds of years after Jesus's death Fuck Jesus and fuck Christianity. One of the only religions that I know off that have actually documentation about there prophet being real is Muslims the Koran was writing during Mohammad life. The Bible wasn't

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by CosmicZombie

You fucking idiot there is is no eye witness documentation about Jesus being even real the bible was written by people like hundreds of years after Jesus's death Fuck Jesus and fuck Christianity. One of the only religions that I know off that have actually documentation about there prophet being real is Muslims the Koran was writing during Mohammad life. The Bible wasn't

Your already incorrect in saying that I'm a " F...... idiot". I'm guessing the reason why you insult me is because you can't defend your postion. By the way, here is an insult for you:

Are you kidding you jello-headed-simpleton? Have you only recently started to think like a human being? I think not! Your research is atrocious. Your logic is pathetic. Your conclusions are vulgar and your character is only slightly better than a drunkard. Wait, I take that back. You have no character! You reek of banality and idiocy.

Now that is funny right there, I don't care who you are...

[pwntbypancakes]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

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It's been verified the Bible was edited in the 400's? How is that an accurate eyewitness account?

Who edited it, what was edited and who verified that the Bible was edited? Just saying so, does not mean that it happened. [/quote]

two words,

King James.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by pwntbypancakes

Who edited it, what was edited and who verified that the Bible was edited? Just saying so, does not mean that it happened.

two words,

King James.[/quote]

King James I of England commissioned an English translation of the Bible, he did not edit the Bible. For the next 400 years the King James Version, which was commissioned in 1604 and completed in 1611, became the most cherished Bible in the English speaking world. It's important to recognize that the translators themselves were the leading academicians of prestigious institutions like Oxford and Cambridge and Westminster.

[godfather89]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the way the truth and the life (John 14:6). The way, the truth, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6). It could not be that Jesus is the only way and truth and other religions also be the truth.

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options.

Your line of logic is limited.

Think about it, Jesus calls us his Brothers and Sisters. So we spiritually are of the same nature as he. Now keep this in mind, Jesus also says:

"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." - Matthew 12:50

So, do you think God (the one who is infinite) is so limited as to have but one religion do the work of God? No, everyone does the will of the father regardless if they are aware of it or not. Keep in mind Muhammad did the will of the father, So with Moses and Abraham. Those who seek Spirit will find God, that is the will of the father, to seek the spirit, spiritual evolution, not some static "whatever." Judaism has some truth to it, Christianity has truth to it, Islam has truth to it because they associate the Jewish Figures and Christ with their religion as well.

Also, Christianity is founded by Pagan and Jewish thought. So Hermeticism, The Western Mysteries, Greek Philosophy, Egyptian Spiritual thought all of these things play into Christianity. To say no, would mean you are ignorant and need to do more research. The Cross is not a Christian symbol it has been used since before the Advent of Christianity. Christ is not a real person, but a metaphor, the bible is a spiritual book and The Christos is a spiritual entity born into the physical by way of incarnation (or spiritual adoption) into Jesus of Nazareth.

[medicforlife]

Your line of logic is limited.

Think about it, Jesus calls us his Brothers and Sisters. So we spiritually are of the same nature as he.

We are not the same nature of Jesus. Phllipians 2: 5 states we are to have the same attitude as Jesus who being the very nature God. If we were spiritually the same nature as he, then we would already have the same attitude. But since we are to have the same attitude, this implies that we don’t have the same attitude. Thus, we do not have the same nature as Jesus. Furthermore, if we as humans have the same nature of Jesus, we would not be able to tell a lie. In Hebrews 6: 8 it states that God is unable to lie. If we had the same nature as Jesus we would not be able to lie. A person can’t violate his own nature, because that is who a person is. The Bible is clear that man has a sinful nature. Eph. 2:3 states “…gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts…” God does not have a sinful nature. God's nature and our nature are two different natures.

So, do you think God (the one who is infinite) is so limited as to have but one religion do the work of God?

No, I don’t believe God is so limited. However, God is not a God of confusion (1Cor. 14:33). Religions that contradict each other cannot be true. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god. Christianity teaches that there is only one God and you cannot become a god. Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time. Some religions teach that we reincarnate while others do not. Some teach there is a hell and others do not. They cannot all be true. If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God. Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods). Remember, truth does not contradict itself. If God exists, He will not institute mutually exclusive and contradictory belief systems in an attempt to get people to believe in Him. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that there can be an absolute spiritual truth and that not all systems can be true regardless of whether or not they claim to be true. There must be more than a mere claim.

Keep in mind Muhammad did the will of the father

When did Muhammad do the will of the father? Are your talking about Allah, who is not the same God of the Bible? Allah and the God of the Bible contradict each other so they cannot be the same.

Also, Christianity is founded by Pagan and Jewish thought. So Hermeticism, The Western Mysteries, Greek Philosophy, Egyptian Spiritual thought all of these things play into Christianity. To say no, would mean you are ignorant and need to do more research.

Please show me your research.

Christ is not a real person, but a metaphor, the bible is a spiritual book and The Christos is a spiritual entity born into the physical by way of incarnation (or spiritual adoption) into Jesus of Nazareth.

