Treat her like shit, she obviously likes it.

Is the boyfriend really a dick, or are you actually a horny teenager only hearing one side of the story and taking any excuse to justify yourself?

Here's what I see, every time me and her, or her and anyone else hangout, without him, he'll come by, track her down and then forcefully make out with her, usually while she's in mid conversation with someone else. Obviously marking his territory but could wait for a better time.
He'll talk for hours without break about the most inane topics,and if you dare to raise a more interesting point he'll dismiss it and go back to how he did a certain level in Command and conquer 3, or about the resort he worked in once and lastley about organic foods. These are the only topics he ever talks about, and god he talks about them ad nauseum. Worst part is, he's usually talking out f his ass.
Today I had a conversation, well, he just talked to me, he was talking about how if someone where to put an oil refinery right in alberta to refine the oil sands there and then put a pipline from that refinery to both the east and western seaboard of canada, that person wold make billions of dollars.
I of course had to tell him that bisecting the second largest country in the world with a pipeline was a stupid idea, but of course he didn't think there would be a problem, he's just one of those people who lack any real world education and will just talk out of their ass for hours, kinda like this post.

If you show sexual interest instead helping her w/ homework, maybe you'll seem like less of a fag?

read the post next time retard.

Don't try to act like her boyfriend. There's a reason he's about to become her EX-boyfriend.

The friend zone is bullshit. It's made up and perpetuated by creepy, lonely guys who ask out their female friends who just got dumped. Plenty of good friendships develop into even better relationships.

As for your friend who also likes her... There's not much you can do. It's the girls choice who she dates. So don't stress over it. If it comes to a choice between her and your friend, pick the friend. Good friends are so much harder to find. (although if he's a really good friend he'll be cool with you dating her)

So, for now be friends with her. When she indicates she's ready to start dating again, then you can let her know you're interested.

Violet has a Very good point here.

There is WAY too many guys who ask their dumped females friends.
But friendship that develops into a relationship IS possible, altough its more the average guys that does that, and if a guy out of average come, she will the one she connects the most to, mentally, physically, sexually, and that will be the guy whose seeing is the event of the century.... while her average guy friend, she can see everyday? Catch my drift?
If things aren't some way, make it.

Here's what I see, every time me and her, or her and anyone else hangout, without him, he'll come by, track her down and then forcefully make out with her, usually while she's in mid conversation with someone else. Obviously marking his territory but could wait for a better time.
He'll talk for hours without break about the most inane topics,and if you dare to raise a more interesting point he'll dismiss it and go back to how he did a certain level in Command and conquer 3, or about the resort he worked in once and lastley about organic foods. These are the only topics he ever talks about, and god he talks about them ad nauseum. Worst part is, he's usually talking out f his ass.
Today I had a conversation, well, he just talked to me, he was talking about how if someone where to put an oil refinery right in alberta to refine the oil sands there and then put a pipline from that refinery to both the east and western seaboard of canada, that person wold make billions of dollars.
I of course had to tell him that bisecting the second largest country in the world with a pipeline was a stupid idea, but of course he didn't think there would be a problem, he's just one of those people who lack any real world education and will just talk out of their ass for hours, kinda like this post.

As for this one, I had that situation las night, altough it was a girl I just enjoyed talking to, she was mean the first times we met. Anyways, see, what the guy is doing, since he isn't able to hold a conversation that is interesting, he barges in, and make her put her attention to him. If he doesn't insult you, and if the girl truly prefers being focused with you, you can just tell him: "Dude, we're talking now, it's impolite to barge in." or
"Hey, we were actually talking about boys who barge in in conversations between two people, and trying to get the attention of one of them, because he doesn't have friends and is unable to participate actively, thanks for the example! Now, please, join or leave."
Don't forget to smile, smile like this is the best time of your life and you like challenges!
Smile like life is happy!

Or third, have a friend that will chat him while you close to the girl. Getting guys to chat about asexualized things is the best way for the girl to see them as less value.
Altough value is always the same and someone good will not have his drop, a guy like your friend will let himself in.

But don't forget, where he barges in physically, you must ALSO touch her and flirt, but ALSO you win where you are ABLE To SPEAK about INTERESTING things that will generate positive emotions toward you in HER, she will thus be attracted. Touch, generate emotions, flirt, and don't forget: Dating you is the event of the century, event of a lifetime.

Protect yourself when that time comes, too.

Get that Mindset! And get the girl!

Oh, and as for me... I'd rather let him get the attention of the chick, as I'm not really interested in closing her. She just came talk to me. And the most average guys we let free and in their negative actions, the more chicks become available to steal from them for he events of a lifetime. :D

read the post next time retard.

Yeah, see what I meant was to be different than his friend might have some clear results, I did indeed read the post.

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dude, that was actually the best advice I've ever heard, I'm still her friend in a way, and the worst part is, most of my humour is self depreciating, but with your message, I'm going to try and flip that around.
Whenever the boyfriend appears, I just tell him he;s an idiot, today, he comes up, and tries to fart on me.
I don't think that made him look so good.

Yup. Make him look stupid, but careful so the girl doesn't think you're a jerk.

haha, well I took your advice, and in one day, I'm looking like a pretty awesome guy.
The douche kept trying to do shit to piss me off esterday, and one of the worst best ones is he farted, while I was eating a pizza pocket, I proceeded to pull a knife on him and to explain how it was rude for someone to do that, and that manners were an integral part of human socialisation. He tried to brush it off as, well everyone does it, but I quickley told him that no one wafts it towards the nearest food source.
He ends up loking like a tool, I end up looking pretty darn level headed and awesome.
Also, talked to her friend last night, she thinks that this girl has a thing for me as well, and since she hates the boyfriend as much as I do she's going to be allot of help.

p.s. I found out that he's never made her come EVER, and that he's really, really, bad in the sac.

All right! This confirms what I say: I must be right! :D Wait till I go back full on pickup.

Make sure, man, to tell us the results. I got this topic in my computer's favs. :D

I'm learning a lot from your feedback. Keep going!

Don't forget, if you got the girl's friend on your side, then, it helps a lot, but DON'T HAVE HER AS A MESSENGER. You deal with the girl. Her job is to keep the bad people from seducing the girl (cockblocking them)!

This is heading toward a lay.

Don,t hesitate!
When it's time to kiss, kiss, time to fuck, fuck.

Some seductor said:

"When in doubt, ACT!"

...I proceeded to pull a knife on him...I end up looking pretty darn level headed...

o rly?

right, so today we're hanging out in this random girls room, and we're getting close, me and her under the covers, some body contact, and she's in her boxers, BUT her boyfriend is in the room...
not what Id call the eprfect situation. Also she mentioned that she did the same sort of thing with her best male friend back home, so that made me double step there. No matter though, I pretty much cuddled up to her while her boyfriend was there and wasn't rebuked, one step forward.

o rly?


ya rly.
I may have been waving around a weapon, but it was only to emphasize my distaste for his actions. He on the other hand tried to pass it off as good ol' normalcy, which is just not...cool.

Perfect. He lost her. He just doesn't know it yet. It also seems your buddy is out of the way, and I think you can figure the rest out on your own. :D

I'd say good luck. But you don't need luck.
You make your own luck.

I wouldn't say I've won quite yet, I still have a bit to go before me and her are having fun.

but, Ill keep an update going.

Nice, you give the lamest pep talks all over S&A... Anyone with a little fucking experience will realize that there is no script you can follow when approaching women or trying to take it to the next step.

That whole alpha/tomcat bullshit damn near induced vomiting. The majority of people on Totse and in the world in general need to realize this. Gain some fucking confidence in yourself, if a girl still turns you down, she is probably a shallow bitch and you don't want that anyways.

Your opinion is interesting. I'd like if you developped, Sevn ;) .
I think, I don't hear that vision of things often enough, and I would like you to develop on these points:

That whole alpha/tomcat bullshit damn near induced vomiting. The majority of people on Totse and in the world in general need to realize this. Gain some fucking confidence in yourself, if a girl still turns you down, she is probably a shallow bitch and you don't want that anyways.

But, let's say an AMAZING popular girl at school, intelligent, liked by everyone, turns you down, she is a shallow bitch? You are generalizing and judging people. If a girl turns you down, it's your fault and no one else, bad approaching, lack of confidence. Don't put the blame on other people. People who know how to approach women know that: Someone who turns you down is not necesseraly a bad person.


Well, just to say: I did not told him WHAT to do. I told him the good mind state to have: He got success.

He got success.

Let's not speak too fast.

SO, as we know, the girl and her guiy are not doing so well. The bad news is, I hear this all the time from her. Why is this bad, because it makes me an emotional tampon and we all know how that ends up.
Just had a conversastion with her, she said she was tired so I asked her why, turns out she was in a fight with boyfriend, yadda yadda yadda, and we get into this conversation about all his flaws and stuff, which normally I'd be glad to point out but it makes me look like a good friend trying to help her out instead of a guy who is better for her or something.
For now, I'm just going to let this slide, I could invest all my weak "game" into this one girl and face failure, or I could just go care free and not care who comes along and falls on my dick, I think I'm going to go with the latter.

Wow, sorry to hear that.
Anyway, you're very mature, and I'm pretty sure you learned a lot from the situation and me. Well I learned from you anyway.

One thing: You are not an emotional tampon. You are a sexualized man. Let another Friend Zone guy be the tampon, and stay friends with the girl. Having girls next to you gives you social proof (proof that you're socially cool lol).

And keep flirting around with her, it may come in handy (Hard to get, attractive to her, means other girls will find you attractive) try to to change friendship tough, and maybe become casual Fuck Friends.

Yeah, be fuck buddies

Yeah, be fuck buddies

I don't think that's going to happen either.

Nice girl, and this is her first relationship.
I mean, if she does wanna fuck, Id be more than down, but the chance of her doing that is very,very slim.

I'm better off, keeping my eye on her, and keeping my other eye open for any passing women that show the slightest interest.

Old, but...

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