Wrong...this is an assertion. There are eyewitnesses to the person of Christ and non-biblical writtings that make reference to the person of Christ etc... What evidence do you have to make such an assertion? Just because you state "Christ is not a real person" does not make it so.

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Wrong...this is an assertion. There are eyewitnesses to the person of Christ and non-biblical writtings that make reference to the person of Christ etc... What evidence do you have to make such an assertion? Just because you state "Christ is not a real person" does not make it so.

There are not eyewitnesses to the person of Christ, that are alive. There are stories of other people (who may or may not have existed) who suggest they were eyewitnesses, and these exist in the bible.

Most all accounts of Jesus Christ come from the bible.

The bible cannot be sourced as evidence, any more than Harry Potter can be sourced as actual evidence of a hidden wizard school called Hogswarts.

The highly disputed Josephus was the only historian at the time who mentioned him by name, and has largely been considered a fraudulant entry into his records for quite some time now for numerous reasons.

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Just b/c you state Christ was a real person, does not make it so. Just b/c you wave the bible and tell us all he is real b/c it told you so, does not make it so.

Much like the boogeyman, bigfoot, santa claus, the tooth fairy, the loch ness monster, and the ghost of elvis, I will not believe in Jesus without actual evidence no matter how good it makes me feel to think I will live forever in paradise with all my dead relatives when I die (though that is one hell of a warm fuzzy) or no matter how frightened I become at the thought of my eternal soul burning forever in a hellish nightmare.

[medicforlife]

There are not eyewitnesses to the person of Christ, that are alive. There are stories of other people (who may or may not have existed) who suggest they were eyewitnesses, and these exist in the bible.

Agreed...there are no living eyewitnesses to the person of Christ today. I didn't mean to imply that there were. Never the less, these eyewitnesses did exist. These men have been written about in other ancient writings from people such as Polycarp, Ignatius & Clement of Rome. Polycarp & Ignatius were disciples of the Apostle Paul. Clement met with Paul and Luke in the city of Phillipi in AD 57.

Most all accounts of Jesus Christ come from the bible.

The bible cannot be sourced as evidence, any more than Harry Potter can be sourced as actual evidence of a hidden wizard school called Hogswarts

Why not? The Bible describes places, people, and events in various degrees of detail. It is essentially an historical account of the people of God throughout thousands of years. If you open to almost any page in the Bible you will find a name of a place and/or a person. Much of this can be verified from archaeology. Though archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is the inspired word of God, it has the ability to prove whether or not if some events and locations described therein are true or false. So far, however, there isn't a single archaeological discovery that disproves the Bible in any way.
Nevertheless, many used to think that the Bible had numerous historical errors in it such as Luke's account of Lysanias being the tetrarch of Abiline in about 27 AD (Luke 3:1). For years scholars used this "factual error" to prove Luke was wrong because it was common knowledge that Lysanias was not a tetrarch, but the ruler of Chalcis about 50 years earlier than what Luke described. But, an archaeological inscription was found that said Lysanias was the tetrarch in Abila near Damascus at the time that Luke said. It turns out that there had been two people named Lysanias and Luke had accurately recorded the facts accurately.
Also, the walls of Jericho have been found, destroyed just as the Bible says. Many critics doubted that Nazareth ever existed, yet archaeologists have found a first-century synagogue inscription at Caesarea proving it existed. Finds have verified Herod the Great and his son Herod Antipas. The remains of the Apostle Peter's house have been found at Capernaum. Bones with nail scars through the wrists and feet of people who had been crucified have been uncovered demonstrating the actuality of crucifixion. The High Priest Caiaphas' bones have been discovered in an ossuary (a box used to store bones).
There is, of course, a host of archaeological digs that corroborate biblical records such as Bethsaida, Bethany, Caesarea Philippi, Capernaum, Cyprus, Galatia, Philippi, Thessalonica, Berea, Athens, Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, etc.

The author of the Harry Potter series claims that her writtings are fictional. That in itself disqualifies the Harry Potter books as evidence of anything real.

Just b/c you state Christ was a real person, does not make it so. Just b/c you wave the bible and tell us all he is real b/c it told you so, does not make it so.

Much like the boogeyman, bigfoot, santa claus, the tooth fairy, the loch ness monster, and the ghost of elvis, I will not believe in Jesus without actual evidence no matter how good it makes me feel to think I will live forever in paradise with all my dead relatives when I die (though that is one hell of a warm fuzzy) or no matter how frightened I become at the thought of my eternal soul burning forever in a hellish nightmare.

True...you must look at the evidence. However, I can no more prove to you that God is real than you can prove that the universe is all that exists. Your demand of proof precludes acknowledgement of many types of evidence...because your presuppositions don't allow it.

The one thing I have come to realize is this; with all the evidence that is out there I have reasonable faith to believe that the God of the Bible is real etc... You on the other hand has to have blind faith to believe that God is not real.

[pwntbypancakes]

Originally Posted by medicforlife

When did Muhammad do the will of the father? Are your talking about Allah, who is not the same God of the Bible? Allah and the God of the Bible contradict each other so they cannot be the same.

ok now im certain you're an idiot.

Allah of the Quran and God of the Bible ARE THE SAME GOD
just like Protestants and Catholics have the same God but differ to as what the God preaches

islam judaism christianity are all known as the Abrahamic Religions, they have one God in common in all three, the god of Abraham Who does not exist, because if he did he would of united the religions a long time ago. if he was benevolent he would not want to see religious wars of all his people, if he was omnipotent he would have the power to stop the bickering. if he was omniscient he would of handed down his religion in the way as to not have all this division.

go back under your bridge, no one can be this stupid...Oh wait, bible-thumping christians...

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by pwntbypancakes

ok now im certain you're an idiot.

Allah of the Quran and God of the Bible ARE THE SAME GOD
just like Protestants and Catholics have the same God but differ to as what the God preaches

islam judaism christianity are all known as the Abrahamic Religions, they have one God in common in all three, the god of Abraham Who does not exist, because if he did he would of united the religions a long time ago. if he was benevolent he would not want to see religious wars of all his people, if he was omnipotent he would have the power to stop the bickering. if he was omniscient he would of handed down his religion in the way as to not have all this division.

go back under your bridge, no one can be this stupid...Oh wait, bible-thumping christians...

OK... pwntbypancakes you are obviously a little slow! Just calling me an idiot does not make me an idiot. So here is your chance to prove it. Explain to me why the God of the Bible and Allah are the same God. Your quote above has failed to explain why they are the same God. Then I will explain to you why they are different.

I will also address the Protestant/Catholic comment as well.

your stupid. there is no proof that jesus, or any of these other people even existed back then.

how can you prove that jesus was even a real person? much less the son of god. not to mention all the stories/traditions in the bible are rip-offs of previous religions.

if jesus was real, he was a jew...so fuck him

(edit) on second thought, jesus was probably a nigger, because he didn't know who his father was.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by ilovesawedoffpump

your stupid. there is no proof that jesus, or any of these other people even existed back then.

how can you prove that jesus was even a real person? much less the son of god. not to mention all the stories/traditions in the bible are rip-offs of previous religions.

if jesus was real, he was a jew...so fuck him

(edit) on second thought, jesus was probably a nigger, because he didn't know who his father was.

I'm curious to know if anyone has ever presented to you evidence for the existence of Jesus? If so, what was that evidence?


btw...I'm not stupid. However, since you hurled the first insult, I have an insult for you LOL: You are such an inane moron that even my slobbering lazy dog could give better arguments than what you’ve carelessly slopped onto your idiotic post. Aren't you embarrassed to breathe?

Originally Posted by medicforlife

I'm curious to know if anyone has ever presented to you evidence for the existence of Jesus? If so, what was that evidence?


btw...I'm not stupid. However, since you hurled the first insult, I have an insult for you LOL: You are such an inane moron that even my slobbering lazy dog could give better arguments than what you’ve carelessly slopped onto your idiotic post. Aren't you embarrassed to breathe?

you can believe whatever you like. what i meant is that you cant even prove someone existed that long ago, but you believe he performed miracles because it's in some old book? i see david blane do "miracles" not just read about him doing them, but i dont even believe he has any "powers" that i dont have myself. however, i would believe him to be the son of god if he claimed to be before i believed that someone who i dont even know existed was the son of god.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by ilovesawedoffpump

you can believe whatever you like. what i meant is that you cant even prove someone existed that long ago, but you believe he performed miracles because it's in some old book? i see david blane do "miracles" not just read about him doing them, but i dont even believe he has any "powers" that i dont have myself. however, i would believe him to be the son of god if he claimed to be before i believed that someone who i dont even know existed was the son of god.

There is evidence that obviously points toward the existance of Jesus that come from sources outside the bible as well. However, I can no more prove to you that Jesus is real than I can prove to you that I love my family. If you are convinced I don't love my family, no matter what I say or do will be dismissed by you as invalid. It is your presuppositions that are the problem.

There is a big difference between the "Acts of Illusion" that Blane has done v. the miracles of Jesus. The miracles happend to real people according to the eyewitness. Such as the blind can see and the lame can now walk etc... Blanes illusions did nothing for anyone other than provide entertainment. Jesus' miracles changed lives.

Originally Posted by medicforlife

Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options.

OR, they are all fake and composed of supernatural fake shit no one has seen, and their differences lie within the culture from which they were born.


That's more realistic.

[medicforlife]

Originally Posted by Stoned Snippy..

OR, they are all fake and composed of supernatural fake shit no one has seen, and their differences lie within the culture from which they were born.


That's more realistic.

This is a very small possibility, but the evidence indicate otherwise. Therefore, the qoute above is not very realistic.

[53v3N]

2009 years (based on guesstimation) divided by 15,000,000,000 years (more or less scientifically proven) = unmatched ignorance and pretentiousness.

[medicforlife]

divided by 15,000,000,000 years (more or less scientifically proven)

Yawn....really, you don't say. Can't you do better then making up numbers?